Still brooking no argument for sleep, glorious sleep!

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This will be the thread where all brooking babies learn to self settle and sleep through the night (the real version, not that 5hr at a time thing).

Hope he's doing OK. Poor toot. DD really really suffering with the heat.

Great minds think alike - got the antibiotics yesterday afternoon as he'd stopped taking fluids bar tiny sips, think his throat is really hurting as his cry sounds really hoarse 2 doses in and he's taken a 5oz bottle then another 4oz during the night, just wish I'd picked them up even earlier. DH and I are doing shifts downstairs with him as it's cooler cos he's still running a high temp. We are all so knackered! Hope you ladies and babies managed some sleep.

Oh Olives hope they help, and hope you manage to get some rest too.

Oh Olives, really hope T is better soon. Poor wee soul!

Sorry to hear the brooking babies are suffering in the heat. T doesn't seem too bad, but we are in Scotland after all. Our room was only 25 degrees last night .

T had his best night in ages last night, apart from waking a million times between 8 and 11, he then slept 11:30-3:30, woke and resettle himself playing with daddies chest hair at 4:30 and woke me again at 6:30! That is an absolutely amazing night for T, so I'm really happy today :) He also took his medicine like a big boy this morning, I didn't crush the tablet, just put it in some apple sauce and he seems to have swallowed it. At least, I didn't see it come out and I was watching very closely.

We're just off to swimming lesson now. I've kept T up from his morning nap to get him sleeping the hour on he bus there. Last 2 weeks he's been really grumpy as we've got to swimming just at nap time.

How's T olives? Hard when they've got a really high temp. Dd was never like it but my boys have had repeated bouts of temps hitting 39.9!!!! (One of which was a chest infection and double ear infection for Dt1 and i didn't think he was very ill despite temp as the others had had it snd it passed, hit the doctor's for his reflux and was told it was the least of my worries, he's really poorly. BAD mummy...) . Anyway, he was miles better within 24 hrs of abx, hope T is.

Morning is anywhere from 4:20- 6 ish here. Yawn. So frustrating, the others are more like 7am. Still, now worked out Dt1 is soya intolerant, and dairy intolerant. Egg challenge next. Bugger all he can eat now :-(

Oh, but guess what? Not helped his sleeping ONE IOTA. ffs.

Today was awful. If you saw FB, we had a trip to a&e. For constipation. Seriously, I felt like such a tit, but I honestly thought she was going to do herself an injury. The screaming, the straining - oh there was so much more but I don't really want to say as it was kind of grim. I don't understand as I've been giving her loads of fluids in the heat, extra bfs and water. The doctor said I was clearly doing everything right (massage, cycling legs, mainly veg & fruit diet, lots of fluids). Well if that's the case then WHY is she constipated? I'm still really worried.

We have movicol now so fx that helps. She's not enamoured of the taste though, and fruit juice isn't disguising it. I have to dilute it in water, can't hide it in food etc. The pharmacist was at my asking how long I had to get it in her before it went 'off' but I know my dd.

Sorry to hear that T has been unwell, Olives. I hope he's on the mend soon. Sounds like the antibiotics have done their job - pah! to viral.

Dreams his sleep will improve. It must do. I hold onto this thought with desperation but it CAN'T last forever.

Pah to viral indeed!! I'm really cheesed off that he ended up REALLY poorly as I dutifully waited for his "virus" to run it's course when actually he needed the abx! I was so close to a hospital dash on Tues as he had barely drunk anything, we'd had no wet nappy for 8 hrs and he was so lethargic - thank god for abx is all I can say! smegs Movicol is FAB, DS1 had it during his "holding in poo rather than pooing on the toilet phase" It takes a few days to kick in but then it just makes lovely soft poos (not runny!) No clue on how to get her to take it though, DS was older so just had it in his morning and evening cup of milk and never seemed to notice it. With regard to why E is constipated, don't be worrying - her bowel is still very immature, she's not been on solids that long and the weather is unusually hot - it's bound to upset things.
dream Do you think the heat is adding to the sleep issues? Perhaps when it cools down a bit the effects of the elimination diet might be more obvious? I do hope so anyway!
I was feeling smug that we'd had 7 nights of DS1 NOT waking last week but this week has been a total disaster - he's been shouting out several times a night so between him and T being poorly we are broken!!
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Hi all

Sorry to hear of poorly little ones.
Smegs, ds is constipated too, I think it's due to the weather and his tummy getting used to solids. How us E2 now?

Hope T's sleep is still improving stacks?

Dd's got her preschool leaving party tomorrow, I feel quite emotional that this phase of her life is over and from September she'll be wearing a school uniform!

DS up for the day at 2.45am. I am exhausted.

I am sorry for poorly Mini brookers.

We've had a few movements today, Little. The last one was a bit softer looking and didn't make her scream half as much. Thank goodness. She seems a bit happier. I feel wrung out. We're off to Center Parcs this weekend, where I expect to totally lose any sanity I have left.

Loads of DD1's friends are going to school this autumn too. I can't believe it, they look so little . She's taller than most of them too! E1 and her bestie are going to absolutely tower over the rest of their friends now As a shortarse I am of course inordinately pleased to have a tall child!

Olives I knew T was ill, but no idea how bad he was. You poor woman - 2 of them sick is terrible. (((((hugs)))))

Why oh why oh why did I do it???? K fell asleep at 6 after her feed, I was so smug! I was going to go back to bed :( so because I'm a great mummy I checked on C and he had got up in the night and pulled his duvet on, he was sweating so much, so I took it off :( stupid mummy stupid stupid thing to do. So good morning, C and I are having breakfast while K is asleep. Yep I woke him up :(:(

How are the poorly brooking little ones doing today? I hope there has been some movement and recovery for them!

Oh no boo!

My little larks are 6am risers currently. Longing for the shutters on the Italian house!

Everything has been quite hard recently here. As some of you know from fb I had an abortion a few weeks ago and Ive been really up and down. Also getting obsessed with being able to feel that we could have a third should we chose to in the future. Then MIL has been her normal, irritating self but massively ramped up to totally undoable. Now my mum appears to be having a mental breakdown and has made up this weird scenario where dh is cheating on me.

Seriously, family who'd have it?!

Dh is being lovely though and work is all good. Nanny is fine but I remain convinced nursery (a good one obv) is better for my little ones.

What does everyone else use for childcare???

I think it is important to be able to have the choice of another child in the future Pomme but after what you've been through dealing with mil and your mother must be quite a strain. Has your mum got/getting any help? Sounds like she should see someone. I can't help on the childcare front, I'm a sahm. Toddly does go to pre school though, it's lovely.

I didn't really miss out on anything except the chance of a rare extra sleep today, just a silly thing to do! Everyone knows you let a sleeping babe, well toddly boo, lie!

Pomme, sounds like lots to deal with, with your mum, mil and emotions all over the place. Are you still glad to be in the uk at least? Can't help with childcare advice as I'm also a sahm.

Oh, an old time brooker who left a while back has popped in to the ttc thread...

Very glad to be back in the UK!

We're sorted in term time for childcare but school holidays are already scaring me..

aubers???? surely not??? biscuits????

it was imps for anyone wondering :)

Imps? Any acrobatics?!

Last night DD2 slept through I could barely wake her for dream feed, couple of sucks then she folded her lips . After a few nights of very little sleep for me I can't tell you how welcome it was! I still feel rubbish, but slightly more human rubbish.

Where are you living these days, pomme? I doubt you're near us, but thanks to DD1's nursery I really think it's worth checking out Community nurseries over private/Montessori ones. It's great, the staff are lovely and really love the ethos of it. They often get involved in new Early Years studies too. Dd1 has really benefited.

(PS I now love Center Parcs. It's amazing. Despite no sleep!)

Hello all, I'm off staying with my mum for a week for a break though some of it is easier I'd underestimated the impact of two babies on the rampage in an un baby proofed house...

pomme of course you could have a third child at any point you choose. Your decision was to not have another small age gap with big projects underway, a foreign adventure mid way through and not being mentally prepared. I don't for one minute imagine it was easy. I struggle every day with mine, though granted, much of it is either due to S's non sleeping ways, or two same age babies, but it is hard. I do wonder how different things would be if we'd had the boys a couple of years apart. You made a choice that was right for you and your family right now, you don't need to feel guilty.

smegs, sounds like you're having a fabulous break, and a sleep through?! Wow. Now, that's what I'd call a holiday, go dd2!!!

Oh, and re childcare. We have a nanny. For me and my children I'm very glad they don't have to go to nursery. I strongly feel littlies need as much 1:1 as possible and don't need to be a little fish in a Big pond in a nursery early. Dd will go to preschool when she's 3, maybe 2 mornings a week, maybe do 3 if she wants to and enjoys it. Hopefully the boys will do the same. Mine are all quite clingy, very mummy ish, dd abd B both sensitive little creatures abd wouldn't do so well, though S would probably be fine, he's emotionally more robust. So it wouldn't suit them.

Go smegs dd2!! Awesome news! You're the second person that's said that to me about community nurseries recently. DD1 is, outside the summer, doing lots and lots of pre school as her childcare and I love dd2's Italian nursery. Problem is from easter next year until September and then post that every school holiday!

Un baby proofed houses are TERRIBLE dream

Absolutely pomme! . I really struggle with three, as someone is always ill, I'm constantly knackered, there will be 3 lots of extra curricular activities, clubs, friendship groups to pander too keep up with.

When you say community nursery, what exactly do you mean?! I go into lots of different nurseries, private, council funded, attached to schools, and there are huge differences but not sure what they are?!

Had an apology from my manager at work- not for the shouting and aggressive nature he approached me with, but because the sodding meeting I missed due to not reading the email, poor time management etc wasn't my fault- somehow I wasn't on the mailing list. Felt smug and sad, as he clearly thinks his tone and manner were appropriate...

How odd!

That post missed out my moan about our italian house and the stone staircases and 10m drop from the upstairs landing!

Even mn is tired of my whining

Dream, I think it means that on some level they're run and funded by the local authority, although in practice ours seems completely autonomous. I'm not privy to behind the scenes stuff though I have seen the accounts at the AGM. They seem to do a lot of Early Years stuff, and they also have recently participated in some early learning studies with a UK university (not purposely vague, just tired and forgetful!).

One thing is that ours expects a certain level of parental involvement. I provide occasional cover for the monthly staff meetings and DH helps with the garden/DIY when he has time. There's a whole load of other stuff too. I don't know how much other nurseries expect you to do - ours is massively weighted towards professional parents and as such seems to be able to command a great deal of involvement, possibly due to guilt

Your manager is a wanker, btw. I'm sending him

Oh it didnt miss it out. Now I am going mental.

Natural toddler selection - love it! Along the lines of dh's open ended 'No point worrying about it - they'll only do it once.' Well yes, precisely.

Yes, all funded by local authority, think maybe connected with Sure Start type things? Not sure. My friend is using one and she loves it, says its an amazing facility.

Other nurseries expect you to contribute to their bi annual cake stands/sports day/fete things with cake, raffle prizes and your presence in my experience :)