November 2012 - Does it seem like half a year?

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The chick, that would be fine as porridge is heated enough to kill any bugs. If you were making an amount to say mix with purees through the day, then I would make up in a sterilised pot and keep in fridge.

StuntNun - I am very glad not to have felt the pressure to give myself a 2 week break and restart painful breastfeeding 3.5 months of almost constant thrush made me very glad when I finally decided to be kind to myself and stop.

I have the self sterilising bottles, will do it As long as I feel like. No time limit here. But i don't and won't sterilise anything else.

O was an absolute superstar and woke at 6.20. I read my card this morning and burst into tears, my friends are awesome. They also gave me a voucher for a return flight for O and me to come back and see them at one point. So so grateful.

lois your post made me realise that I am extremely lucky to have a baby who loves her cot and as soon as she lies in it, she wants me to be gone. I put her down, say night night and shut the door.

Another one with sore boob here. Gave up breast feeding 4 days ago and my left boob leeks, big time. O just rubbed her head against it and I have a huge wet patch.

Knew I had forgotten something. Happy birthday chunky and vq's dd. Vq it sounds like you have a lovely day planned for her. Hope you feel up to enjoying it too. I am sure she will love her caterpillar cake. It sounds like you are having a crapper of a time at the moment and I am sorry you are feeling so sad about the bf. Curse these sensitive tums. also curse dh's who won't help effectively at night - especially vegan ones.

My dh got no brownie points last night either - I was up 5 times including now for the day with g, and dd woke twice. Both times I asked him to go to dd he argued about it. Bearing in mind I am in the spare rm with g this means I either have to shout through a wall over g's head - or get up to kick him. Neither is ideal...

VQ my DD has the IKEA kitchen, it is an amazing toy, can keep her occupied for hours. Although DH has to conquer his kitchen related OCD when she plays with it - I once caught him trying to tell her she can't pan fry a plastic carrot. FFS.

The weather is amazing here today. We are going to wash the car (DD thinks helping to do this is a treat comparable to how some children treat Disneyworld) and then try and tidy up our extremely tiny garden.

But from six months aren't people going to use cows' milk to cook food like porridge? Or are those guidelines different here too? Here cows' milk is used for cooking from 6months and to drink from 18 months though some doctors say three years as that is when gut reaches maturity, but I personally think those doctors are in the pay of ff manufacturers. Like a lot of Drs seem to only prescribe drugs made by certain labs. Do Drs in the UK get lobbied by drug manufacturers too?

LO had a bit of buttered toast this morning. Literally sucked a little of it into a mush and ate that, then threw the rest at the dog. I have to make some more purees today, we are running low.

This afternoon we are taking DD1 to the airport to watch the planes.

Morning, happy birthday chunky & vq's dd :)

Shit night last night, ds full of snot

horsey erics bottles are the same times as etienne's So I might try feeding him food at a similar time too to see if it works for us. If I try feeding food halfway through a bottle he just isn't interested and if it's too close to a bottle he seems to get frustrated. I have been feeding him solids an hour before his Bottle both morning and afternoon. He still hates afternoon foods, Is much more enthusiastic about breakfast. So far he's not really dropping any milk feeds, though he only had 5oz last night at df

My keeping up yesterday failed miserably :(

Katkit your reasons for stopping bf are completely different to MM though. From MM's posts it sounds to me like she is conflicted about switching to ff so I was just suggesting a gradual approach to switching. It is an emotive subject and I think it is very easy to be left with a residual guilt for years afterwards, especially when you have another child and it all comes back to you.

pr guidelines here are cook with cows milk after 6 months and as a main drink from 1 year. Under nhs I think drug companies to individual drs is less than to the higher board who buys in.

I'm going to sterilise bottles probably for a year, but def beyond 6 months. Mainly due to the teats. But if I'm doing them, I may as well do the whole bottle. The rest I'm not worried about.

kyz works for us, though remember he's younger than e, so may just need more time. Why not just give breakfast ATM then introduce dinner again next weekend? It's taken me by surprise how he's suddenly increasing the amount if solid food he eats!!!

Oh crap sorry if I have offended anyone. I have nothing against ff, I am just sad that M made the decision for us by refusing me now. I am able to express a small amount so I will keep giving her that in her baby porridge and rice and in a few weeks if she stops fighting me maybe mix feed?

That said, I did enjoy an extremely strong coffee this morning and I am looking forward to a large glass of wine next time we go out

God willing these babies will be with us for a life time - let's let go of guilt re: ff or bf

Why would you have offended anyone mm? Everyone has their own journey. I don't think anyone on this quiche feels offended when a BF feels sad/upset/angry/relieved all at once at BF coming to an end. Continuing to express to maintain supply if you like or stop. Both will have advantages and disadvantages.

I'm a bit worried about giving H too much solid food. We had a few bad nights at the start and I think it was because he ate too much. Horsey do you feed until he lets you know he's done? I might try that again now that his belly is prob a bit bigger. Kyz that's interesting that its the time of day rather than the food he doesn't like.

Any idea how I can get M to sleep longer than 2.5/3 hours at a time? I'm absolutely exhausted.
She used to go 5 or 6, sometimes 8 hours but presumably sleep regression has well and truly done her. She's been doing it about two weeks or so and I think sleep regression coincided with moving to the cot.

Last night she woke at 1:15 and I was so tired that when I started feeding her sleep was blending in to awake and I was having wierd thoughts and felt a bit ill. Don't think that helps my anxiety/depression as I'm always worse at night and when I do night waking a it sometimes makes me feel like the depression could come back. I'm fine during the day, it's just the tiredness at night.

At the moment I'm still sleeping next to her cot, I wonder if I Gould move back in to my bedroom so I'm further away an she might self settle. But then I worry I'll be so tired I won't hear her wake

Sorry for the winge!

DHs first game went well, he won, M got lots of admiration. Took ages to get her to nap in the pram because she's so nosey

fatima I know it could be seen as a backwards step, but could you try co-sleeping after her first or second night feed? Atm we have gone back to that, as F is waking at 4 for reasons unknown (not hunger) and will fall asleep in a heartbeat in bed with me, but not in her cot. I've done this before and she grew out of it quite quickly. I'm hoping she will do the same again

Oh, and re: drugs/drs in the NHS - we view drug reps as a source of free food and pens. We listen to their chat, sometimes consultants may be convinced by their evidence, if it is solid, and prescribe said drug for certain patients, but within the hospital, a medication has to be approved by the pharmacy before it can be widely used - and to do that it has to be proven to be safe, beneficial and cost-effective. Of course, private practice may be completely different.

DH is heading for a slap. After a week of leave, and a week of lie ins, with no lie ins for me despite promises, he has now dozed off on the effing sofa after being up for an hour

Two days off solids et voila back to our post sleep regression norm of feeds at 3 and 6am. So today are trying one wee cube of the most benign solid for refluxers - parsnip, served at brekkie so if he reacts we have a shit day not a shit night. We're off to IKEA too today VQ.

JJ might have to try to give him a taste of neutramagen AA before 7 months then. Eep - think it'll have to be a sippy cup as he swats bottles away angrily and rubs his open mouth over the nearest boob or moob!

Stunt I think that was a wise suggestion where there isn't a health reason per se for weaning - keeping supply up for a week or so as MM is doing just to allow some headspace on it all would certainly avoid the 'fuck it you're going on a bottle' moments I think everyone who BF has in the wee small hours during particularly trying times when you're totally worn down. Though if LO has rejected the breast I think express feeding is possibly the most difficult way of feeding (and something I'm pretty sure I couldn't do). Kitkat I fed for a week with thrush - agony - couldn't have done longer.

I hope the sore boobies stop being sore.

Pikz you ran the marathon? Epic lady!!!! I'm tired just watching it

Just in case those who are stopping feeding don't know, you should express anyway, or gradually wean off the breast. When I stopped I expressed 4 times a day for 2 days, then 3 times for a couple of days, then 2... then I stopped from the two really as they were 12 hours apart anyway.

It is recommended to stop far more gradually than that, but I think as long as you just don't stop completely you would be ok.

Risk of painful blocked ducts leading to mastitis otherwise.

We are in sleep training today!

After his 3 x 30 minute naps yesterday, he went to bed at 8pm, woke an hour later, settled back down, woke just before 1, settled back down again, then woke at 5, and once again settled, but in bed with me this time. He slept til 6.30 when he seemed to be up for the day. At 7 after half an hour of cuddles in bed, I thought, lets try a feed. So I fed him, and he went back to sleep on me. Til 9. Fuck yes! Despite having a baby on me from 5am, I feel pretty good today!

I'm not sure why he woke so much - for him it is more than usual anyway. So I am putting it down to shitty naps. I am ensuring proper naps today. I've got him down for his first nap now. I am going to try and get a minimum of an hour from each nap.

I'm just gutted that technically he didn't have a night feed, but was still up so many bloody times! DP would have got him up at 6.30 as well. Glad I didn't. I don't do before 7!! I keep telling DP to put him back asleep. He doesn't listen. Yet he hates getting up early? Makes no sense!

Poor child must be confused with parents doing different things!

Oh, O has also increased his feeds the last 2 days, taking 7-8oz at each feed!!!!

Think I might just go back to breakfast horsey as he seemed ok when having just that. --except this morning But i hope its because he is full if snot and seems to be having one of those tired/whingy days. He's 24 weeks tomorrow and I'm my own worst enemy because I reason with myself that he is only little and there's plenty of time yet, but when he gets a cob on and refuses to eat I go into panic mode and convince myself he'll never eat food/healthy food and I'm going to have a worse time weaning than we've had with bottles! 24 weeks isn't exactly a worrying age to be not fancying your veg though I guess. It's just everyone else seems to be getting on fine with veg purées and whatnot and e just moans and whinges the whole time. I thought they were supposed to enjoy food so I'm wondering where I've gone wrong. Either time of day or he's not ready or I'm doing something else wrong I haven't thought of.

mm strong coffee rocks, I didn't drink coffee when pregnant because it made me sick, but I missed it terribly. It's my main vice.

thechick tbh it's probably the food he doesn't like, I have given him porridge/fruit/rusk for breakfast then veg stuff for tea. He's bound to prefer sweeter things isn't he. I daren't try give veg for breakfast though he'd probably moan burst my ear drums and I thought I'd do no favours giving breakfast at tea too. Oh I don't know, I've probably cocked it all up already

fatima if e is having a run of bad nights I co sleep after his first stint, it doesn't normally last long but I'm not good truly awful on not much sleep so it works for us. On the other hand if she wanted you and was screeching I'm pretty sure she'd wake you! Does she have a monitor thingy?

Could he be spurting det? With increased feeds and whatnot? E never did feeding and sleeping at once with a spurt, he will feed lots more for a few days then sleep the next few! E had shit sleeps yesterday too and a crap night. Today is full of whinging and sleeping and general fussiness. Yay!

Kyz Chill out lady!! You haven't fucked anything up! Why not just give the food a rest for a couple of days, and start fresh? It doesn't matter if he doesn't like them yet! Is it something like it takes 20 times of having something to like it? Can't remember, but sure it is something like that! He doesn't like it once? Just offer it again another time!

What have you offered him so far? Could you mix the veg with milk or baby rice if he doesn't like the strong flavours yet?

If he spurts any more he might explode !

I am appalled. I've just had to delete someone on FB. She has just had a grandchild. He is half chinese. She keeps referring to him as a number 22. At first I wasn't sure if she knew what she was saying. But she clearly does. Her own grandchild... what a cunt.

is there a growth spurt at five months? fed loads yesterday then up twice in the night for a feed and woke for a snack at 6am. slept loads yesterday too.

boys at tag rugby this morning so just the two of us. the house is now clean...on a Sunday..amazing

Lol i'm not good at not stressing det I'm positively rubbish at it in fact! I thought you were supposed to do one veg at a time for 3 days. Found them strong when I tried them but figured that was supposed to work so I gave it a go. I tried baby rice, carrot, sweet potato, normal potato, banana and pear. He wasn't too bad with the fruits but wouldnt entertain the veg. Mind you this was at 17 weeks when I compromised with my mum that no I wouldn't wean him but I would offer tastes. As he seemed so unimpressed I left it until 22 weeks, he started grabbing my food and seemed keen so I started with breakfast (mums advice, said if his tummy hurt I could deal with it in the day/take him doctors if poorly etc instead of night time). I started with rusk on her advice since my tasting idea went down like a sack of shit. He built up to a full rusk in 3 days, seemed to enjoy it. Since then, nearly two weeks, I have given him breakfast every day and he sometimes sits and eats it, sometimes acts like I'm murdering him. I leave it on those days, I don't want to put him off. Started with tea Monday, couple of days he's eaten a few spoons but mostly he clamps shut. He has had Radom puréed cubes chucked together, got inspiration from what was in pouches and have only just remembered my annabel kamel book, twat so for example yesterday was carrot apple and parsnip. Had to mix with normal potato as wont touch just veg. Tried baby rice and he really threw a paddy at that one, mind you I can't mix it, it goes all lumpy like wallpaper paste :/

I didn't know if stopping the food would just put us back to 'I don't want to eat anything', I dont know what I'm doing to be honest. Mum said she thought I could go to two meals quickly because he's older. Me and my siblings all ate 3 meals plus finger food at 4 months, so it's totally different for mum to see me trying something new and tbh it doesn't seem to be going well whereas we all loved food apparently, so I'm not sure I've sold it to her very well :( she's due with number 6 soon and I think she might, just might, wait to 17 weeks but I can't see her waiting past that. Anyway I digress.

See, amongst that messy explanation I have fucked up :/ it's fixable though right?

Oh and he likes gumming cucumber sticks