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October 2012 babies part 2: winding, yawning and grizzling, and first smiles?

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YompingJo · 13/11/2012 05:20

Part 2: in which our babies learn to sleep through the night and make us tea in the morning

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MickeyTheShortOne · 28/11/2012 21:30

Thankyou so much Orenishii and Squid. Pips fine. I know she is. She'd be screaming at me if she's hungry!!! She is happy, responsive, pooing and weeing all over me, little cow and i know she is feeding well because i can feel her swallowing all the milk and whatnot. Theres nothing wrong with my milk supply either you should see all the t-shirts in the washing. Thanks so much for sharing your experiences, after reading that and speaking to my mum I feel fully justified in flicking the bird shouting fuck off at the midwife. I love you guys.

cheesymonster write away. don't bottle it up as that will make it worse. i hope you feel better soon. xxxx

Wow looks like we're all having a crap day today.

Crazypaving Happy birthday for yesterday, apolgies for belated wishes. Hope your day is a bit better tomorrow to make up for it.

cheesymonster · 28/11/2012 23:25

Thank you for the kind words everyone Smile

Cherrychopsticks · 29/11/2012 01:43

I haven't posted for a while due to visitors, but I have been reading in the deep dark depths of night feeds.
It's great having my friends here but it means I'm not napping at all in the day not that I was before really and we've been having lots of busy stressful days out. Also DS is going through one of his unsettled, noisy, cluster feeding sleep stages.

Friends are leaving tomorrow, but parents arrived last night for 10 days. In the nicest possible way, I'll be glad when this is all over! Grin

So just want to quickly say, Smiley, sorry about baby's fever, you must have been so worried. I hope everyone's much better soon. V impressed with how calm and in control you sounded.

Mickey, it sounds like you've been doing a lot! I think I was still in prison hospital at this stage. Be kind to yourself, take it easy! Agree with everyone about ignoring the scales and listening to your baby (not that I know anything or have any experience of this), it just sounds like they're always so quick to suggest anything other than BF.

Happy belated birthday Crazy!! Thanks Wine Sorry it was crap, I think you should nominate another day, later in the year to be your birthday instead. Hope things are improving.

People arriving, gotta dash, will catch up with everyone else when I get a mo.

bella2012 · 29/11/2012 04:24

oh dear-what a bad day all round!

cheesy you sound so down. i am so sorry. Keep talking, keep getting help. pND is a bastard and distorts your view on everything. I am with you on the guilt that you are not 'enjoying' it all more, I feel like that a lot and then I wonder how can you enjoy something that screams at you for hours? I don't enjoy it all every day, but there are enough good things and good days that I do feel like I am where I am supposed to be. If the bad outweighs the good to a large extent, then you need to make sure you access the right help. Much love to you.

loopy fingers crossed your screamer is just having a temporary blip/growth spurt xx

livvy was your row baby related? Have you guys thought any more about your wedding? I know you were busy doing the planning, I bet that is difficult to fit in right now! Hope you have managed to make it up? I can't stand it when me and dh fall out. Sorry especially that is spoiled your precious nights sleep!! Doubly unfair. I hope tonight is better.

angelico thanks so much for thinking of me and for all those thread reccomendations-superb! We do have a dummy, but during the evening scream ups he will not be settled with one. He spits it out and tries to suck dh's arm for all it is worth. Will def check out those sleep threads-thank you again for your thoughtfulness xx

mickey I am so sorry your plans got spoiled. Small treats are all that keep me going sometimes and it is so disappointing when they don't work out. Our ds1 is in playgroup on a wed morning so we had planned to go out for breakkie. However, v. Little sleep last night put paid to that and dh just went in to work early. Was so disappointed! Totally rubbish about the HV's attitude. Great advice from oren. You are doing a great job breastfeeding and coping with the endless vomiting. Like squid said too, you know your own baby. You will get there hun, don't despair.

bella2012 · 29/11/2012 04:36

october your situation is so cool! If only both of you could bf! And you, unlike most of us have two people capable of multi-tasking unlike my dh bless him! You def have the short straw doing baby and dc1 though-how are you finding all of that?

cherry are you having fun with your bestie? Hope all is well?

crazy I can TOTALLY empathise with that meltdown. I agree that baby crying is a form of torture. My poor ds1 doesn't stand a chance sometimes because 'mummymummymummy' is more tolerable than the screaching. Can we, and the others with 2 regularly share our stresses with 2 in the hope of diverting more meltdowns? I am so sorry your birthday was so shit. Did anything nice happen for you? Did your DH at least give you a card from your two little fellas?

beccus my wine God due date/birth date buddy- sorry to hear you feeling down too. Hope you get some more sleep tonight. We are still in the stage where three hours consecutively is awesome too. It is hard. Maybe our two have parallel lives and will both sleep through in unison?

squid how is it going helping your sis and looking after Jess? You are so good for doing that for her. Please don't stop telling us your news. It is nice to hear happy stuff!

Well, my reason for wanting today (and tomorrow) to fuck off is because DH arrived home unexpectedly tonight to tell me he has been made redundant. Fucking bastards. No warning and right before Christmas. Great. Have so enjoyed reading and catching up with you all as it has distracted me from my worrying. Gah, feel too upset to even write any more.

londonlivvy · 29/11/2012 06:31

bella , how awful re your DH redundancy. What a shock. I've been made redundant twice so I know the feeling. However, sometimes good things can come of forced changes in direction. I hope he finds something new soon.

Yes, the fight was baby related. Complicated but think it is kinda resolved now. Most of the major wedding decisions are done, thankfully, and the rest can wait til ne,t year.

squid you elicited a hah with your you are both sleep deprived. Nope. DF sleeps in the spare room unless mat nurse is here, so his sleep is unchanged.

To everyone else, yes there is a growth spurt at six weeks but five weeks is a key development week and thus grizzly. The Wonder Weeks is a fab book explaining all that. Really recommend.

cherry visitors are a mixed blessing, aren't they?

mickey good for you in sticking with your intuition.

Smorgs · 29/11/2012 06:34

Oh bella you poor things what utter shit timing. You must be devastated. Was there any warning, normally they have to announce they are planning redundancies in advance? Has he worked there long? Are they offering a redundancy package? We went through this at my work a few years ago and some truly excellent people lost their jobs, the company just couldn't keep anyone on in their role so they had to go, it was heartbreaking. Do you think he'll be able to find something similar in your area? Brew

Smorgs · 29/11/2012 06:44

Cross posted livvy that makes sense Smorglet was 5 weeks yesterday. Pretty crap night, fed every 3 hours but he just screams afterwards and is so hard to settle.
cherry totally get what you mean re visitors that was how it was with PIL. Thats the dis/advantage of living abroad too, people come and stay forever.
My big sis is coming to see me tomorrow for a couple of days. She is so excited about seeing Smorglet it's sweet. She is totally clueless with babies and I'm not entirely sure she'll know what way up to hold him but she's brilliant company and doesn't need 'entertaining' iykwim, just so long as she's got gin and fags Wink

londonlivvy · 29/11/2012 07:53

Ps crazy, you should definitely make like the queen and have an official ( and much more fun) birthday another time. Hugs.

hufflepuffle · 29/11/2012 09:28

Bella that is just horrible for you. I am so sorry. The timing is the worst. Easy for us t say but hopefully things will work out. My brother had same shock 2 years back. Ended up in a much happier job within 6 months. Just batten down the hatches, assess your finances and look After yourselves. We love your lovely kindness but we will understand your shock an fears.

Livvy I am glad to know this 6 week thing is official. I am bloody exhausted. 3 he feeding and 6 hr sleeps gone! Feeding up to hourly in day, 2 hourly at night. Not having been used to this it is exhausting and the weight of holding this wee man so much has my back and shoulders wrecked. Must look up that book thanks

Hope everyone well, no energy to catch up properly
Xx

squidkid · 29/11/2012 09:56

Oh bella I am so sorry, that is shit timing. What does he do? Must have been such a horrible shock for you, I am so sorry to hear it and hope things can work out nonetheless.

livvy if you are the only sleep deprived one then he is being a nobber really... I am glad it is (sort of ) resolved but gah, the last thing you need right now.

I concur that weeks 4-6 were definitely the most grizzly

Well we didn't have a great night last night but given we've had amazing nights for 2 weeks now am not going to complain!! Dragged myself out on morning run anyway... that was an effort. I don't feel like I'm getting fitter and I don't feel like I'm getting smaller but I think I must be. Anyway I have lost 2 inches off my waist in the last month so that's something!!! (I don't like scales)

I'm going to start a new workout routine in December

My birthday is 14 December and it would be nice to feel (almost) back to normal for it, am going down to parents and they are babysitting my baby and my older brother's two kids (this is other brother, not the one with the baby) and the four of us are going to go out to a restaurant and get drunk!!! Also going to go to a spa with boyfriend in the morning, bliss!!
Normally throw a messy party for my birthday with all my mates but didn't want to do a pale imitation really and then mum offered to take jess for the day so!! Hope all my mates understand!

Beccus · 29/11/2012 09:59

Oh bella, so sorry to hear about your dh's redundancy, how unsettling. Just the last thing u need right now :-(
bean was good last nite after her stay awake marathon- yesterday. we got her down around 7, she slept for almost 4 hrs, had a quick feed, then had another 3, took a couple of hrs to feed and settle- we had to do an entire outfit change after her feed because of leaky nappy, but then she had another 3 hrs. bad timing :-( Did will sleep well last nite too? Maybe they r psychically linked through sleep :-)
huffle, can u feed your monster bavy with u in sidelying to give your arms and neck a rest?

hufflepuffle · 29/11/2012 10:11

Hey Beccus thanks for tip. I've never really got the hang of side lying at all, bit stupid me. Only in last few days after visit to lovely lady in hospital hav my cracks started to heal and im afraid of changing anything!! I'm sore now cos I was holding him too low, that was causing pulling and small mouth and the feckin discomfort. (gentle word for)

Cos wait for it, I've got perky boobs, not pendulous ones!!! And she said this with such a straight face and I was rather delighted!! So crux is until he re learns latch I hav to hold him up quite high!! Might try lying and letting him lie on me? Tho he is so damn wriggly might just wriggle off!

Have cracked open the 3-6 month vests and babygros this morning, he looks like a little fat pudding in them as too big round middle! Not far off tho.....

Oh I need to sleep today. Hats off to those of you who hav had this all along, wonder of I'm joining you permanently? Ah well, take it as it comes. Off to wash oneself whilst he batters the life out of baby gym

X

cheesymonster · 29/11/2012 10:15

Bella I'm so sorry about your news, I hope your DH finds another job soon.

crazypaving · 29/11/2012 10:29

oh god bella I am so so so sorry to hear about your DP. How unbelievably shit Sad Not much I can say really is there. I hope somehow this situation comes good. Thinking of you, really big hug Thanks

hufflepuffle · 29/11/2012 11:20

I have made an executive decision! I am not following plan to return to work at start of Feb. asked Locum to stay on another month. March it is and will see if I can make a reduced days compromise for that. They are coping excellently without me and this first 6 weeks has been so hard, I just wouldn't be ready.

Feel so much better for the decision.

Olivess · 29/11/2012 11:38

Hi everyone. I'm sporadically posting at the moment as never seem to find a spare hand to type. I've been reading nearly every day though...

huffle I had the same positioning problem and now have to hold baby olives really high due to perky boobs, it's a bit of a pain but did stop a lot of the nipple discomfort!

bella so sorry to hear about your DH. Such a nightmare but I'm sure it'll work out in the end even if it doesn't feel like it now.

Baby olives is 6 weeks today and the past week or so have been quite difficult, she's been waking loads in the night. Some nights only sleeping for an hour at a time and taking ages to settle. Last night was a little better she did a 3 hour sleep then an hour and then another 2.5 hours after. She had also slept for 4 hours in the evening on DH while I slept so I feel much rested today and so much more positive.

However tired I've been I have been getting out every day - it makes me feel so much better. Today I've a big walk planned to a village nearby to start the Christmas shopping.

yomping sorry to hear about your dad. It's very stressful, my dad was in hospital for 6 weeks at the end of my pregnancy and when DD was born, it was horrible and just got a phone call from DM today to say that he is back in hospital this morning but we're hopeful it's not too serious.

Best wishes to everyone else. Hope everyone has a lovely day. Got to dash as DD is squawking....!

hufflepuffle · 29/11/2012 12:20

Olivess sorry to hear about your dad, hope he recovers well.

So so glad to hear your DD behaving just like mine as only 1 day apart on age!! Makes me feel v relieved and hopeful that it is a phase.

Been hypnotising him to sleep for past hour in swing with hideous noise. Otherwise he won't sleep and be even crankier. Squawks when put in Moses basket during day at the mo. Even settling him in it last night was so hard when before he stayed asleep! The second his head touches it his eyes shoot open snd he screams! where did my lovely sleepy baby go??!

YompingJo · 29/11/2012 13:05

Belatedly joining the Fuck Off club... bean has turned into monster over last few days and nights. Suspect over supply may be root of all my problems as it would make her very gassy and uncomfortable - check, make her put on weight fast - check, 11lb 14 at 5.5 weeks and like Huffle, about to put her in 3-6 month clothes as she is bursting out of 0-3. It would also make her poo profusive and green - check.

I am officially hating breastfeeding. I hate leaking through my bras at night, even with double breastpads in place. I hate the difficulties we are having with latching, I finally have a solution but it requires me to make her do more work and she's not pleased about it so it is a battle every feed. I hate the spurting every time she comes off the boob, and having to mop it up and frequently change clothes. I hate all the paraphernalia like special cushions etc, I just want this to be sodding easy and involve a boob and a baby and nothing else. I hate sitting there with one boob permanently hanging out between parts of feeds, as she takes several breaks, anything from a minute to 15 mins. That I hate the most. I feel so undignified and awkward and embarrassed. I tried to get DH to understand by asking him how he would feel if he sat there with one testicle permanently hanging out! It's not sexy, it's not funny, the novelty has worn off and I just feel stupid but it's still easier than clipping bra cup back up then taking it down and doing this several times mid feed when she decides she wants a break. I also get very self conscious and annoyed when DH watches without offering any kind of support as I feel silly sat there with boob out. And I hate how upset and angry and frustrated it is making me because by now it should be easier but it is just a permanent struggle and effort.

Last night I lost it and shouted at bean Sad. She has started writhing around after every night feed, arms and legs waving around and thrashing and hitting the mattress, grunting and making assorted other noises. Cries if swaddled, won't settle. It is making co-sleeping awful. Night feeds are meant to be peaceful, feed laying down then both drift off to sleep. It's like she has not been told this! She now takes over an hour to settle after each feed at night, as she has to poo after every feed (all books say this should have stopped by now) and nothing seems to help her speed it up (hence me suspecting over supply issue). But in middle of night with half asleep DH not helping, it all got too much and I shouted at her. Feel like awful mother, it's not her fault, she is doing her best and not doing anything on purpose. I am a total cow and do not deserve to have such a beautiful trusting little person in my life Sad

The last few nights can fuck off, and breastfeeding can fuck off.

Sorry for Bella about your DH, for Olivess about your dad - mine is still in hosp Sad, for Livvy about fight and lack of sleep, for Orenishii and Mickey about crap hvs and their stupid advice re weight gain and for everyone else in the Fuck Off World club. Thank God for DH taking bean this morning so I could catch up on sleep. But I still feel shit and I still hate breastfeeding right now.

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Lizzietow · 29/11/2012 13:05

Sorry to hear about your Dad olivess.

Sorry I've not posted much, too. I do read it though!

I just had a question- how much and for how long do your little ones sleep during the day? Mine is so sleepy and for example has just been steadfastly asleep for 3 hours through teo car journeys and a v loud toddler group. Got her up a couple of times but stayed asleep on my shoulder.

See her natural bedtime seems to be midnight- sometimes later! She does have a couple of naps in the evening and I keep putting her down at 7:30ish after a bath so she eventually gets the picture. But I'm worried she's sleeping too much during the day.

Beeblebear · 29/11/2012 13:21

loopy ds also had dropped s night feed here and has started in the evenings. Fun fun. I fond that letting him sleep a bit more in the day, and not going out so much has made him much happier the last two nights. Though as i type this at 6 am ds is hanging out awake in his swing as he will not go back down to sleep after waking at half five.

Beeblebear · 29/11/2012 13:22

mickey i would have been inclined to hand mw the last dirty nappy and tell her to weigh that! Ha ha ha

hufflepuffle · 29/11/2012 13:33

Ha ha ha Beeble, weigh THAT!! Brilliant!! Too true!!

Yomping, was wondering where you were. Yep, BF sucks. (ha! Sucky bloody little monsters!) and it is no fun feeling like a cow. And now we've all convinced ourselves to do it. As I said other day, it may be 'natural' but it sure as hell does not come naturally at all. And I confess... I too shouted at DS this morning at 5am ish. Had fed him, fell asleep quickly, assumed the best, got mega screeching when tried to put him down. Asked him in a too loud voice what the hell his problem was???? Blush Blush Sad. I too feel like shit. I've nearly hugged the life out of him all day. Sorry your dad still in hospital. Hard for you all. Relieved too that you also in 3-6, I'll not call your little lady a monster, but my little man bloody well is......

DS now been asleep for 2.5 hrs, I hypnotised him too much with feckin white noise..... But we hav a docs appointment and I need him to wake up. A aargh!!

Beeblebear · 29/11/2012 13:36

zara good luck on your trip!

crazy happy belated birthday. I hope you get a "make up birthday day" and have a child free poo and maybe an afternoon nap even

hufflepuffle · 29/11/2012 13:39

Ha ha ha Beeble, weigh THAT!! Brilliant!! Too true!!

Yomping, was wondering where you were. Yep, BF sucks. (ha! Sucky bloody little monsters!) and it is no fun feeling like a cow. And now we've all convinced ourselves to do it. As I said other day, it may be 'natural' but it sure as hell does not come naturally at all. And I confess... I too shouted at DS this morning at 5am ish. Had fed him, fell asleep quickly, assumed the best, got mega screeching when tried to put him down. Asked him in a too loud voice what the hell his problem was???? Blush Blush Sad. I too feel like shit. I've nearly hugged the life out of him all day. Sorry your dad still in hospital. Hard for you all. Relieved too that you also in 3-6, I'll not call your little lady a monster, but my little man bloody well is......

DS now been asleep for 2.5 hrs, I hypnotised him too much with feckin white noise..... But we hav a docs appointment and I need him to wake up. A aargh!!