November 2012 - Summertime, and the babies are sleeping (mostly with a few notable exceptions)

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Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1800961-November-2012-Is-is-too-early-for-birthday-plans

And as if to proves my point, M was just feeding and had fallen asleep although still sleep feeding. Try to transfer to cot, suddenly wide awake.

I need to sort out settling in with both GMs and the CM before I go back to work. How did everyone else go about it? She's fine bein left with my sis so no need to worry about that. She's stayed with my mum for the odd hour but never been on her own with MIL.
I'm thinking leaving her for the odd morning with Mum/MIL to get her/them used to it.

CM it's a bit harder, she's only going one day a week so by the next week could have forgotten her. Her first full day with the CM and me at work would be 20th Aug. CM has said she has Mon-Weds free in summer hols so suggested we go a few days in a row.
Would me going with her on a Monday, then going with her but leaving her after a bit ok a tues, and then the same but leaving her longer on the weds sound do able? I'm clueless.

Sometimes, like with her lack of napping, I feel more lost now than I did when she was a newborn

Just for yellowwellies :

You're welcome

Pass this is what I got told and am trying to do (it works like his morning sometimes and yet the afternoon one has taken an hour to get him down!)

• start with morning nap
• get consistent with routine ie if its bag, teddy etc
• play music/lullabies as these are often used in nursery. I find this works well.
• don't rock them. Place in cot with a cuddle and then sit by cot stroking them if needed until asleep.

I got told not to keep picking them up but to give a quick cuddle if hysterical. I also got told to just work on one nap at a time and do the others with the same teddy/ bag/ music but rock etc if necessary til you crack the morning one.

Oh and they must have been up 2-3 hours at least.

I am exhausted after an hour of getting him to sleep.

Another one here in the middle of Operation Nap In The Cot. May shortly be renamed as Operation Shout Til You Make Mummy Feel Terribly Guilty. We're on Day 2. Naps were getting better (sometimes, with a wing and a prayer) but only in the buggy and while convenient sometimes, I'd much prefer him to be settled in his cot in the day as I think he'll get better quality of sleep eventually. Yesterday I failed the resettle after his initial 40 mins til i gave up after being shouted at an hour later and put him in the buggy so he didn't sleep too late - as that seems to lead to the early morning wke-ups. Today resettle has been more effective so fingers crossed he stays down...

izzy i feel for you. As everyone says it will get better but I can't imagine what it's like at the moment. I'd only add that it's prob best not to decide anything in the night pr early morning as things always seem different from in the day.

Still BF here too. Have head in sand about return to work in 2.5 weeks -. Am thinking may have to express at work as boobs end up like watermelons on the days he doesn't take as much, even without dropping feeds. Last week, one went red heading towards mastitis when it got overfull. Was v thankful it sorted itself out by feeding on that side first for the next day.

Also randomly, i bet on the royal baby's name today using my kids' names and the free bets for signing up. I figure if they are going to have to share their name with the most famous baby, they should get some recompense!

Operation Nap in Cot moves on to stage 2 tomorrow. So far he has successfully napped on the bed alone with me in the room for one full week. Tomorrow we move onto naps in the cot

Thanks, pikz. We already use Ewan for every sleep and she goes in her bag every sleep. My problem is that as soon as she goes in the cot she starts crawling around. She gets absolutely past herself if I turn her over. I will start tomorrow though. Hopefully she will have a better night so won't be so tired so quickly.

How long should you attempt to get them to nap before giving up? I always feel under pressure as there are bottles and meal times to have.

She is sleeping now after being rocked but waking three times on transfer. Hopefully she has a good hour.

Good going chasing! Sounds like your Operation Nap is going really well.

Afternoon all!

E sleeps 7-7 usually, sometimes goes to bed between 7 and 8 but used to always go to bed at 8ish. He's done 8-7 with a df for months and for a few weeks/a month does the full 12/13 hours without a feed. I feel very blessed with such a good sleeper. He is no hassle for naps either. I hope saying this does not change his sleeping but he has two naps a day. All that happens is it gets to nap time and I put him in his cot, kiss him, give him a dummy and walk away. 1 in say 50 times he may need seeing to, eg dummy given and put the right way up but not usually. Morning nap is an hour to 1 30, afternoon is 2-3 1/2 hours. If it helps, he can be a pain in the arse when we're out, does not like to nap and can get mardy ESP where food is concerned.

I feel really guilty that he sleeps so well when some of you have such bad nights still :( izzy I am sorry you feel it's a bit much reading about babies sleeping and eating and I totally understand but please don't go :( if you really feel you must then please do look after yourself and come back whenever you need to. You'll really be missed and you'll always be part of the quiche. I felt similar to sophia I didn't manage to bf e and felt like crap reading about the other babies doing so well :( so I do sympathise that you are finding it hard :(

chasing you're doing so well with o's napping :)

eliza that is positive then that she still sleeps well without the tube feed :)

You have a sooper dooper sleeper there kyz Ditto what you and Sophia said about bf. I managed 3 measly days. Izzy I think you are beyond amazing.

O used his library card for the first time today and got 4 books out The whole time we were in there he refused to listen to me reading to him and just kept staring at the cute dad reading The Gruffalo to his son. He did the voices and everything. Swoon

I also found out about a soft play group at the local gymnastics club which we are going to on Weds. And I bought a highway code book to start putting my Learn to Drive plan in action. Productive day.

O is currently managing to nap through the noise of next does kids having the noisiest water fight in history.

Now, has she had that baby yet.....

next door*

Oh and bought a lovely chair for Oscar's new room from a charity shop

There is not one room in my house under 30 degrees right now. Despite fans being on full all day and all shutters being closed when the sun has been that side of the house. Outside it's 32 and no breeze.

checking in after a few threads!!!

passes round hob nobs and tea for royal baby watching

yep you don't see me much cos he doesn't sleep!!

BUT I think he slept 4 hours or possibly more last night in my bed . usually it's every 90 mins.

hope all are well I will attempt to catch up later quichettes off to bake and royal baby watch

dh will be very annoyed if it's a boy and called George

bugger I've been fbing too much. forgot that * is different on mn

add < and > to bold posts....

oh yes operation nap in cot .... we managed 5 min today

I freaked and phoned nursery today blistering on about reflux and only napping in sling or pram. I sensed in her tone of voice she was used to it!

I love this thread... You never feel alone.

After a disastrous lunch time nap the 4pm one was in pushchair and painless!

And we have a top tooth... Now up to 3 and he's walking about on hands and feet... According to a book is a pre cursor to walking... Shoot me shoot me now... I spent his whole nap tidying up!

Izzy Please don't go... I don't get bored of reading what you say, I just feel guilty as fuck as I want J to get better. :(

If it helps, O tried to start the day at 3am last night. Me and DP were up and down trying to settle him from 3am for the rest of the night. At 5.45am I gave up and shoveled a full whammy of calpol and ibuprofen in him and he went quickly back to sleep but on top of me and I couldn't fucking breathe and was up for the day 30 minutes later... First night since 4 months that he has slept in my bed. Not sure what the matter is. But something is bothering him, as his day times are pretty crap too right now.

My guess for the RB is girl, Alice, 6lb9.

The November Reflux curse strikes again ladies... I came across a colleague this afternoon. She is on maternity leave. Her baby was a November baby (but due early Jan). He's just been diagnosed with silent reflux. Both me and my colleague were practically sobbing in to each others arms I did cry, like a fucking tool, in the middle of Tesco over how hard we've found it, and the whole reflux thing, and crap care etc etc. Someone must have told her O had reflux as she said she had heard he did, and could I give her some advice.

I'd actually just come out of a meeting at work (but not where I actually work - on a different site 10 miles away) and popped in to the Tesco. So was a chance meeting!

Speaking of work, I had been to see some health and wellbeing person from HR, who basically told me they don't see this as a pregnancy related condition, and will not be treated as thus. And they can terminate my employment if I am not back in 2 months.

Why the fuck did I not take someone from the union with me? I'm a dickhead. I should have known better. I just thought that given the nature of the problem, the fact I am being treated at that Trust etc, I wouldn't have a problem at this point.

Now I know this will not surprise anyone... but when I got home this afternoon, O had just woken from his nap. I walked upstairs to get him, to find him stood up in the cot. Nothing unusual there, right?

Except for the fact the little bugger had managed to get out of the grobag fuuuuucksake!

for Detective what the actual fucking fuck? What is it supposed to be related to? Your vag just decided to break itself.

I'm still bf pp not sure when I'm going to stop, but ill just see how things go when I go back to work. I have a little one who isn't sleeping through. He's slept through twice. And he wakes between 1 and 3 times.

I wonder if PND is a pregnancy related condition? I guess they could argue your problems are birth related as opposed to pregnancy related Detective. I guess they could say PND is not pregnancy related either as it is Post Natal.

Well that's yet another kick in the tits for women returning to work if things like PND and birth related prolapse don't count.

Yes, that is exactly what it feels like. That or a kick in the broken cunt.

I'm so angry. But really, I should not be. I am not angry for myself - I am angry for other women who may find themselves in the same predicament.

Fucking arseholes. Union better get back to me sharpish!

I don't get how they could say it isn't pregnancy related. You don't have your vagina cut open otherwise surely .

Are they being pedantic and saying it is birth, not pregnancy related? What dicks.

They said once the baby is out then that is it. Anything after, tough shit.

I might argue. The episiotomy was performed before the birth. Have that, arseholes!