November 2012 - When are they going to sleep through again?

[StuntNun]

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1751304-November-2012-Babies-first-holidays-India-Australia-the-world-is-their-oyster

[ChasingDaisy]

PR I spent my childhood reading pony books

[PetiteRaleuse]

Ave pm'd you chasing

[ValiumQueen]

J is still as rough as a badgers arse. Why is it that kids are ill when their daddy is working late and grandparents are away on holiday. Every. Fucking. Time.

He sounds and looks pretty dreadful but it is all in the throat and nose. Chest is clear I think. He is drinking little and often and poo has eased up. He is passing urine and remains moist but not as moist as usual which is actually a good thing. He can smile and is bright and alert. Sleeping frequently but for 45 min cycles.

But in the middle of the night you still think it is whooping cough or meningitis or croup. Even with number three. I fucking hate illness.

DD2 is still poorly and being a little sod. DD1 feels left out as she is not ill. DH is getting paid to go to the pub.

DH said I should see my return to work as an opportunity to rest. I could have throttled him.

[ValiumQueen]

DH has started making dairy free bread and it is lovely with lashings of butter

[Passmethecrisps]

pidj it sounds like he has overloaded his gut a bit. I am sure he will be ok once he has cleared it.

YW I spent an age in Sainbury's label checking the baby cereals. Organix cereal has no milk in. The Ella's kitchen porridge looked great but warned that it might contain milk. What about whizzing up some porridge oats and mixing with BM? Can he have porridge?

P loves toast. We have been buying sainsbury's organic store baked bread because it is delicious and P seems to enjoy it. Just white so far but I might try her with a bit of brown tomorrow. I spread some purée on it to soften it.

[BigPigLittlePig]

F is doing a poo (sorry, tmi). Her face is like this - Poor love had just nodded off for the night too. Lifes a bitch.

[Passmethecrisps]

Rest vq? I'd rest him alright!

Poor DD2 and little J. I really hope they improve soon.

Picked up the omeprazole. YW remind me how you administer it again please? GP seemed a bit confused by it. She has been prescribed 5mg

[Passmethecrisps]

Hate snoozes interrupted by pooing. Never happens to me personally but does occassionally to P and to DH interestingly enough.

[horseylady]

pp just to say don't panic!! Ds here regularly voms entire bottles. Literally the whole bottle. I leave him and he's fine. If he was constantly being sick I'd panic more. It worries others far more than me now.

vq just hugs. Huge hugs. I'm so tempted to fly up and just help you out!!!

stunt we had an instant effect with ig. We do vary amounts. He's never had the full amount as he gets soooooo constipated on it. So yesterday he had more as he was really quite refluxy but today and normally he has a full dose at breakfast at lunch then sometimes one sachet in the afternoon and if necessary one sachet at tea. He never has one before bed. Just lately we've only been doing breakfast and lunch. Yesterday he had each feed. He just vommed a lot!!

[Passmethecrisps]

Me too pennie! Did they not do a thing where a psychologist talks over a panel of people led by Peggy? All the smoking and drinking and shagging looks very glam. But probably wasn't.

[YellowWellies]

Pass are they 10mg tablets? If so snap the tablet in half (to allow the MUPS contents out), add both halves to 10ml exactly of cool water (measure out with an oral syringe) stir vigorously for a minute or so to mix evenly then syringe up 5ml and give to p. Don't let the mix sit for more than half an hour before giving - as the meds will come out of suspension. Also if she voms within 30 mins of having the dose she can have it again so keep a note of the time administered. The safe dose is 2mg/kg so Jonas who is 6.5kg can have 2 doses of 6.5ml a day.

[Passmethecrisps]

Awesome YW. This is what the paed said but the GP seemed a bit perplexed. P is 14Ib. 5mg/ml seems to make sense - paed said he wanted to make it a measurable dose. So does 50% of the tablet basically get thrown away?

[Passmethecrisps]

And we only have bloody 1ml syringes. Arse. I might try her with a medical spoon.

[YellowWellies]

Pennie that would put me off too! Lots of expat kids' first words are in Tagalog or Spanish depending on where their nannies came from. I also found that many expat kids were materially spoilt / a bit brattish.

It's an amazingly multicultural place and kids growing up there have friends from so many cultures but it is tough work wise - loooooooong hours - 12 hour days MINIMUM, you have to pay for docs appointments and being off sick from work is very frowned upon, there is no social safety net so see a lot of poverty (there are folks living in cages in the poorer parts Kowloon side) and its very status / money orientated which I found a bit crude.

I'd go for a couple of years but not long term - I was offered a permanent job by the EPD (environmental protection dept) but declined.

I missed seeing the stars at night - though if you lived on one of the quieter islands like Lamma or Cheung Chau you'd see stars. I was living in Taikoo on Hong Kong island east. I was pleasantly surprised by the beaches, rainforests and hiking.

[YellowWellies]

Pass nope add both halves of the tablet to 10ml of water, mix, dose and when done (keep the liquid for half an hour in case she voms any up - we mix in an egg cup) chuck the remaining liquid away. Or mix 5ml with 1/2 a tablet and give her all of the liquid you've mixed. I tend to do the former ie mix both halves of the tablet in 10ml as they can be quite tricky to break into two equal halves iyswim? Get some 5 or 10ml oral syringes from the chemist tomorrow if you need - they give them for free.

[MsJupiterJones]

YW I make porridge fingers with normal porridge oats. He hasn't eaten any yet but it's an option!

VQ I am at news of poor J's illness and DH being a wanker. How are you feeling yourself now illness wise? Hope you all get a good night's sleep & wake up feeling better.

My iPhone now knows to capitalise VQ, YW, BPLP and assorted others on here. Clever thing.

[TheDetective]

I think I am in a right grump. Help!

VQ Poorly babies :( fucking bugs. And as for a rest at work. I hope you put him straight. With colourful language. I swear some people are stupid.

Stunt glad to hear some difference for J with the IG. I can't remember how quick it helped - although he had the ranitidine first. I added the IG once he stopped the thickened feeds to help with the vomiting. I'm glad you posted about the mesh thingymabob, I've mentioned them a couple of times, as I figured they could be useful. I'll get one, as O had a hell of a time trying to grab a banana yesterday. Was rather amusing to watch. The dog enjoyed it too .

Pidj I would think that it is okay if he seems otherwise well. O has vomited up what looks like banana when he hasn't had it for days .

YW I've been mulling over breakfast ideas. My first one is this porridge/fruit recipe which I thought sounded nice - but that is assuming he is okay with porridge? Are these suitable porridge oats? They are milk/gluten/nut free. I've not thought too in depth to be honest. The other one is toast and fruit, or fruit with home made yoghurt.

My grump: I'm a bit 'over' going to baby groups at the minute. One of the mums is really getting on my nerves. Might try a different centre. D'ya know she told me O's clingyness and sleep regression is down to me picking him up too much and not just putting him down. I'm not sure how I contained myself . I was so very restrained! Very fucking restrained!!!!!! It was a good job I was fucking knackered and didn't have the strength for more than a 'I don't think so'. Her baby also had reflux don't you know. And he sleeps. And eats. And blah blah fucking blah. Oh, and no one elses baby has ever sleep regressed. I just got blank looks. :( Thank fuck for you lot, or I'd be questioning everything I've ever done I have been but able to rationalise that we can't all be doing it wrong.

Then everyone was talking about weaning. And I felt upset, as I feel weaning is a bit ruined for O now. Everything I had planned has been vetoed. They were on about all the things their babies could have. O can't have them yet. And this same woman going on and on about how her 9 month old eats everything and anything, and why don't I try this, or that. I kept saying, no O can't have that, it has milk in it. No it doesn't she said (pizza!!!). Yes it does. And on and on.

I was a bit after 2 hours of this. I'm sure you could imagine.

On the nice side we did messy play with food. O had his hands in jelly and angel delight (made with water!) he screamed his head off, he hated it so why make so much mess with weaning then O?! I think it was cold and wet and he didn't appreciate it! He enjoyed tipping a big mixing bowl full of rice crispies all over me though pulls stray crispie out of bra. Be finding those fuckers for the next 10 years no doubt.

Then I got upset as I feel like O doesn't want me anymore. He doesn't want cuddles, he just beats me up. He doesn't even want to look at me when he's out in the pram.

Fucking hormones. I'm generally feeling a bit low. Not like me. I think I'm just tired, and wanting to eat pizza.

Blah.

[Passmethecrisps]

You are a superstar YW.

I was so convinced her reflux was under control that I have been ignoring symptoms. Today at lunchtime she was nomming her veggies then wanted milk. She smiled as I took the bottle out and got excited as it was being prepared. Then I tried giving it to her and she was a screaming mess. When I gave her the ranitidine she actually grabbed te syringe and sucked on it. Poor soul was hungry but couldn't eat. She does that almost every day. I don't know why I didn't see it. Why am I so determined to convince myself there is nothing wrong with her?

[TheDetective]

My iphone still hasn't figured out shit fuck cunt and wank. Not sure why?

[TheDetective]

I don't know pass I seem to teeter between the two. Not wanting anything to be wrong, and wanting an answer to the symptoms he shows.

I used to break the tablet in half and mix with the 5ml of water. Be warned, it doesn't dissolve well - that's normal.

Get the syringes from the chemist tomorrow, like YW said, they are free.

[YellowWellies]

Pass you and me both hon - if he's squeaky I'll always want to think it's teething - I guess I just wanted him to be one of those who are growing out of it by six months.

Det although I whine about it, I feel lucky that I'm dairy and soy free myself as I already have a pretty good idea of what foods are safe and there is fun stuff. Pizza ROFL you get that all the time - insistent waitresses assuring me that eggs are but cheese is not dairy. Because cows lay fooking eggs eh?! Sorry to unnerve you but I'm pretty sure angel delight has milk in the powder - check the ingredients - I know I can't have it. I've only found one 'toastable' bread I can have but its brown - reckon he'd be OK with toasted bagel?

[Passmethecrisps]

Would you like a kipper det? Not sure it is you who needs it mind you.

Let me pick this to pieces.

Woman at your group is a moron. Smile at her and move on. I have has the "reflux? Oh yeah, my baby was sick all the time as well" type comments but I either lay it on shamelessly awfully thick or I smile and get into an interested medication chat. Start that kind of chat should either scare her away or bore her rigid. As for the 'clingyness' thing. Well she can just fuck off. WHY do people feel that all babies should have the same personalities? Why, why, why? Why is a bit of social reluctance seen as a flaw? It's a fucking survival mechanism!

Ok with that? Don't let one moose put you off if you enjoy the rest of it. The mix of people makes such a massive difference.

And on to O. He is a massive bundle of energy who is exploring and learning about his world. Sitting having lovely snuggles is just no going to cut it I'm afraid. You have created a confident little boy who feels safe and secure enough to face the world. That is to your credit.

[horseylady]

det smile. They're probably just wanting to help. But being infuriating!!! You don't have to justify anything. The best piece of advice I was given is listen to what people say and say 'ill try that thanks' and don't!!! Or if it see a useful then try it.

Babies do not need to be on three meals a day yet. Nhs guidelines suggest between 9 and 12 months they should start heading towards three balanced meals a day. I offer three a day. He typically has yogurt or porridge for breakfast. Maybe toast.. Finger foods at lunch . Cheese, oatcakes or bread, then salad bits or veg and a fruit. I don't think he eats much, if anything. Tea he has purée if he's in the mood and something off our plates. Or not. Again he doesn't eat much. Maybe 50-60g? He's still offered 5x 10oz bottles. He generally eats most of the bottles.

If at 12 months its still the same, ill reasses. I don't think it will be though. It's still 5 months away. Look how much they've changed already!!

[Passmethecrisps]

Me too YW. I had completely convinced myself that it was all gone. I have actually gone back over the run up to her hospitalisation and convinced myself that I misinterpreted the symptoms and maybe she was just over tired or had wind. Genuinely! I have told myself she was in hospital with wind. This then leads to me being sure she is on meds she shouldn't be so I lower doses here and there until she is poorly again and I feel awful and back up it all goes. The paed was brill but I came out feeling really bad. GP and HV looked pretty about it too as they both knew about the ongoing refusal and we all just shrugged our shoulders.

Meh.

Not the end of the world.