December 2011 - crying and grizzling (and that's just the mums!)

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FairyBayleaf DC1 EDD 6th Dec BORN 29th Sept Albert Elwyn 2lb 14oz
Tjuice DC2 EDD 21st November BORN 7th Nov Amaya Rose 3kg
Sevensevenseven DC2 EDD 20th Dec 25yo Southwold BORN 21st Nov Eva Rose 5lb 4oz
Girlwiththemouseyhair DC2 EDD 24th Nov Maggie Juliet BORN 25th Nov 8lb 9oz
YBR DC1 EDD 22nd Dec BORN 25th Nov (girl) 6lb 3.5oz
LittleBlueBoat(Cheeptrick) DC2 EDD 5th Dec 29yo S.Yorkshire BORN 26th Nov Hope Brynn Frances 8lb 9oz
Kri5ty DC1 EDD 13th Dec 26yo Manchester Boy BORN 29th Nov Saul Harrison 6lb 13oz
LauraSmurf DC1 EDD 3rd December Girl BORN 30th Nov
BeeMyBaby DC2 EDD 29th November 25yo Scotland BORN 1st Dec Safia Hawwa 7lb6oz
SoTiredOfTheWheelsOnTheBus DC2 EDD 7th December BORN 1st December Boy 8lbs5oz
Iggly DC2 EDD 2nd December South London BORN 2nd Dec (Girl) 8lb 1oz
Girlsyearapart DC4 EDD 6th December BORN 3rd Dec (Boy) 7lb 7oz
HoneyLovesCake DC1 EDD 2nd December Cornwall BORN 6th Dec Rocco Kaleb 8lb 14oz
Mmmmcheese DC2 EDD 25th December 32yo BORN 7th Dec (Girl) 7lb8oz
Itsybitsy08 DC2 EDD 6th December Boy BORN 9th Dec Kieran 8lb4oz
Msbuggywinkle DC3 EDD 13th December 27yo BORN 10th Dec Miranda 8lb6oz
OiMissus DC1 2 December, 39yo, Horwich, Bolton BORN 10th Dec (Boy) Alistair Jude 9lbs
jigglebum BORN 11 Dec Freya 7lbs
Pludophtherednosedreindeer (plupervert): DC2 EDD Dec 10 (Kent) BORN 12 Dec Helena 8lb 6oz (3.8kg)
NorthernChinchilla- EDD 19th December, BORN 12th Dec, Boy, 7lb 7oz
Jomouse DC1 EDD 2nd December 35yo London BORN 14 Dec (Girl) 5lb 8oz
Tyelperion DC1 EDD 3rd December 27yo Windsor BORN 14 Dec (boy) 9lb 8oz
KateM77: DC2 EDD Dec 10 34yo BORN 16 Dec Daniel James 8lb 6oz
BennyBenBear DC1 EDD 5th December Manchester/Bolton BORN 18 Dec Oliver Stephen Bolton 8lb 9oz
Kiteflying DC2 EDD 7 December 44yo Australia BORN 18 December (Girl) Lulu 8lb 14 oz
mopsytop DC1 EDD 25th December BORN 19 Dec 6lbs 11oz
AWomanCalledHorse DC1 EDD 22nd December BORN 21st December 7lbs 6oz (Boy)
Figgygal DC1 EDD 12 December 30yo Bath BORN 22 Dec Daniel James McMillan 9lb 4oz
Kitty5824 DC1 EDD 21st December 33 yo Manchester - Don't know BORN 23rd Dec, Boy, 7lb 14oz, Sebastian John
Aethelfleda DC3 EDD 27th December London BORN 3rd January, Albert Thomas William 8lb 10 oz
hawthers DC2 EDD 22nd December London 33yo BORN 28 December 7lb 4oz (boy)
LittleMissFlustered DC3 31st December BORN 6 Jan (boy)
hopeful1 BORN 6 Jan Noa Francie Kate 10lb 3oz
MissRee BORN 12 Jan 12 Freya Violet 7lb 7oz

Re:rolling. My LO rolls onto his side when he's hungry (our lying down feed position), but has not rolled over completely. I must build in more tummy time coz at the moment, there's no reason for him to be interested in rolling over completely.
I tend to agree that swimming lessons at this young age may be a bit OTT. I'm glad I enrolled us in this class, just so I can build my confidence of handling him in the water, and get ideas of what to do whilst in the water. I haven't enrolled for the second series of classes as I'll be back at work, but also I think I'd prefer to continue swimming with him with DH at weekends.
Gutted that PuddleDucks doesn't allow photography.

mopsy DD had a temp for 5 days after her jabs and it went up to 38.4 a few times. My GP said to keep up the calpol and that he wasn't worried unless it went on for over a week or went up really high and wouldn't come down with calpol.

DS didn't evem get a temperature after his!

Who was it whose LO had a BCG jab recewntrly? DD has hers in a couple of weeks - is it bad? And is it in the arm or leg?

BCGs are in the upper left arm. They take a while to heal too as they are meant to cause a local reaction. (nhs criteria vary, but unless you are elegible for one in babyhood they dont do it for your LO at all). I'm planning to pay for my DCs to have it in their teens (like we all did at school) so they will be protected if they travel/move as students/young adults to TB-ey places.

As DC3 this baby is going to be denied most clubby things, though I got a cute neoprene swimming bodysuit age 6-12omths from the Muddy Puddles website (highly recommended outdoor wear website:their sales are especially good. Clothing Sizes come up very large tho: 4 year old DD2 still just in her 1-2 yr raincoat!!)

air just wanted to send you some virtual support as dd2 had the worlds most horrific excema as a baby.
I used to think I should never have had her it was so bad.

She is 3.5 now & it's so much better now mainly on her hands & feet. It seems it's majorly diet related as she has many allergies & is an epipen carrier.

Kate feeling your pain H was sleeping through but has now decided it's not for him..

Re rolling - he went from back to front for first time yesterday.

Re swimming- I am a swimming instructor if anyone had questions I'm happy to (try) to answer them.

darcies hope things are looking up

I've got to try more tummy time... Maybe waving a nipple at a hungry DD will reconcile her to it (thanks for the idea, OiMissus!) - although it has to be at the right time, as she;s such a possetty little thing.

Welcome home, OiMissus!

DD will probably have BCG jab before we go to DH's (EEur) family this year.

Blergh

Sore throat over here and ds2 has the most hideous cough. Really hope it doesn't develop into something awful.

Still just found a double decker that I put on my drawer before going to bed and they hve medicinal qualities so I've eaten that, am sure that will help...

Ds1 had his bcg in his upper ARM and it didn't bother him at all.

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Hi all thanks for reassurance! Minimopsy still warm and feeding at odd times/not taking as much formula as normal butbits awful screeching has stopped. It's so heartbreaking to see your child so palpably upset but not really know how to help them, I now have splitting headache!!

I was going to take her to swimming lessons but had no idea they were so dear. Think will just take her ourselves and splAsh about and get her lessons when she's a little older and can actually learn how to swim. What age would that be? Three or so?

Another one here who has been slack with tummy time LO is great holding his head up usually but the minute put him on tummy he face plants the carpet and cries so feel guilty and pick him up.

He has his first jabs today should i arm self with infant calpol in readiness?

Figgy if you don't have calpol then its a good idea to buy some, but I think most drs advise (at least that I've met) not using calpol and just cooling them down by removing layers of clothing/cool cloth etc.

The BCG is fine at the time, just about six week later when it starts to turn into a scab it can get pussy.

I have a lurgy:(

Eureka was fun. We survived trains, though I'd not advise rush hour on a major station to anyone. The train was fine, but the concourse was rammed as two trains were late so three commuter trains worth of hacked off people were lurking there >_

Morning! Propping self up with coffee today, DD2 was up crying in the night (really unusual for her) a lot and I couldn't get back to sleep. Miri was unimpressed with being disturbed!

mopsy hope she is lots better by now.

lmf sounds unpleasant! I'm doing trains to Birmingham for a Science fair next month, managing to go earlier and come back later than rush hour though if all goes well! De-lurgy quickly!

I don't do tummy time. If they are in a sling a lot they use the same muscles anyway and my elder two were both sitting at 4mths, DD1 was 16 weeks to the day (despite being prem), DD2 was somewhere between 4 and 5 mths.

pluto yeah, we have to time the tummy time well, else he just ends up covered in sick.

LMF glad you enjoyed Eureka, sorry you've got the plague though, hope you feel better soon.

mopsy sorry to hear your LO had a rough time with the jabs. Squeaker had his yesterday too and the screaming was just awful.

hawthers, if the double decker doesn't work, I hear chocolate buttons might!

beemybaby FB group is sorted, PM me and Ill add you?

Am very jealous of all the rolling babies. Squeaker has great head control and will happily lie on his front, or propped up on the tummy time toy we got from mamas and papas, but shows no signs of rolling. He doesn't spend a lot of time on his back because he cries, but we're working on that and this week he seems more interested in his play mat.

Jabs yesterday were horrible, he screamed when they did it and then broke down into those really sad choking sobs they do. I was a wreck, we came home and spent the whole afternoon cuddled on the sofa. He wailed all night, didn't really want to eat and eventually fell asleep on DH, eventually put him down in his basket at about 1, he lasted until 3 then had a feed and fell asleep in my bed. He looked so sad, I didn't have the heart to move him. We've been having lots of cuddles this morning and he seems much happier. He didn't get a fever (thank god!), so we didnt need the calpol. Got to do it all again in 4 weeks!

What's everyone up to today?

Morning all

Think DS may have hit his 3 month growth spurt a bit early; my nipples are tired >_< I nursed him from 6:30-10:30 last night stopping only to change sides, he is insatiable. I've tried distracting him to give me a bit of a rest but if he's awake he wants to eat. He needs a nappy change from the sound of it but he's just finished breakfast & is sleeping in my arms & I don't want to wake him :(

Really interesting to hear about sling time vs tummy time msb; DS isn't impressed with tummy time so I haven't been forcing the issue. I'm glad to hear his muscles will still get the exercise they need :)

I have an orthodontist appt this afternoon which I'm guessing will be painful due to last weeks infection but he said he should be able to tell me today how much longer I'll have to wait before my braces come off so I'm quite excited

Easily I just pm'd you about the FB group; not that I use FB much but I thought I'd prove I'm not a 60 year old man pretending to have a baby support the group :)

God, I'm mean. I can listen to crying without my heart breaking, especially if it's injection-related or when DS has hurt himself by doing something bloody silly again.

Hopefully, though, I'm just repressed, and not completely mean... I do love them, but after DS spent weeks crying his head off every evening at a certain time, because he was just so tired he couldn't sleep and couldn't do anything else, I kind of became able to keep myself sane in the face of sustained screeching, and even to babble soothing noises, while forcing myself to think of something else.

Science fair sounds good msb :o We had no real choice over rush hour, eureka closes at 4 and Halifax is devoid of stuff near the station so we trogged back through to Leeds to await our connection >_<

Lurgy is head cold I think. Sinus, throat and headaches. Taking paracetamol and hoping it trundles off sharpish:)

I've been wondering about tummy time too; the HV was very keen, but he just looks so pathetic, and then brings up milk, so I'm not too sure! I'm sitting him up in chairs which he seems quite content with.

Felt I earned a competent mother badge yesterday; managed trip out to shops, three loads of washing, a load of drying and a mahooosive minestrone from scratch, and didn't loose/forget/ignore child!

The only thing I didn't manage much of was MN, and as I'm off to work today, probably won't manage much again... Lent abstinence is catching

We're just waiting for one more response, and then I'll PM everyone re. meet up, either tonight or tomorrow.

Hoping various lurgies are banished and LOs are feeling better after jabs!

Thanks.

Darcie has been a nightmare - worse than before Sky was born - its not a jealousy thing tho as she is brilliant with Sky. She just won't be told NO :( so bad that shes throwing things, slamming doors, being aggressive, ultra-sonic screaming, the list goes on....

We've had to get a referral to CAMHS as its been so bad. She's making me feel like a bad parent...I try so hard everyday to give her all the attention & love that she needs. I let her go to stage school, Rainbows & swimming lessons as she wants to do all these things. At least once a day I get told she hates me :( DP is getting frustrated with her behaviour and taking it out on me by being nasty (I know he doesn't mean it tho) and threatened to walk out on me & the girls because he can't take her behaviour anymore - crying now! so i'm getting it all ways. I'm trying to be good for Sky as I don't want her to see her sisters terrible behaviour. I feel like a crap parent even tho i'm trying my hardest. My GP said I'm a wonderful mum and more so because I care about Darcies behaviour enough to get something done about it. I feel so low because of it.

Sorry to rant, I'm at my wits end :(

DarcieandSkysmum, I think you need a namechange, to something more about you!

Children go through phases, and they can be mended, otherwise there wouldn't be services such as CAMHS. Could sleep be playing a role, or something medical which is making her irritable but which she's not aware of? Also, the fact that she is older is in a way helpful, because there are so many more inputs to her life now, and it really is not all down to a mother. She could be getting stressed because of school, friends, something she saw on television or read, or, indeed her father!

As for him, I can't believe DP is making such threats - how would he react if you turned it around and asked him what he would do if you took Sky and left Darcie to him?! After all, he'd have it easier than you, as he wouldn't have the newborn to deal with as well, hey? Threatening to leave you with both is monstrously selfish, not just because it would be selfish to do, but because it's selfish to put all the blame for it on you (and if he does blame you for her behaviour, he's showing he doesn't care enough about her to take her away from your supposed bad influence!). Does Darcie miss him during the day, for example? DS often says forlornly to me at night that he misses DH, and wants him to come home.

Sorry I've lost track, but what's happening about you getting married? Is that adding stress to your lives at the moment as well?

Following NC's comment, another update on Bluewater meetup:
With just Sequin's input left to get, Monday lunchtimes look best, with only one "no" (and that's me, so I am happy to make the sacrifice for the greater good! )

Anyway, it's always possible to do a longer "slot" and have people overlap. Mondays look good for that kind of arrangement, too. Now we just have to find the right Monday, and we're in business!

And speaking of outings, that science fair sounds amazing, msbuggywinkle. Are you going to see anything in particular? Are DDs 1 and 2 doing different things?

P.S. Sorry the sinuses are hurting, LittleMissFlustered. I can't imagine the changeable weatheris helping, either!

Best wishes for all the sick and sicky babies and mums!

Oh, Honey, missed your post, but just had to laugh about your being a 60yo man pretending to have a baby! He'd have to be pretty bloody well-informed, or actually be cutting and pasting posts from another forum to ventriloquise... in both of which cases, why bother to solicit more interaction with us?

BTW, Easily, if we do join the FB group, can our other FB friends see who's members of the group, or anything about the group?

(Yes, Oi, I am being paranoid again )

I am beginning to wonder whether the baby gym is the answer to getting DD to have her morning sleep. She's fallen asleep quite a few times after a vigorous session of exercise, and is, indeed, now yawning! (and to make up for her crapness in doing tummy time, she can grab and grasp the rabbit foot and yank it to and fro!)

Thanks Plu

Darcie is a good sleeper so that's not an issue. She misses her dad when he's at work and always gives him a great big cuddle when he gets home. He is a brilliant dad and has a lot more patience with her than I do, when she does go into one, he try's to calm her down and take her out if needs be, which works most of the time. I know he loves me and would never walk out but her behaviour has been going on so long now and this weekend was horrible and I hate saying that about my own child but she can be really bad :(

WRT to wedding all of that is on track and no stress there as all booked and under control.

Things have been a little tense because of Darcies behaviour and its getting us both down, esp as we work together as a team to try and deal with it and it seems nothing works no matter what we try. When she is good we have a happy household. The only time DP & I argue is over Darcie's behaviour when it is so bad. Its almost like she hate me/us for something but won't tell us what. It took us 2hrs on saturday to get out the door because she didn't want to...I told her she was scaring Sky with her screaming etc and she said she didn't care. Just tired and at my wits end and don't want Sky to see this everyday as its not fair on her, us or Darcie tbh.

Sorry to hear you're having such a hard time Darcies. even though you say it's not a jealousy issue as she's great with sky, perhaps she is jealous of the time you have to give to sky? She was an only child for a long time, it must be a shock for her to no
Longer be the sole centre of attention? Just an idea. Hope things improve soon for you, sounds incredibly stressful.