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October 2012 babies - we meet them at last!

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YompingJo · 12/09/2012 18:48

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HoneyMum21 · 05/11/2012 12:12

Cherry def not irrational- if my MIL tries that (which she will knowing her) she'll be getting kicked out of the room everytime he feeds or out of the house permanently

Cherrychopsticks · 05/11/2012 13:26

Thanks for the reassurance. That would have driven me mad Crazy. Now I just have to figure out what to do about it, before I actually do punch her! Wink

Have to be at the docs by 10am tomorrow, should be interesting, not really got the hang of doing things to schedule yet! Grin

Kyyria · 05/11/2012 15:57

Well ladies, I'm an emotional wreck...

  1. BF is a complete nightmare. LO not latching properly so nipples are excruciatingly sore. Doing combinations of expressed milk feeding and formula to give them a break. Then milk still struggling to come in. Getting 40-50mls in 20 mins on one boon, and 5mls on the other - so using more formula than breast milk to top the LO up. Nipples so sore I don't even want to lie LO on my chest. Midwife was here today, was quite reassuring, and said she'd send someone out tomorrow to give me some extra BF support. Really want to crack on with BF but so close to giving up!

  2. DH went to tescos today. Out of the house for 90mins. His parents arrived just as he got back. I cried at everyone.
    Don't know if it was because of relief of getting through the 90mins or just generally feeling overwhelmed. Not looking forward to being on my own when DH goes back to work next week!

  3. Forget the last part of 2) ...still feeling generally overwhelmed by everything! And a bit panicky, but that comes and goes!

londonlivvy · 05/11/2012 16:23

oh kyyria I feel for you. The breastfeeding thing isn't as straightforward as we think it's going to be, is it? I had the same problem as cherr yesterday when bean was being floppy and just NOT latching, screaming her head off as the bloody nipple is right in front of her. I ended up in hysterical tears with DF trying to calm both of us. Anyway, it sounds like you're getting good support and I hope that comes through, but if it doesn't, I'm sure formula will keep your bean healthy and happy.

I verge between thinking "ok, I've got a vague clue what I'm doing here" and "oh my god won't she stop crying and I'm a terrible mother and how am I ever going to cope when DF goes back to work". Overwhelming it certainly is. Many many tears last night.

I have also found myself very concerned about the state of the world and the environment etc - I've always recycled etc and just been reasonably calm about doing my bit and assuming life will work itself out without thinking about it too much. But now I find myself worrying about the world into which we've brought our daughter. I feel very bad about using disposable nappies but am barely coping as it is and adding to that with a pile of nappies to boil every day would I suspect reduce me to a gibbering wreck. But what kind of a legacy am I creating for our daughter? I feel like a bad person and the world's screwed and oh god - why am I having such existential angst? Anyone else feeling like this?

cherry how ODD re MIL. I would not take kindly to that. Back. The. F. Off. I'm already finding the well-meaning advice from a distance a bit tricky (dummies are bad, apparently). Hope trip to docs goes well.

Smorgs · 05/11/2012 17:26

londonlivvy Yes I feel similar. My mind is constantly going at 100mph running through all sorts of random shit, mainly to do with the future. Find it really hard to get any naps in during the day because of it. I even lay awake last night for hours when the baby was asleep?! Have impending sense of doom that I'm going to collapse at some point.
kyyria really feel for you. I find expressing really painful, could it be that making them sore? Think I'm going to stop for a while and just bf but realise that might not help you in current situation. Flowers
cherry that would drive me mad. I think you're amazing for doing this without your dh around by the way. Doesn't he get paternity leave of is he taking it later?

Well first day alone wasn't too bad in the end. I drove mum to the airport so I had a bit more time with her. God it's like learning how to live life again though isn't it? Set off in car, baby starts wailing, pull into McDonald's car park to bf then set off again, wolf down lunch at airport, wave mum off, change baby in baby change room ( lord knows where I would have done that otherwise), drop magical magical dummy on floor so lose my 'get out of jail free' card for drive home, get out of car park just before being charged for extra hour, baby starts wailing again so pull into aire de picnic on motorway to feed, set off again, baby starts wailing just as I hit the complicated peripherique in Toulouse and I miss the exit. Anyway, wasn't too bad overall. Popped round to a mates house after I got home - he's moving to Paris and was one of the only people I knew in my new town Sad And by the time I got home dh was home.

Here's to a peaceful night all

Woolybob · 05/11/2012 17:36

Success - Finally persuaded bean that kari-me sling is an OK place to be, managed to put away a load of laundry, make a cup of tea and she's actually nodded off in it so have two hands to type!

Agree about BF - have similar problem some days here and am wondering if I'm just too quick to whip a boob out and she's not hungry enough to do it properly, I tend to assume all crying = hunger and I suppose we're getting to the point now when it doesn't.

[Cherry] I got annoyed when MIL just wanted to gaze adoringly, I would have poked her in the eye if she's behaved like yours. Boundaries people.

Anyway can't resist temptation to type out birth story now have 2 hands (for what it's worth - more about NHS administration than the joys of birth!).

Apologies in advance this is loooong... don't feel you have to read it I just feel like I want to get it down!

I was T+1 when my waters went in the middle of the night, just turned over in bed and drenched myself. Anyway phoned hospital as per MW instructions and they advised to come down first thing in the morning as long as I was happy I could feel the baby moving still and the fluid was clear. Cue one uncomfortable night lying awake on a towel! Anyway when down to the hospital and had to have the baby monitored for half an hour plus an internal to check I wasn't making it up and was then told that needed inducing within 24 hours to prevent an infection. They said they might be able to squeeze me in tomorrow but they actually had a free slot there and then if I wanted to just stay. This took me rather by surprise as totally expecting to be sent home but DH and I talked it over for 10 mins and decided that if that was the best thing for me and the baby we would just stay. Unfortunately by the time we'd decided this the slot had gone so we where told to come back at 8 o'clock that night. All well and good so went home, DH worked from home and we went out for lunch figuring it would be our last chance for a while. Got back to the hospital and sat in the waiting room 2 hours before a midwife came and told us there was no imminent chance of a bed and while we were welcome to sit in the waiting room all night, we might prefer to go home again? So off we went! After we got home I did start to have the odd contraction so cue another uncomfortable night on the towel, waiting to see if would go into labour naturally. The hospital rang us at about 5am to say they had a bed with my name on it and to get myself up, showered, breakfasted and down there. So off we went again...

They really did have a bed this time so got another 30 mins monitoring and examination (not dilated at all) so given pessary gel and told that couldn't leave the hospital but could go wander as long as back for second gel in 6 hours. DH and I then spent all day walking laps of the hospital, timing the contractions (which did get about 5 mins apart and lasting a minute but then seemed to stop completely by late afternoon Sad. We were due to be transferred from the induction ward to delivery suite at about 7pm to get hooked up to the drip and get going hopefully but surprise, surprise no bed on delivery suite! Getting more and more frustrated at this point and DH getting rather knarked off as they're made such a big deal about needing the induction within 24 hours and now well over this. Didn't help that two other ladies jumped ahead of us in the queue by cheekily going into established labour first Hmm. Anyway after another million laps of the hospital we got transferred at 3am. Tea and toast dispensed and drip put up (twice by MW incorrectly resulting in big swelling on the back of both hands and then successfully by the doctor in my wrist although he did manage to spill blood all over me and the bed!). Anyway still not dilated at all but when they checked 4 hours later had got to 2cms and contracting now every 2 mins. DH having great fun watching the monitor and telling me when I was having a contraction and how bad it was... very helpful but kept him amused. At this point they 'let' me have some gas and air (although made great show of pointing out normally they wouldn't! - until now had just been using my tens machine and had been given paracetamol + codine). There was then a shift change and the new MW told me that I was on a far higher infusion rate than they would normally put a first time mum on (no-one was sure why!) but as baby and I were coping they were going to leave it as it was and it would probably take about 6 hours off my labour. Everyone kept telling me I was doing really well with the pain relief and to be honest I thought they were being nice, it was only afterwards I was told an induced labour is 40% more painful (although how they can be that specific I've no idea!)

Anyway when I was checked again after another 4 hours (by the MW then the student MW) I was 6 cms and the MW told me they would check again in 4 hours but she would be very surprised if hadn't delivered by then so to call her back if I started to get a sensation of pressure in my bum. By this point I was totally delirious on the gas and air and I bit confused (at one point I asked DH if we were in France) and I asked DH to get her back as I felt a lot of downward pressure already and had no idea what would be different (plus I was going to ask about more pain relief..). Anyway when I told the MW this she asked if she could examine me again and then asked the student to get the delivery kit! (So no time for more pain relief!) I found the next bit a bit scary and overwhelming, felt like I had no control over my body and when she told me she could see the head and the baby had lots of hair I burst into tears as it was suddenly so real. When it came to the actual pushing I was absolutely spent and really didn't feel like I had the energy to do it, we tried as many different positions as you can lying flat on your back on a delivery bed (so much for all that prenatal yoga!) but it felt like a real one step forward, two steps back affair! After I'd been going an hour they said they would have to get a doctor but that I was so close they wanted to let me go a bit longer so once the shift leader had OK'ed it I just kept going and after about 1hr 20mins I managed it. The MW got me to lean forward to watch once the head was out and that bit was amazing. The baby was turning towards the midwife but then of her own accord decided to turn the other way and sort of shoved with her shoulder to twist 180 degrees and emerge facing dad. Obviously has a mind of her own. Anyway needless to say she was perfect and it was all worth it! It's true I have forgotten the pain although I do remember the placenta being delivered very clearly as it was absolutely disgusting and hurt! The MW did give us a little tour of it though and said she could tell I'd had a nice healthy diet while pregnant and not smoked just from looking at it Hmm

So there you go - thanks for reading if you made it to the end!

Midgetm · 05/11/2012 18:16

Greetings earth mothers Grin

Hope your nipples are crack free and your mother in laws keeping their hands to themselves.

Kyria sorry you are having a shit time breast feeding. It took me ages to establish exclusive with DD. hang in there and don't beat yourself up. I've not found it plain sailing this time and I've done it before. Angry

cherry my mil did the same when I had DD. she used to lift my muslin up and peek underneath it. Drove me crackers, flashed my nipples to all and sundry and made me very Hmm.

Well I have over achieved over the last few days. Been out and about, drove to Sussex and flashed off the baby to my family, cooked for friends and today had lunch out with DD and DS, walked the dog in the woods, went shopping and generally had a really lovely day. No longer so scared of having both the children on my own. thank fuck Only bummer is that DD and DH are off to a brilliant firework display and I can't go as the baby has a cold so would probably be a bit foolish to drag him out. but still normal life is resuming and I like it. Think master midge went 4 hours last night but not sure as i tend to feed half asleep. Feeling like I am exiting the fog of childbirth and coming out the other side. hope I've not now cursed myself for a couple of hellish days now

I know what you all mean about feeling a bit jealous of DH's spending more time with DC1, I am a bit Envy and it is an unattractive emotion but I can't help myself. Right I bestride go and do something useful.

hufflepuffle · 05/11/2012 18:28

Not nice first day on own. Sad

Lots of crying and 5 steps backwards on nipples, v v v sore. Prob not helpful that I went to bed last night with pads instead of shells. Dunno what wrong with little dude, think he missed his daddy.

kyyria hope I get your attention. So sorry to read about ur BF woes. I've said it before on here but if ur latch ok and nipples just bloody wrecked due to hungry mega feeder, can I suggest breast shells?? They allow your nipples to recover without rubbing on clothes or pads. Perhaps I am wrong but I think they r great. Hideous looking under clothes but who gives a feck right now?????

Must go eat, sorry not to respond to u all

Hugs xx

squidkid · 05/11/2012 19:17

jess not sleeping at all and only stops screaming when she is in motion (ie in the sling whilst we are walking) ... been this way since saturady 2am

I am going out of my mind

We did a long hike (5hrs) this mroning (on no sleep) which was nice while it lasted and then it's been nonstop screaming since getting home

I really thought we were getting somewhere recently, this is as bad as she's ever been :( :( :(

londonlivvy · 05/11/2012 19:36

Squid that sounds awful. Could you go to the doctor or something. Yes, I know you are one and I don't wish to teach you to suck eggs but we were firmly told at NCT that you should get unusual bouts of crying checked out. This certainly seems unusual?
Sorry and huge hugs. I wish I had a magic wand to make her calm for you. Xxx

Huffle sorry you had a bad day too. I am dreading next Monday when DF goes back to work. This last week has been fantastic on a love and relationship point of view. His unswerving love, support and calm company have been above and beyond anything I could have hoped for. I'll miss him horribly - especially with bloody uni three nights a week. Ah well. We will get through this.

Right. Off to bed with me. It's rock and roll round here. DF is at uni.Sad

Midgetm · 05/11/2012 19:41

Strokes for huffle and squid this bad spell will pass. But in the meantime I shall blow raspberries at your shitty days.

LoopyLa · 05/11/2012 19:54

Thank God for Mumsnet!

I'm also massively crapping myself at the thought of being alone with the baby next week when DH goes back to work. In all seriousness, how do you go to the loo or shower when you have a baby? Where can you safely leave them? Or do you leave the thought of doing anything until they're asleep? And if they are being a Velcro baby, how the hell do you get anything done???

I feel so stupid asking all these questions, for the millionth time, I'm asking why the frig isn't there a manual ???

How's everyone else managed? Oh and Baby Loopy apparently doesn't like rocking or dummies - I thought these were universal in creating happy babies Hmm

hufflepuffle · 05/11/2012 20:09

Will not bloody stop crying! Surely this must be colic. MW scoffed at infacol . Advised a homeopathic remedy called R37 instead. As a scientist I laugh at homeopathic remedies (but delight in herbal remedies like echinacea and arnica!!) but think worth a go!

Anyone heard of?

DH currently pacing hall whilst I expire on sofa

Angelico · 05/11/2012 20:17

Hugs all round, seems like everyone is suffering at the minute in a variety of ways :( It has to all get better doesn't it? And special hugs for all with BFing problems and for Squid because after the screamathon last Monday I know it is shit when they won't stop. Agree with others who say worth ringing MWs or something to check nothing untoward but last Mon seemed to be a one-off evil day for the bean and hopefully this is the same with Jess Thanks

Our bean is behaving herself (for now...), but my bloody boob on the other hand is an absolute arse and on to second stronger antibiotic Angry Breastfeeding sucks! (ha ha, geddit? Quite the comedian I am...) Fecking ducts! If it doesn't resolve in the next week or two I will be jacking the BFing in which will be a shame but can't live with intermittent agony on top of everything else :(

Midgetm · 05/11/2012 20:38

Huffle this site has good info

www.medicinenet.com/script/main/mobileart.asp?articlekey=325&page=2

Sorry cant make it a link as on my phone.

crazypaving · 05/11/2012 20:40

Lots of hugs all round.

I don't know about anyone else, but with this baby malarky I find everything really intense. On good days I'm on cloud nine, thinking my life is awesome, I love my family, and everything is rosy. On bad days, my life is effectively over, it's never going to be liveable again, I've lost myself and will never have a night's sleep or just an evening with DH ever again.

Somehow finding balance for both the lows and highs is tough when a) you've had no sleep and b) babies are so emotionally and physically demanding.

I don't have any answers, sadly - but nothing lasts forever, babies have good spells and bad spells, and things change quickly.

Easy for me to say today - I had a decent night's sleep last night for the first time in a week (up 3x to feed, slept after each feed straight away thank heaven), DS1 with childminder today so had a chilled day and nice long walk with baby. Tomorrow will probably all go tits up as I have both DSs with me alone and nothing planned. Trying not to feel terrified, and not worry if everything goes horribly wrong. Relax and go with the flow or something similar.

Loopy I have a shower before DH leaves for work, which sadly involves getting up at 6.30 but I value my shower highly. Going to the loo either involves leaving the baby to cry, or doing something undignified and logistically difficult with baby in sling Grin NB if the baby cries for a couple of minutes while you wee the baby will be ok.

Right I think both DSs are asleep so I'm going to make the most of it and catch some z's! Night, and good luck everyone!!!!

hufflepuffle · 05/11/2012 21:03

Thanks Midget that site useful x

Beeblebear · 05/11/2012 21:41

huffle i know exactly what you mean about only knowing how to calm little oneby putting a boob in the mouth. I think dh does a much better job at the calming and winding bit. I just feed our change him. Oh well. I will learn.

londonlivvy · 05/11/2012 21:57

Crazy, just to say ABSOLUTELY re intensity of emotions. I either feel joy or doom.

Elpis · 05/11/2012 21:59

LoopyLa I remember wondering this first time round. Put on shower. Stick baby on changing mat on floor or in bouncer. Enter shower. Sound of running water sometimes calms them but in any event mutes wailing.

So sorry to hear of breast feeding woes. In haste but just to say you can call La Leche helpline with difficulties. www.laleche.org.uk/pages/about/helpline.htm I know LLL has occasional reputation as hippy weirdos who hate ff but honestly that isn't true - at least not of any other members I've met.

hufflepuffle · 06/11/2012 05:14

Good absence of wee hours posts, folks!! Hopefully means good night all round?? We hav just had exactly 5 hrs sleep, woken with dirty nappy and feeding well. All that crying must hav tired him out!! Here's hoping v bad day followed by v good day. Not sure if will go out anywhere or not. Think trauma of that wound me up too much!! Had visitor today tho and no one tmrw, might be v v long day.........!

Happy Tuesday all
Xx

hufflepuffle · 06/11/2012 05:33

Oh thanks for all replies on gurgly tummies. And thanks for all support for v bad day.

What would we all do without this fab support?? I love you all!!

Xx

Cherrychopsticks · 06/11/2012 06:22

Loopy, I'm pretty sure this isn't right but...my little one is fairly straight forward during daylight hours - I feed him, let him fall asleep on me for a bit, transfer to cot where he'll sleep for 2 hours, then wake happily for next feed and repeat. So once he's down I know I have some time to myself, and I'll have a shower while he's sleeping. Our bathroom is close to the bedroom, I poke my head out at regular intervals and shower very quickly. Does this make me a bad mum? Blush
As for the loo, I just go whenever, unless I'm feeding. (getting good at one-handed feeding, so could go whilst feeding but seems a bit unhygienic! Grin) Usually Baby is asleep in cot, if not then I'd put him in the baby gym. It's not like he can go anywhere. This will obviously have to change once he starts moving around.

I really don't think it hurts them to cry for a bit if it's unavoidable. In fact, in Japan (and in Korea too, I found out the other day), they like to hear a new born baby cry. I think they think it exercises their lungs, Hmm and a big strong cry shows the baby is healthy. I, however, think this is bullshit and can't stand to hear my baby cry, but interesting cultural difference.

After an awful night of waking every hour or more and feeble 5min feeds, our first major expedition to the docs went well today. No probs on the subway, did a bit of shopping, hardly any crying, fed in public twice, changed nappy in public toilets. It was the first time for most of these things, so I'm happy Smile but best of all, Baby has put on loads of weight so I must be doing something right! Grin

squidkid · 06/11/2012 06:22

thanks guys

I'm pretty sure she's not ill - she's feeding and having lots of nappies - and she stops screaming sometimes, she just won't sleep...

We managed to get her to sleep for about an hour around midnight and we should have napped but we had sex instead because we miss each other so much :( It was worth it

She's been settled since then, just very very awake... I think that's about four hours sleep total in 3 days...!!

I have a dentist appointment in a few hours and boyfriend says he'll take her for the morning at least... I don't know if I have the energy to get out of bed even if it is full of lively baby. Didn't eat all yesterday either :(

squidkid · 06/11/2012 06:24

I mean is it a problem /worry that's she's slept so little...? Confused