Still brooking no argument for sleep, glorious sleep!

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This will be the thread where all brooking babies learn to self settle and sleep through the night (the real version, not that 5hr at a time thing).

About the copying DS1 has used bloody in the correct context and tone far too often recently last one he said that he was bloody bored and before that his bloody drum wouldn't work properly....

Ahhh! Hello again hinky Sorry for being a thicko! Love the use of bloody - nicely in context too!

Greetings, Brookers! I've been rubbish at posting, sorry! But lovely to see some old faces around, as it were. Anyone heard from Scarlet or Too recently?

DS is 16 months and still bfing all night. Yawn. We night-weaned him successfully at 10 months, and he slept much better, but after chicken pox at 13 months his sleep went to pot again. I'm just not sure if I need to wean him completely now, or whether I can still bf him am and pm, just not all night! Also not sure I can face all the sobbing and sleepless nights that night weaning again will entail.

In better news, my mum and aunt came to help with childcare while our childminder was away, and managed to successfully settle DS in his cot for naps and at bedtime, and I have managed to replicate this myself a few times. Woo hoo! So bedtime is currently easier and DH and I are getting an hour or so together in the evening before DS's first wake-up.

Stacks your post really resonated with me. DH and I are arguing a lot too - I blame tiredness and the lack of quality time together. for you. I hope your health concerns prove to be nothing to worry about, and you get through this bad patch with DH. And that T (and all the other bad brooking babies) get the hang of sleep soon!

morning all. I'm in need of sweet treats this morning. I've resisted biscuits thus far but I don't think that will last!
hinky lovely to see you! how's life outside the big smoke?
smegs I hope dd is ok.
can't remember what else I came on to say.
we're off to Anglesey then the lake district tomorrow, so looking forward to the break!

Got a referral from paeds but it's a longish way off - not till the end of the month. It is, however, at GOSH so I'm hoping the care will be top notch!

DH of course has gone off on one, saying that we need to go private asap. I know how he feels, he's worried (as I am) but I think we can be reasonably sure that it's not anything terrible. And we need a name to be referred to as well - well I don't know anyone!

Oops. Hi Ninja. Have a lovely break!

Petwoman that sounds tiring. Have you had a look at the No-Cry Sleep Solution? I have a friend who swears by it for night-weaning older bf babies. Hope you get some more sleep soon.

Smegs - many paeds don't do private. When I tried the private app was after the NHS one. Gosh should be the best!

GOSH will definitely be the best, I'm sure it will be fine to wait until the end of the month but you could always investigate private options (like pomme says though, not many paeds do private work so it may well not be quicker)

And I would actually be a bit concerned about a paed who was doing private work as making lots of money from sick children just doesn't seem right iyswim? In fact I can only really get my head around private medicine when it's about surgery I.e getting your knee/hip etc done a bit quicker if you can afford it. As I've mentioned several times I really disliked the chap I saw privately for my NK cell testing - it was all about the money for him and it was all a bit distasteful but the only way I could get the tests! Anyhow, I digress, if the GP had thought it was anything sinister then he/she would have done an immediate emergency referral and you would have gone in that day. As it is the appt will soon come round and if you think it's actually been there a while already it probably won't have grown much by then either. I know it's impossible not to worry, but I'm sure it will be fine

Hi all

Smegs my 3 yr old dn has been an outpatient at GOSH since she was 2weeks old, her parents say the care she has received is outstanding and all the staff are wonderful. I hope the end of the month comes quickly for you.

Ninja, enjoy your holiday. We're off to the inlaws holiday home on Monday for the week, I cannot wait.

Stacks, how's it going with T in his own room? And have you seen your gp yet?

J is over his throat virus and is being lovely and smiley now which is great. Unfortunately he is still distressed when feeding. I'll be 2 weeks dairy free tomorrow, but no idea if its working. I'm feeding him by sitting him upright facing me, which seems to help him a bit, but is quite awkward. Feeding him is just so stressful now! At least he loves solids still.

Hi all. I nearly replied the other day, then DS woke up. Still, I'm here now.

Sleep isn't really getting much better, but my DH has been wonderful the last couple of nights. He did 8-12 on Thursday night and all night last night (so I only had to get up to feed at 2 and 6:30!). Somehow I almost feel tired for the extra sleep, but I think it has done me good. The PILs have been round too to help out, mostly so my DH can prepare for an interview and I can tidy up, still the extra hands have been very useful. They took DS out for a while too, in the car, to another place, without DH or I. I think I was more phased by this than T who didn't seem to notice us not being there. To be fair though he did sleep most of the time he was out.
I went to the dr too, he didn't say anything but ordered lots of blood tests. So I'm to go back next week when results are in to see if they show anything. I guess there's nothing he could have done at the first appointment really except take my concerns seriously, which he did.

Smegs sorry to hear your worrying about dd, but I'm sure all will be ok. I only know gosh is awesome from its reputation, so I'll defer to others here. I'm sure the month will go by quickly though, they certainly fly by here.

Ninja I hope you enjoy your holiday. We've got one not at all planned for the end of the month. We just need to get DH to book the time off, figure out what we're doing when, tell my sister (who we're staying with) and inform friends we're planning to visit. So, it's all sorted really.

Little glad little j seems to be over his sore throat. Sorry it's still causing issues feeding though. Hope it all settles down soon.

Pet I hope things improve with your DH soon. I can't imagine having to deal with this for 16 months, 7 is long enough! I'm not worried about our relationship ending or anything dramatic, it's just so hard not really seeing each other. Sending hugs right back at you. Also to you dream, if you're lurking.

smegs I don't think end of the month is too long, for knowing its GOSH too. It feels like soooo long though, think we waited 8 weeks for s paeds appointment and it felt like forever. Good luck

stacks we are 16 months into no sleep now. Well, he is just starting to sleep 3 hour blocks (!!!) And we even had one of our first peaceful evenings since he was born the day before yesterday though a horrible waking with choking and refluxing, then vomiting and hugely upset baby last night . Finding it tough relationship wise here. Marginally better now we finally know its more a medical cause of not sleeping. The evenings and general settledness have been loads better on dairy, soya and egg free diet plus max dose meds. He's still got v mucousy, loose stools though, so I'm wondering about other intolerances groan . Glad your GP took you seriously and i really hope its this torturous sleep deprivation business rather than anything serious.

Anyway. Up 10, 12, 2 (both boys) 3 (DD) and about 3 feeds from s from 4-5:35 aka morning so I'm off for

I am lurking and reading, just mostly not finding time to post. Sorry

Looks like we may have swung an earlier appointment somehow (cancellation). Don't hold your collective breaths though, this is the NHS we're talking about...

That's great about earlier appt smegs
Just checking in to say hi really. T is being brilliant at night, self settles before 7pm and is sleeping through until between 6-7am! I keep waiting for it to go wrong but it's been over 2 weeks now so it's looking promising! M is still being a complete PITA at night though - a good night is 2 wake ups and a bad night is 6+ wake ups! It's driving DH and I mad! So I'm still in the sleep deprived gang - it's just my 5 year old who's the cause! How are all the other older siblings sleeping these days? I am currently bidding on a cd clock radio on ebay so we can try playing white noise in his room which he can switch on himself if he wakes in the night - I'm getting desparate! He's definitely having less bad dreams so it's purely behavioural now

Hey olives . That's tough! DD1 doing ok, acting up at bed time and up at 6am every morning but over the last week not up in the small hours. She has pretty much every toy she owns in bed with her currently though!

Im still feeling sleepy though as have had Italian work colleagues over this week so have been doing meetings all day, entertaining in the evening, staggering to bed at midnight-ish and up with dd1 at 6am. YAWN.

My cycle seems to have gone back to normal now post the termination which is good news. Feeling quite peaceful about that now. In a few months I'll be able to make the ttc no 3 decision properly I think.

My mum and my MIL still being PITAs though!

How are you feeling smegs? Did you get an earlier app?

Hope you're ok dream!

So glad to hear you're feeling peaceful pomme . Will look forward to hearing whether you do ttc #3.

I'm feeling so tired and pretty low. I'm proud I bf my dts but now feeling trapped by it through both the resistance to stopping from both (never an issue with dd) and their food intolerances. The thought of the enormous battle night weaning will be makes me feel weepy. Also S STILL has diarrhoea. Food diary going to have to start. I am crap at eliminating things 100%, and not letting him have eg a smartie, mouthful of cake, so will have to crack down and write everything down because it needs to stop- has to be impacting sleep?!

Anyway, enough wallowing. When's your new appt smegs?

olives, what a total pita. I assume you've tried reward charts? I don't have any bright ideas. And anyway, you'd be crackers to take sleep advice from me!

Hello again. I lost you all as I e just not had the energy to check MN. DS is sleeping on me just now, I really should have put him down to sleep but didn't want to even consider starting that battle. For some reason the past couple of nights he's only managed short stretches in his cot before waking. He'll then settle quickly while being held but cry as soon as he's almost down in his cot. Must have tried the transfer 20 times last night between 3 and 5:30, finally got him settled for him to wake 10 minutes later. Just so fed up! He's still got a bit of a cold though, and seems a bit constipated. I'm really, desperately trying to feel sorry for him and caring rather than resentful and angry. It's not going great though.

Led me to look up this though, which is worth a laugh.

This is the

I wish I could offer advice or a way to take a break dream. You're still a super mum and an inspiration to me. After all, you're coping with 3, work, and 9 more months of sleep he'll than me. {hugs}

smegs hope the new appointment isn't too far away.

olives hugs for you too. Jealous of your baby sleep, less so of the 5yo. Fingers crossed its a phase that'll pass very soon.

stacks I was bought that book by a friend
6 broken hours of sleep last night and I'm a new woman! Shame I was horribly grumpy with DH this am regardless ...

One day they will sleep. I'm guessing around age 3 for S. So long as its a bit better than this, I can live with that. I didn't sleep through the night, up 2-3 times EVERY night til I went to school, so I'm prepared to live with that. If its just twice often enough....

Unless some great drugs are offered (for him ;) )

Wow Olives, sounds like T needs to teach all the other brooking babies (and M) how to do it! I'm lucky that dd sleeps well through the night, though she messes is around a bit at bedtime. I couldn't cope with her being up at night too, seeing as J's sleep is awful at the moment.

Stacks I hope T's sleep improves when his cold goes. I think it can really affect them.

Pomme glad to hear you're feeling peaceful now :)

Despite no sleep, we've had a lovely week down in Poole. Lots of sunshine for playing on the beach. J is almost commando crawling now, which is funny to watch, and is very good at rolling wherever he wants to go. I'm going to have to make sure dd puts all the small toys away now!

Hello Is there anybody there?

Just checking in to say hi to all. Thankfully I've seen most of you on FB so I know that you're all knackered ok
Nothing new here, T being a model baby at night, M being a complete PITA at night (4 wake ups last night!)

I'm still here!

Olives, that is rubbish re M. R is still up at least once a night, but usually only for the loo, then goes back to bed. She is a pain at bedtime though, there is always the coming out of the room / me reasoning with her/ coming out of the room / me shouting (in a whisper so as not to wake E) routine every night. Can't wait til she grows out of this testing the boundaries. Probably in 15 years or so.

E is sleeping longer thanks to the cc the other night. The last three nights he has slept from 7pm until somewhere between 3 and 5am! Last night I was a bit lazy and fed him at 3 instead of doing cc to get him back to sleep. I couldn't face the crying! I can't complain though, it has worked very well so far.

How is everyone else?

Hi all

Gen, sounds like the cc had been effective for you, hope you're feeling refreshed with a bit more sleep.

We have realised J is almost certainly cmpi after trying to move him on to formula caused hours of screaming in pain for him. He has been referred urgently to a pediatrician, just waiting for appointment.
Sleep still appalling too. Feeds every 2-3 hours through the night then up for the day 5.30ish.

Oh no little thats rubbish, poor J and poor you! Are you going to try one of the prescription formulas after you've had your paed appt or are you going to carry on breast feeding? Sorry that sleep is so crap still.
gen Great news that the cc has had such a brilliant effect so quickly, long may it continue!
We've had a bit of an incident here tonight, M threw one of his wooden trains which hit T. He was very tearful and sorry and it was an accident so that was that but then DH came into the kitchen to talk to me and suddenly they were both crying in the playroom! M had thrown another train which hit T in the face, he has a tiny cut on his forehead and a little bruise by his eye M was hysterical and mortified that T had blood on his face and obviously very worried about our reaction! I THINK it was purely him being an overexcited 5 year old rather than anything deliberate but I'm not 100% sure I was still really cross that he hadn't listened after the first time though. And now I'm worried about leaving them together when I go to loo etc etc WWYD?

Oh Little, that sucks. I hope that now you have a diagnosis, things will start to improve.

Olives, that sounds upsetting, but probably perfectly normal 5 year old behaviour! I can't leave DD and DS together. DD gets over-excited and squeezes DS a little bit too hard. Every day I find myself telling her off as she puts her hands round his neck and strangles him (why?!), she also rubs his head really hard. It's like she can't control herself!

I am so happy the cc seems to have worked. Last night, both DCs slept all night. I can't remember the last time I didn't have to get up in the night for one of them. Amazing! Hopefully it will continue as I'm back at work soon. DS is mobile now; he can shuffle on his bottom and crawl backwards. He can only crawl forwards a little bit, but I don't think it will be long as he is doing all the things I remember DD doing just before she crawled. It has made things more challenging as I can't leave him anywhere now, but it's a lot more fun as well!

How are the rest of the brookers?