Still brooking no argument for sleep, glorious sleep!

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This will be the thread where all brooking babies learn to self settle and sleep through the night (the real version, not that 5hr at a time thing).

Can I join? My DD is 9m and has only ever slept through once! I'm lucky if she gets me up 3-4 times, last night was 7 .

Of course you can join Life, welcome. I've got a 3yr old dd who sleeps beautifully and a 5 month old ds who doesn't! Lots of the brookers babies seem to be non-sleepers, so please do share any tips you've picked up on the better nights!

Tips always welcome! I have a 2.5 yr old DD who is an amazing sleeper and the less said about 10.5 mo DS the better.......

Hey life! .

I have a 3.4yr old and a 17 mnth old (both dds). Both are nowadays pretty good bar their love of early starts! Dd2 was awful, awful, awful though until about 9 months.

Hi Life. Welcome! We're all a bit hit and miss with posting these days, turns out lack of sleep and young children really does mess with your brain - who knew

My DD2 (7mo) seems to have turned a corner recently, however my DD1 has decided to have a sleep regression at the grand old age of 3.4 and is waking the baby up too. So DH and I are both exhausted as we each deal with a child.

On the positive side, the constipation issue seems to have cleared and she's eating more than ever! Also, she CAN roll, she's just uber-lazy it seems. SHe does love standing, has started to pull herself up against furniture and I have a horrible feeling that she's going to go straight to walking. She's so strong and big, you see.

How are all the poorly little ones? What is it recently that has meant all our babies have caught lurgies?

Thanks for the welcome no tips though I'm afraid. My DD has never been a good sleeper. She's only ever slept through once and that was because she cried all day . She use to settle quite well but now with this bloody heat and teething she doesn't. If she wakes up 3 times a night then it's a good night but lately it's hit 7 times a few nights

How do you all do with more then 1 DC?

Hi all. Been a long time since I've had time to read or post. T (7m now) is still sleeping terribly. He was up 11 times last night :(
I'm trying to focus on daytime naps, with the idea 'sleep begets sleep'. To that end I've been sat uncomfortably in a chair since 9:10 being a human dummy to T. It feels like a step backwards from cuddling him to sleep without feeding, then putting him in his cot. However we're at nearly 2 hours now, instead of waking every 10-20 minutes, and sleeping a maximum of 40 minutes. I really hope this pays off tonight, my arm and bum are totally numb!

Welcome Life as you can see, no sleep here either. T used to sleep 4+4 from newborn to about 6 weeks, with sleep steadily getting worse since then. I blamed it on all sorts, including an early 4 month sleep regression, which still hasn't ended! I think "4 month sleep regression" has a double meaning they don't make clear - it his at 4 months for 4 months at least. Sigh.

Hello lovely brookers, it's been such a long time since I managed to get on here. So long in fact that I missed maybe and solars having their long awaited bfps on the conception/ ante natal freds and I feel totally out of the loop.
We are all good here, dd is just starting to walk this week. She's doing the delightful step step step stagger sideways and fall on something. And she loves climbing. DS was not really a climber so I'm hoping she gives up on it soon. You can't put her in a high chair and turn around without strapping her in (its the antelop one) as if you do she'll be stood up in it when you turn back to her. I have to say if it was a choice between climbing and sleeping, I'll stick with her sleeping. stacks how has T been this evening?
How is everyone? Are any original brookers back on the conception freds yet? I know a few were considering it last time I was on here. Any exciting gossip? I am going to try to post on a regular basis if at all possible, I've missed you lot!

Hi all, I've been rubbish too! I read most days, but hate posting on my phone and can't always think of anything interesting to say! Must stop eavesdropping and join in more!

Ninja, that's so exciting re DD walking! The climbing thing terrifies me! DD never did that and I'm worried DS will, eek.

Stacks, how have the last few nights been? I am a believer in the 'sleep begets sleep' thing. Hope it helped you. FWIW I still feed DS to sleep every time. He can self settle occasionally as I sometimes hear him over the monitor, but I've never successfully put him down awake for him to fall asleep by himself. Keep thinking I should.

Welcome, Life. I've got a nearly 4 year old DD and 7 mo DS, neither of whom sleep though the night! DD used to be brilliant, but for the last three months or so has started being unsettled at night, yawn.

Smegs, sounds like DD2 is going great guns with the sleeping and moving, gives me hope! DS is pretty good rolling and scooting around on his back now and lately keeps rolling on his front and trying to propel himself forwards, but just gets frustrated! He's only just 7 mo today and DD was about 9 mo before she crawled, so I think it will be a while yet.

Little, how is DS now and how's the weaning going? Olives, what about you, weaning going well? And how is your DH's grandma (hope I've got that right)?

Pomme, hope you continue to feel better. I'm sure it's normal to feel a bit confused given what you've been through.

My news... Well, we've moved DS into DD's room as DD kept saying she was lonely in the night! It's helped in that she is much better at going to bed (no longer shouting for things as soon as I leave the room) and she generally sleeps better in the night. She still gets up early, despite the Gro clock, but we are persevering with the sticker chart and seeing some progress. The night before last she slept all night and didn't get up until the clock said it was morning. That's not happened for months! Sadly, last night was not as good, but hey ho! DS seems happy sharing a room and generally just wakes once for a feed after his dream feed around 11 and then is up for the day between 6 and 7. Loads better than a few weeks ago, when we had an awful regression of getting up 10 times a night. Hopefully he will sleep through soon! I am working a few days next month and back properly in sept, so brooking for more sleep soon!

generic I can't believe ds I'd 7 months already and you and little are both weaning. time really does fly!
pomme I'm not surprised you are a bit all over the place. it's a big thing to go through.
hello life. I have a 5 yr old ds and s 1 yr old dd. I generally don't get involved in the sleep convos as both mine are pretty good most of the time. they both have/ had their moments though.
it's dps birthday today and we're going to have a big fat fillet steak for lunch. nom nom.
am on phone so can't scroll back, will try to get back on later.

Ninja you're going to think I am following you! I have a little time so I am just going round saying hello to all the brookers.

I too am guilty of reading but not posting.

Hope the non sleepers sleep better soon!

For those who breastfed, what sort of pattern did you have at 10/11 months? DS still a bit of a boob monster. Not really too fussed and not looking to reduce feedings - very much of the opinion that he can have as and when he wants. But curious as to what others have experienced. Many thanks!

at munxx. I feel I need to make up for lost time by posting on all 3.
I didn't manage to bf for long so can't help I'm afraid

Munxx, I'll be interested in this as I'm still BFing DS and hope to continue without doing any mixed feeding.

Ninja, I know! 7 months, it's gone so fast!

Hi all

Stacks, how's T getting on in his room? We'll be moving J soon [gulp]

Good to see you Ninja, how exciting that M is getting mobile now. Pleased to hear yours are good sleepers at least!

Gen, does ds disturb dd when he wakes for a feed? I have considered mine sharing a room when they're a bit older so I can keep the box room for laundry

Weaning still going well here, J is loving everything he's been offered. I've gone dairy-free though as he is really struggling with his milk feeds. The reflux seems worse than ever unfortunately. I'm only a week in to it though, so too early to know if it'll help yet.

As for sleep, he's still not great, but is being consistent at the moment at least! Bed at 6.30ish, feed at 12ish and 3ish, then his internal alarm clock seems to be set for exactly 5am when he is then up for the day. He seemed a bit off colour today, so I hope it's no worse than that tonight!

Hello all, I too confess to being an avid reader but a crap poster!
Nice to see you ninja and so good to hear about good sleepers! I think DS2 will be a climber and I'm dreading it! DS1 gets enough injuries and he's Mr Cautious just super clumsy
stacks Did the good naps help at night?
pomme Glad you're enjoying being in the UK, things are bound to be up and down for a while with your emotions but it will settle eventually and it was the right decision for you and your family now.
gen Your DD and my DS1 should share!! They sound very similar at the mo! He wakes far more than T and it's driving us mad!! I have a doctors appt next Monday to discuss whether there's anything else we can do. Genuine nightmares are only about 3 times a week, the rest of the time he just shouts out for random reasons! After always being a good sleeper although early riser it's a real PITA that it's all gone to pot now! Thanks for asking about DHs grandma, she moved to a hospice on Friday and it's so much nicer there. We took both the boys to see her today which she loved! They are trying to sort her house so she can get home asap which she really wants. How is your DHs dad doing?
little How are you finding the diary free? It's not easy or I certainly didn't find it easy! Has J got any appts coming up regarding the reflux? Wondering if they can change/adjust his meds?
boo Loving the FB pics of K enjoying F1
And dream How are you doing? any breakthrough with the non-sleeping boy?
smegs how are E2's bowels now?
Waves at scream, scarlet and everyone else I've forgotten (am on phone so that's my excuse!) Welcome to life too
Well as mentioned above DS1 is not sleeping well! DS2 is doing ok, goes down at 6.30-7 ish then wakes usually only once during the night for a feed, then generally up for the day at 6.30 daytime naps are a whole other story though He has got over his febrile/throat thing after the abx but has been left with the most awful thick green snot and a hacking cough! Tis making him more unsettled at night but he's still drinking loads of milk. Weaning has stopped though as being ill has completely put him off He just cries if you try to give him anything solid! Even sticks of cucumber which he was loving gumming before! Still I'm not too worried as he's only 5 months so plenty of time yet, we only really started as the consultant recommended it so we'll try again in a couple of weeks when the snot has gone!

Why o why does strike out sometimes fail when your on your phone? It's annoying!

you're not your!

Special wave for munxx Knew I'd missed someone
And just read back properly to see that E2's bowels are back on track smegs It's a bit of a coincidence that you me and gen are having sleep issues with our big children - I'm certain that some of DS1's problem is that he feels a bit unsettled now he doesn't have our sole attention iyswim? Do you and gen think that may be an issue with yours?

Little, no, I don't think DS has ever woken DD, except for when he wakes in the morning. I reckon you should try yours in the same room! Well done on the exclusion diet, sounds v tough.

Olives, I wondered the same re DD's sleep. but I think it only started in May. But I know she was a bit jealous of DS, especially when he slept in our room. Glad your DH's grandma is in a nice hospice. FIL is not good at the moment, but everyone's trying to stay positive.

gen DS1's sleep problems didn't start until T was 3ish months old. I wondered whether the initial excitement of having a sibling had worn off by then and was replaced with feeling a bit jealous? Who knows?
T has just slept thru the night!! I've heard a few rustlings but haven't had to get up to him at all!! M has shouted out several times during the night though! Oh well, one out of twos not bad

morning all.
sounds like it could be a bit of jealousy type stuff creeping in if it's happening to several of you. ds gets periods of unsettled sleep when lots of change happens. hope it calms down soon for all of you.
dd burst into tears and clung like a koala to me for the first time ever at nursery drop off today. she's been super clingy to both me and dp over the weekend too. poor sausage. she's got a really snotty cold so maybe it's that?
me and ds are off to a local farm park type thing to meet a friend in a bit.
have lovely days everyone.

Since moving T to his own room we've had one night with a couple of 3hr stretches. Most of the night is still hourly, generally with 2-3 resettles each time. He'll go down easily for 5-10 minutes then wake up over and over. I'm finding it really hard to get to sleep between wakes too, as I'm either angry or just anticipating the next wake up.

I should make the effort to catch up with everyone but I just don't have the energy. It's all very me, me, me but I'm depressed, angry, tired and increasingly scared I'm seriously ill. I think the ill thing is just paranoia, but I'm paranoid about being paranoid! I've lost a bunch of weight, am tired all the time, nauseous most of the time, random bouts of diarrhoea and a kind of feeling like there's a lump in my stomach. Lots of this can be explained by breastfeeding and poor sleep, which I try to keep reminding myself. I made a dr appointment for Thursday though, unfortunately it's with the unsympathetic dr I don't really like.
DH and I are having problems, but not talking about it. I refused to cuddle him last night, said I don't feel like he cares about me, and walked off crying. He turned his YouTube video back on and carried on with the washing up! He's just bloody useless. When I called him through after 20 minutes of crying on my own, his reason was that he didn't think I'd want to talk to him, and was giving me time. AIBU to be upset about this? He keeps implying I'm being unreasonable about everything, in that if I ask him "do you think I'm being unreasonable?" His response is always silence, followed by "I don't know" which just means he doesn't have the guts to say yes! Sorry, I'll go back to my pit now.

stacks having a baby is a real test for the strongest of relationships, and the lack of sleep doesn't help. I am constantly snapping at Poor DH.

Is there any way that someone can take T for a few hours so you and new can go off and have lunch or a drink somewhere and have a proper chat? It's hard trying to talk while dealing with a crying baby/ breastfeeding/ laundry etc.

I also hope your appointment goes well and that its just as you said, changes due to feeding and tiredness.

For what it's worth, I lost a heap of weight around the 6-7 month mark as DS suddenly increased his feeds again. He never really got over the 4 month sleep regression either, he is getting a bit better now at 11 months. We co sleep but he is spending longer and longer stretches of time on his own bit of the bed without the need for cuddles.

Sending you a massive hug, you'll be OK.

Right, I'm giving up posting about sleeping on the thread as every time I do, we have a terrible night! Last night, DS was up about every hour, but luckily DD slept through it all and DH was here to get up with them both so I could have another hour or so this morning. Just been reading the Rough Guide to Babies, which says that by 6 months babies don't 'need' feeding in the night (ha!), so I will try again at night weaning. I've felt for a while that he isn't waking for food, more for comfort, but who knows if witholding food will actually convince him to sleep! Small victory today though, in that he woke when I put him down for the night, so I slipped the dummy in and he actually took it! Not tried a dummy for several weeks as he never seemed to like it, but it must have fooled him tonight. May try that in the night rather than feeding and will report back.

Stacks, I'm sorry you are finding it so hard. I understand your health worries. It must be really worrying with your history and I think you're doing the right thing to get checked out. Surely the GP can't be unsympathetic with those symptoms and your past history. I agree BFing can make you feel tired, run down and a bit ill at times. I have felt better since I've been supplementing with multivitamins (I think I was low on iron, had a transfusion after birth and oral iron, but never got re-tested) and vitamin D, which is the 'magic' vitamin of the moment. Like Munxx says, having a baby puts a tremendous strain on any relationship and it's so hard to communicate. I certainly have times of quiet resentment, mainly about having to 'do' everything, eg night feeds, comforting, all the general day to day planning and organising, cleaning, shopping, cooking etc. We had a brief chat about it the other day and DH says he is happy to do things, but I have to tell him exactly what and when. Grr. What I want is a bit of proactivity 'Oh it's 7pm, I could start tidying up and getting DD ready for bed so Gen doesn't have to do all of this after putting DS to bed'. Anyway, much sympathy here, and don't feel bad about talking to us, we are here to try and help.

Ninja, sympathies about DD's clinginess, it's so upsetting when they just want you, isn't it.

Olives, that is great news re T last night!

stacks big hugs.

ask for a thyroid test honey, and a referral to the perinatal mh team.

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