Still brooking no argument for sleep, glorious sleep!

[Stacks]

This will be the thread where all brooking babies learn to self settle and sleep through the night (the real version, not that 5hr at a time thing).

sorry not to introduce myself to the Fred, I have a nearly 8 mo old who only sleeps for 1 to 2 hours, bf. we seem to have hit a new regression, and stacks, very similar to what you describe.

I moved cot to own room and do bedtime there and then in with me. I've realised I've had some pnd and a dodgy thyroid too which doesn't help. facing work in 5 weeks

apologies done this all wrong..... may I join?!

Stacks, with your history it's no wonder you feel paranoid if there are changes to your body. I hope all is ok.

Munx. My DS 2 is 11 months next week and his routine is as follows - wakes around 6.30am. Pretty soon after waking he has a weetabix with blue milk and an organix fruit purée pot. He will usually then last until he has his dinner at 11.30. Dinner is quickly followed by a breast feed and a sleep, which is sometimes 30 mins, often an hour and sometimes 2 hours. He then has another breast feed sometime between 3 and 4pm, and tea is around 4.30-4.45pm. He then has his third and final breast feed at 6.30pm ish and then I aim to have him in his cot by 6.50-7pm so I can then put ds1 to bed. He won't pick any food up, at all, so no snacks yet.

Re sleep, my two are good and we don't get woken at night, although they both wake by 6-6.30am.

More later, ds2 crying...

Welcome clarella

You lot are scaring me with your tales of sleep under one. Im trying to block dd2s first 9 months out of my mind. We are currently thinking about ttc a dc3 early next year...(!!)

dd1 is the problem on here, up in the night truning on lights, howling like a banshee and crying for toys she says she's 'lost' (more often than not holding them). yawn.

My mum is possibly getting less bonkers, dh has sent a very stern email to the PILS and we may be getting somewhere with my dad and work. Fingers crossed things start to look up. We have decided to get a lot more selfish with everyone in our lives though.

Sometimes unsympathetic doctors are the best stacks. hope you get some good advice/help.

generic - thats brave on the sharing a room! the dds share a room in Italy. Its a big room and I have put them as far away as they can be and we still get them waking each other up. I don't like it!

I'm here! Just eavesdropping like olives et al

No. More. Sleep. Deep, deep sigh...

Will try and post properly later.

Sleep? Wossat?

Stacks my love, lack of sleep and the early days with a baby (I count everything under 1 year as early days) are really tough on relationships. He sounds like my DH, in that he's retreating to his own world, not realising that actually he's doing harm to your relationship at the same time. Mine didn't realise that giving me space (as he saw it) was actually the worst thing he could do, and it came across as really PA. In fact I suspect he was actually being PA - he denied it- because we were both so tired and grouchy.

2nd time around we try to make time for each other, talk more and generally try and remember that we're in this together. I ask him how his day has been, he does the same for me. However with your health history I'm not surprised you're worried. I hope it's just a consequence of the 7/8 month feeding frenzy that DD2 has just had as well, but I know that you need to have your mind set at rest by a decent doctor. If the unsympathetic one is rubbish, can you request a second appointment?

Welcome clarella. This is a substantially slower thread than the Brookers TTCers and Grads, I hope you can forgive us for that! Do stick around, lovely to have a new face.

at Dream, Munx, Loopy and pomme. I've missed loads, sorry!

Not got much time but just wanted to send a massive hug your way stacks Fwiw I have become far more worried about illness etc since having DS1 - I think having children makes you worry about your own mortality as you want to be there to protect them forever! I also started to irrationally worry about something happening to DH too, it gradually got better but has reappeared again since having T but to a lesser extent. So with your history as well I think it's completely understandable! It is completely overwhelming and knackering having a baby and part of the reason I stopped breast feeding early was for my own mental health - I needed a break so I could be a nicer mummy to DS1 as I was a tired hormonal mess! Your DH sounds like he's not really helping much at the mo, I would sit down and explain what he needs to do to help you - I always find that my DH needs explicit instructions on what I need him to do to help but then he's happy to do it, works for us and I would say we split the childcare 50/50 when he's off work (although from a straw poll of my friends I think I'm fairly lucky with him!) I do think that men sometimes feel very useless as they can't feed and end up sleeping elsewhere if co-sleeping is happening - is that a factor with your DH do you think? We had talked about it before T arrived and had decided that I would express for one feed and that if we did co-sleep it would be as a family not baby replacing hubby. I'm rambling now - sorry, just know that things WILL get better/easier.

Welcome, Clarella!

Pomme, I am excited for you re TTC next year and pleased that things sound much better for you, DH, PILs and your mum. When do you go back to Italy? I was very worried about them sharing a room, but so far, it has been better than when they were apart. At least I only have to stumble to one room in the night!

Dream! Arghh! I do hope things improve very soon

Smelts! 7-8 month feeding frenzy you say? Well, only today I speculated that DS might be going through a growth spurt as he seems to be properly BFing at night and more during the day, as well as wolfing down his solids. Well that gives me hope it is only a temporary state of affairs! I'm going to make him some rice pudding tomorrow to fill him up!

Olives, you are so lovely and full of good advice.

How are you today, Stacks? Hope you've had a better day and night.

Well last night's attempt to not feed was a disaster. Both DCs were up together, so I couldn't do the dummy insertion and patting etc as it was disturbing DD, so I took him into my room and fed him. He woke 4 times I think and fed properly each time and today I have that frayed, tired feeling I associate with newborn feeding during growth spurts. Maybe tonight will be better!

And big welcome Clarella I am brooking no argument that all our children will be sleeping through the night very soon or at least before they reach their teens
Pomme So you're another brooker whose eldest child is causing night time problems! It's a recurring theme! Have these kids of ours not read Gina Ford/Supernanny. My DS1 is very keen on reading at the mo, perhaps I can persuade him to read one of them and conform
Gen Fingers crossed for last night not being repeated!

Well last night T didn't wake until 5am and didn't seem hungry so I settled him with his dummy. He slept on and off until 6.30 although I didn't and didn't start complaining for his bottle until 7 so I'm fairly certain he doesn't really NEED to feed in the night - it does just help him settle quicker. So the plan is to persevere with the settling without feeding although we are continuing to make up a bottle just in case he decides he's suddenly starving at 3am one morning! So if it wasn't for DS1 shouting and messing about the last 2 nights we would have had fairly decent sleep
Right, off to bed for me now because I'm knackered!

Yargh, still no time to post. S seems to be egg intolerant as well as dairy and soya :(

Maybe tomorrow Brookers!

DD2 has a massive lump on the side of her head, by her eyebrow. She hasn't bumped her head recently, to my knowledge. I am going to take her to the GP tomorrow, and if the flipping shitty triage system at the surgery means that yet again they refuse to see my baby on the day I swear I will walk in there and refuse to leave till they see me. Panicking? Me? Yeah, loads.

Smegs. how did you get on?

Hi Gen OK, actually. Got an appointment for 10:30, GP was only running half an hour late It's probably a dermoid cyst, generally nothing to worry about although unusual in babies. We have a referral to paeds to verify this, and maybe scan her because sometimes they're a bit weird - containing bone/teeth etc due to stem cells that have ended up in the wrong place and started growing. Also they sometimes extend both ways, and despite being benign it's not great to have them in the skull.

I've been looking back through her photos since she was born and I think I can see the lump for at least a couple of months. I'm shocked that I didn't spot it before now, and to be honest I'm beating myself up about it somewhat

not sure you'll remember me but had the first brooking baby despite not being on the conception thread but saw you guys on active convos and thought i'd pop in and saw smegs query

DS1 had what they thought was a dermoid cyst between his eyes which actually turned out to be a haemangioma (strawberry birthmark) which grew until he was one ish and then started receding and now at nearly 4 you can hardly see it. it was rather prominent but we got it scanned and a second opinion from the maxilofacial consultants (dead specialised and impressive head doctors) who confirmed what it was. they were a little scalpel happy and wanted to operate at one point but once we had a correct diagnosis of what it is (which we only got once we saw the maxfac consultant) then we declined and waited to see what happened and it has in fact resolved on its own.

Just wanted to say that its not necessarily something dramatic and his grew over a period of several months (sorry can't remember how old e is?) and peaked at about 1. can send pictures before and after if it would help?

anyway hello to all and sundry. we're back in sleep regression from DS2 at 19m with taking an hour to go to sleep in the evening and up in the night and up bloody early and then DS1 is also varialbly up during the night.

other news is that we've moved out to the sticks to an amazing house and we're thinking about ttc dc3 next year, just need to convince dh that it really is a great idea....

I think I have worked out who you are hinky!

V exciting about ttc no 3. I am both petrified and excited at the thought (and slightly saddened by timing in life in general given recent events).

Glad house move went well, boo to the sleep!

Eek, Smegs, sounds a bit scary, but hopefully nothing too serious. Don't beat yourself up about not spotting it sooner, just congratulate yourself on spotting it and getting it seen to.

Hinky, I know who you are! Congratulations on the house move and how exciting re TTC again! I think there will be a few brookers in the new year. Not me though, oh no.

I am so knackered and grumpy today. I need a better sleep tonight, please DS. He's so cute though! I keep shouting at DD today, bad mother. Must. Try. Harder.

this is why i love the brookers - you are all so godamn normal. i shouted at the dses last week due to stress and tiredness then threw a knift and hit a plate and broke it then cried. both boys came over and gave me a hug - made me feel much better and really shit at the same time

Ooh, hinky, thank you very much for that post! Very helpful. I've copied your post to my DH, and have made a note of 'maxilofacial consultants' in case of unnecessary confuddling from paeds. However, unlike pomme I have not yet worked out who you are. I would blame tiredness/baby brain except in RL I am notoriously shit at names. To the extent that I met my former boss of 10 years once in a social situation and drew a complete blank!

Congratulations on the house move, and at ttc no.3. Brave woman!

Oh gen I'm a shouty mum too at the moment. DD1 has started copying me My DM took her out yesterday and DD1 apparently told her off - 'No Nana, I asked for the yellow spade. Don't make me ask you again!'.

Im always a shouty mum I think .

Haha about telling your mum off scrambled. Its so embarassing when kids parrot you back to you. Yesterday I asked dd1 to do something and she said 'Yes your majesty' calm as you like!

I am a shouty mum at the moment too. Well, I swing between that and being really soppy and affectionate as I feel guilty!

Hinky , I know who you are, how are your ds's?

Smegs, hope you feel like you're well informed and confident that dd2 is fine now?

Olives, jealous of T's sleep!

Nightmare week so far here. Ds is ill, a viral throat thing. He just wants to be carried, but dp has hurt his back do it has to be me. His reflux is awful, probably exacerbated by sore throat. Ranitidine has been put but he's screaming harder with each feed. Breastfeeding is soul destroying at the moment :(

My name is greenolives and I am also a grumpy, shouty mum I was vile to DS1 earlier (although he was actually being quite naughty but it didn't justify me screeching like a fishwife!)
I am like smegs and am absolutely shite with names as well as having a crap memory so please could you PM me hinky and tell me who you are?! House in the sticks sounds great and exciting times ahead if you're planning DC3!
I am firmly with gen in the 'no more kids for me' camp! Just got back from my pre coil consultation and booked to have it fitted in 2 weeks!

Cross posts little Sorry to hear about J being poorly I completely get where you're coming from when breastfeeding feels so tough because they're so uncomfortable You are doing amazingly well to keep going and restricting your diet too, I really hope things improve soon.
Oh and smegs I meant to say that I'm glad that the lump appears to be fairly harmless but I would second hinky suggestion of a Max Fac opinion - they are great, we get them to come up to A&E to do tricky facial sutures etc and they are AMAZING! If she did need it removing she would be referred to them anyway.
DS1 woke T up at 1.15 last night and after an hour of trying to settle him I gave him 3oz milk which immediately sent him to sleep! DS1 continued to call out until gone 3.30 so I spent over 2 hours last night in and out to both of them! Then DHs alarm went off at 5 and I couldn't get back to sleep - grrr That is my reason for being a shouty mum today!

Another shouty Mum signing in

Hope little brookers are better soon. Also no more mini munxes here!

PleAe forgive short post. Am exhausted. DD had dairy by accident so shoes a nightmare at the moment and DS is teething. I don't know why I even bother doing up my bra clips.

Am hawthers (totally ruining the point of nc)

smegs we nicknamed DS1 lump dermot due to the incorrect diagnosis and it stuck. Evil parents

at dermot. Love it!

Hawthers! Goodness, blast from the past! Lovely to 'see' you again and catch up.