June 2013 Commando crawlers vs Baby slugs

[SunnyL]

Hi all - the old thread was about to run out so I started a new one.

Little Miss was up to mischief last night. Thankfully it's DHs day off today so he took her into bed with him while I slept in the spare room. She is just so excitable when she wakes up at night. It can can 90 minutes to scrape her off the ceiling.

Sunbeam our routine is pretty much the same. Every other night I bath, change for bed, bf (DP said he'd start doing a bottle for bedtime, if he was ever home it might help!), she'll get dozy and I'll put her in cot. If she wakes, as I do this, I will hold her hand.

I will usually try and then leave so she settles, she'll cry, I'll wonder in and out so she knows I'm still about. She'll fall asleep. We did have a while where even after feeding at night she'd settle back down nicely and then about 6 come in for cuddles.

Things went a bit pear shaped and DP kept bringing her in to settle. Half when dsds are here as we don't want to wake them, and half because it was easy.

She took about an hour tonight, but she is still asleep now, and usually about an hour after she wakes to be resettled. So maybe it's a good sign...

How many times per night are babies waking now generally? My dd wakes between 1-3 times per night but usually settles well between feeds. I did try other methods other than boob but it just annoys her and took hours!

Oh and with the one's who wake are you dreaming of a full night sleep because I know I am!!

Karma just slapped me in the face! M coughed himself awake at 3am, didn't go back to sleep until well after 5am :( serves me right for talking about bedtime routines! Am v sleepy now, DH is currently on school run, I am lounging on sofa in PJs. But I'm going out in an hour so I need to sort myself out...in a minute...zzzzzz :o

I bloody bet M sleeps for 3 hours this morning while I'm out, too, the swine.

Still waking lots at night here well, feels like lots probably 3 times on a good night.
My newly found fantasies are a nice quiet home cooked meal, long quiet, uninterrupted bath, then a full nights sleep. Possibly stand more chance of winning the lottery

We did so well on holiday with 2-3 short feeds a night and straight back to sleep. Since we've been back sleep has been horrendous. Minimum every 2 hour wakeups, sometimes more often. I feed back to sleep because if I don't he just screams/cries (in a really angry way) and it would wake up DS1 and DH. Feel like we're in a bit of a catch 22 I think I just need to let him cry (with me next to him reassuring him - we still co-sleep - but without giving boob every time) but I can't because of waking everyone up. Grrr. Although I do think he's getting about 3 or 4 teeth at the same time so that might be a reason too.

Much sympathy for everyone struggling with sleep too. Big hugs! I remember it was similar with DS1 and that sorted itself out too eventually. I'd just soooo like a full night sleep.. or even just 5 hours in a row.. I'd feel like a different person.

Still no teeth here at 9 months! But sore gums. We can see the teeth through the gums at the front (rather than the top) which is a bit strange. DD used to put everything in her mouth months ago but has stopped now she's properly teething - it's as though it hurts her too much.

The ear pulling has now stopped which makes me wonder if DD did have ear ache or something similar (the doctor said she didn't have an ear infection but she seemed in quite a bit of pain).

DD is on three meals a day but no snacks yet. We make similar muffins but with broccoli, she has them for lunch sometimes.

Rue, no checks here but DD won't bang things together yet either.

DD is also a whizz on the ipad; with random swipes she has taught me how to do stuff on it that I never realised you can do! And that's without looking, with her arm behind her while she's feeding!

DD was always fed to sleep at night and we'd have to transfer her, but we now put her in the cot awake at night and she gets herself off to sleep (with the help of Ewan the dream sheep). We didn't do any training or anything: one day she woke while being transferred, but fell asleep in the cot pretty much straight away, which had never happened before. She's been able to do it ever since. She's sleeping through consistently at the moment too, with just a breastfeed before bed at around 7.30-8pm and one in the morning when she wakes at around 7.30-8am on average (varies each day, sometimes it's 6.30, sometimes after 9am). Until the next illness/growth spurt etc anyway - we have ups and downs. Hope it improves soon for everyone feeding in the night at the moment.

However, it's a different story in the day: she will still only nap on me after being fed to sleep and she wakes as soon as I try to transfer her! I've tried leaving her in the cot like we do at night but she is stubborn and will stay awake no matter how long I leave her. And if out in the pushchair, 95% of the time she will fight her tiredness and cry rather than fall asleep - she waits until we get home even if it means waiting hours! I've no idea why she can do it at night but not during the day; I can only guess that her bath routine might play a part.

Well I REALLY didn't make the most of having a night away from bubs to get some sleep. Ended up sitting with my friends til nearly midnight chatting. They have a 1 year old who has been sleeping through for 6 months now. Really bloomin jealous at that one .

We're in the 1-2 wakings a night camp and I'm getting a bit grumpy with it. Was thinking about doing sleep training as I know she can sleep through the night but it seems to be a bit controversial so not sure if it is the right thing.

Anyway I'm on a train back to Edinburgh from London and since its First Class I've got free unlimited wine. Things could get messy!

Glad to hear I'm not alone with the sleeping thing. Is it likely that he will at some point just start sleeping all night, or will we have to go cold turkey on the night feeds to get there? Pink, my fantasy is similar to yours but involves going off on my own to a nice hotel and locking myself in the room for 24 hours - room service, bubble bath, reading and sleep !!! What are the chances?? Our routine at night is: bath at 630, bottle in quiet dark room followed by short boob feed to get him to drop off. Asleep by 8, usually sleeps till about 12, another bf and back to sleep till around 3/4. This is the tricky one as it can be tough and long to get him back to sleep. He usually sleeps until 730 on the dot. I dream of a night where he goes 12-730 with no wakes. Can't believe some of you get 12 hours straight. Enjoy it. I'd feel a different person and would have no rows with DP!

This allusive sleeping through seems to be such a goal doesn't it? Virtually everyone from my antenatal group has multiple wakenings at night too.
DS used to sleep much better (and presumably will again one day) but has been averaging two wakes/feeds per night since Christmas (c1am & c4am). So my fantasy is a solid night's sleep for myself, probably away from everyone in a plush hotel, complete with room service bringing me lots of lovely food that I could eat uninterrupted (and, since it's fantasy eating, the food would be the currently illegal dairy-based treats...nom nom).

Tooth #4 cut through yesterday so we've suddenly doubled the tooth count in the last two weeks and it looks like there's more to come. I'm suddenly taking masses of photos; once these top teeth are more visible he's going to look much less baby-like and I think I might get a bit nostalgic!

Hope everyone's nights are ok

In terms of night wakings, E was down to 2 per night within 3-4 months, by about 6 months it waas consistently once per night. If she woke up I'd give her her dummy, then if she woke again I'd feed her. Once she got going with solid food (8 months) she started sleeping through from 6pm-6/7am. BUT, saying that the last 2 nights she's woken up with a leaking nappy and when she wakes up she screams pretty loudly so I've fed her to sleep so she doesn't wake up her brother.

On the other hand, DS, who slept through 12 hrs from 3 months is now the one that probably wakes up maybe once or twice a week, due to needing nose blowing, nappy changing, reassurance from bad dreams, coughing, etc etc etc. Plus we're battling with him waking up at 6 and stomping round his room/landing.

Now talking of sleep, I'm trying to debate how mean it would be to wake up E early from her nap so we can go to music & movement...

I spoke too soon, DD woke up in pain with her gums last night so we had to give her some teething gel. She seems much happier this morning.

We had a bad patch sleeping wise when we started weaning at 6 months - she kept pooing in the middle of the night, every night! But that stopped after a few weeks or so. My husband used to ask to go to bed early when he was a child (very unusual!) and DD seems to take after him in most ways.

Our HV said that they don't need feeds in the night at this age (that was a couple of months ago) - so night feeds are probably more out of habit now. Cold turkey is hard though - I asked about the napping in the day and was advised to put her in the cot and stay there with her until she falls asleep - it just doesn't happen though. Feeding her is the easiest solution and I'm just hoping she'll grow out of it (as my friends' babies did).

Isn't it odd that teething bothers them more at night? Anyway, think all the above just shows how individual our littlies are

Mini rant alert: Since ds was born, I can count on one hand the number of times each set of his grandparents have seen him. It mostly makes me sad - he's 9m today and a happy gem of a boy and they're missing all of this - but it also makes me a bit angry: until a few weeks ago we've been still struggling with reflux most nights and frankly it's been a bloody hard 8-9m, even though ds is a gem, and a bit of support wouldn't have gone amiss. I'm sure if we'd specifically asked for help when it was really tough then some would have come but it was all we could do to get through some days with a bit of sanity intact. Actually, now that I've written all this down, I think I probably feel more disappointed rather than angry.... Am I being unreasonable?

Mrs81 I completely sympathise, my mother
refuse to put dm!! has actually only seen dd on 1 occasion and my older daughter 3 times in 3 years. I have no advice as it really upsets me because I know I'm biased but both my girls are wonderful and she still chooses not to be a part of our lives. My dmil died just before I had dd1 and I miss her very much and I know she would have loved my girls and offered lots of support. Families are very strange things.

Mrs81 I feel exactly the same, we're totally alone here and it has been hard but it's DD I feel really sad for :( . One set live thousands of miles away at the moment which is a good enough reason but the other set only live a few hours away; they've only visited once together since DD was born 9 months ago (one has visited alone on another occasion) and we're a close family (from their point of view it's my fault for moving away to go to uni and staying here). It's always been us visiting them more than they visit us but I thought it would change when DD was born. I've had struggles too; the month or two when I had the abscess were horrendous, and some support would have been amazing. So I don't think you are being unreasonable.

Thanks both I'm glad (& sorry) it's not just me. I've been feeling very bleurgh about it today.

It doesn't usually get to me but I think it's just been a run of things that have made it more acute recently.

Thank you for understanding x

To be fair my ILs have done the opposite since Lil came along. We've seen them plenty. It's just a bit galling since they hadn't been up to see us for a year before she came along.

I like my PIL but they tend to lose their perspective when his sister is on the scene. His sister is a stupendously selfish cowbag and has his parents wrapped round her little finger. Sadly she lives 5 minutes from them and has made sure they cannot come visit DH except for small windows of opportunity because she gets so jealous.

Anyway moving on from them before I get wound up again. I've seen massive changes in Lil pants today. She's moving backwards across the floor and when I hold her up by her hands she's started taking wee steps. Last week none of this was happening. I think it will soon be 'Operation Babyproof'.

Sorry to hear about everyone's parent/in-law. I admit we are very grateful to have two sets of parents who are involved a lot without being too interfering. They've not exactly been over to help out with nights or anything like that but we've not really asked.

Sunny, you either have to babyproof or have quick reactions. E is obsessed with plugs/cables and shoes, both of which she wants to eat. Sadly babyproofing doesn't really help with that and this girl can move fast. Give her 10 seconds and she's made it from the safety of the lounge to the hall where she's merrily gnawing on her brothers muddy shoes.

I should have not said anything about sleeping through? 2 nights of nappy leaks and then last night she woke up at 3:30 am having learnt how to sit up in bed. Hoping she gets over that one quickly.

Well we had an absolutely appalling night, went to sleep as normal then woke screaming after 20 minutes. She would fall back to sleep so I would put her back down only to repeat the process again after 20 mins. Her longest stretch of sleep all night was 40 bloody minutes......I am shattered!

God, Madame, that's some night. Sounds like worst ever. We have sitting up in cot too, and STANDING in cot holding onto the bars!!! He only does the standing in daytime though; don't think he could do it wearing the sleeping bag...
Is there some kind of regression around 8-9 months? We seem to all be having rough nights.

Madame I hope you've been able to have a gentle day after such a grim night?

Sunbeam, I think I read something about a sleep regression round about now when I was reading about the 4m sleep regression (and then promptly blocked it from my mind!!). Sleep here, while not brilliant, is improved by teeth having actually cut through.

Thank goodness it's Friday. / / all round!

Oof Madam that's tough. early bed for you all tonight.

According to the Wonderweeks app we're in the middle of a couple of leaps. Signs that they are in a development leap is sleeplessness

I hope tonight is better madam. First full week of work/childcare coming to an end here. Oscar is full of cold and cough but slept 5 hours today so I am thinking I won't get much sleep again tonight, work will be interesting tomorrow !

Just passed him to OH so I could eat and poor boy was sick all over the floor. It stinks like grown up sick too. He does seem happier now though.

Hey everyone. Sorry I've not been on for a while.
Curly you are right on the sick starting to smell of grown up sick. It's horrible!
We're having interesting nights sleep too. Doesn't matter what time ds goes to sleep, he's still awake at 7am. Last night he came in our bed at 2.15. 3.30 the night before.
I'm exhausted as today he has decided he doesn't want to nap. Instead of 2x2hr naps we have had 2x30min naps. I want to nap too