December 2011 - crying and grizzling (and that's just the mums!)

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FairyBayleaf DC1 EDD 6th Dec BORN 29th Sept Albert Elwyn 2lb 14oz
Tjuice DC2 EDD 21st November BORN 7th Nov Amaya Rose 3kg
Sevensevenseven DC2 EDD 20th Dec 25yo Southwold BORN 21st Nov Eva Rose 5lb 4oz
Girlwiththemouseyhair DC2 EDD 24th Nov Maggie Juliet BORN 25th Nov 8lb 9oz
YBR DC1 EDD 22nd Dec BORN 25th Nov (girl) 6lb 3.5oz
LittleBlueBoat(Cheeptrick) DC2 EDD 5th Dec 29yo S.Yorkshire BORN 26th Nov Hope Brynn Frances 8lb 9oz
Kri5ty DC1 EDD 13th Dec 26yo Manchester Boy BORN 29th Nov Saul Harrison 6lb 13oz
LauraSmurf DC1 EDD 3rd December Girl BORN 30th Nov
BeeMyBaby DC2 EDD 29th November 25yo Scotland BORN 1st Dec Safia Hawwa 7lb6oz
SoTiredOfTheWheelsOnTheBus DC2 EDD 7th December BORN 1st December Boy 8lbs5oz
Iggly DC2 EDD 2nd December South London BORN 2nd Dec (Girl) 8lb 1oz
Girlsyearapart DC4 EDD 6th December BORN 3rd Dec (Boy) 7lb 7oz
HoneyLovesCake DC1 EDD 2nd December Cornwall BORN 6th Dec Rocco Kaleb 8lb 14oz
Mmmmcheese DC2 EDD 25th December 32yo BORN 7th Dec (Girl) 7lb8oz
Itsybitsy08 DC2 EDD 6th December Boy BORN 9th Dec Kieran 8lb4oz
Msbuggywinkle DC3 EDD 13th December 27yo BORN 10th Dec Miranda 8lb6oz
OiMissus DC1 2 December, 39yo, Horwich, Bolton BORN 10th Dec (Boy) Alistair Jude 9lbs
jigglebum BORN 11 Dec Freya 7lbs
Pludophtherednosedreindeer (plupervert): DC2 EDD Dec 10 (Kent) BORN 12 Dec Helena 8lb 6oz (3.8kg)
NorthernChinchilla- EDD 19th December, BORN 12th Dec, Boy, 7lb 7oz
Jomouse DC1 EDD 2nd December 35yo London BORN 14 Dec (Girl) 5lb 8oz
Tyelperion DC1 EDD 3rd December 27yo Windsor BORN 14 Dec (boy) 9lb 8oz
KateM77: DC2 EDD Dec 10 34yo BORN 16 Dec Daniel James 8lb 6oz
BennyBenBear DC1 EDD 5th December Manchester/Bolton BORN 18 Dec Oliver Stephen Bolton 8lb 9oz
Kiteflying DC2 EDD 7 December 44yo Australia BORN 18 December (Girl) Lulu 8lb 14 oz
mopsytop DC1 EDD 25th December BORN 19 Dec 6lbs 11oz
AWomanCalledHorse DC1 EDD 22nd December BORN 21st December 7lbs 6oz (Boy)
Figgygal DC1 EDD 12 December 30yo Bath BORN 22 Dec Daniel James McMillan 9lb 4oz
Kitty5824 DC1 EDD 21st December 33 yo Manchester - Don't know BORN 23rd Dec, Boy, 7lb 14oz, Sebastian John
Aethelfleda DC3 EDD 27th December London BORN 3rd January, Albert Thomas William 8lb 10 oz
hawthers DC2 EDD 22nd December London 33yo BORN 28 December 7lb 4oz (boy)
LittleMissFlustered DC3 31st December BORN 6 Jan (boy)
hopeful1 BORN 6 Jan Noa Francie Kate 10lb 3oz
MissRee BORN 12 Jan 12 Freya Violet 7lb 7oz

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Hawthers sorry that you are having a rough time, don't feel guilty about the mixed feeding you are doing what is best for your LO and you have done brilliantly to carry on with the BFing. I can't imagine how hard with the slow weight gain must be.

Coolhand glad that you had the all clear, although those needles sound painful hope you have a good rest.

Figgygal good news re the part-time working, I am hoping to go back three days a week (from full time) I am popping into work next week and will make a formal request- my boss is really nice so hopeful he will get HR to approve the request.

Help / advice needed....

My LO has been getting upset when I try and feed her (bf), or feeds for about 5 minutes then starts crying at me and won't stop until I sit her up. This happened about 2 weeks ago, but she went back to feeding ok and it started again yesterday. Any ideas what could be wrong? Thanks in advance.

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Not sure , could she be taking a lot of air in?

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Thanks everyone for the advice on the birth debrief, reassures me that i'm not making a fuss over nothing! Had a lovely weekend with my boys, DSS spent several hours showing DS wrestling moves with a variety of DS's cuddly toys as wrestlers, while DS stared at his big brother adoringly, it was very cute :-)

Have been quite lazy with any attempt at routine/bedtime so far so have given it a go over the last week and starting trying bottle bath bed at 6 oclock feed and most nights has resulted in DS dropping one of his night feeds which has been nice. He's just slept from 7pm untill waking up at 2am for his feed, fingers crossed it continues.

Hawthers, sorry to hear things are difficult with weight gain, it sounds as if you've done amazingly with bf though. My mum told me that all the health professionals made lots of fuss about my weight gain/growth as a baby as I dropped off the charts, but in the end gave up as i seemed healthy but was just destined to be a small person :-)

Hi all! Not liking thecsound if the needle *Coolhand^ but great news that it's nothing to worry about.

Does anyone else's baby thrash about a bit on the bottle? Minimopsy is doIng that now, making lots of noises, twisting head from side to side and kicking her little legs and waving her arms frantically but she's still keeping the teat in her mouth and drinking. She only does it some feeds. Any ideas why anyone?

So we are still on 17:30ish feed, bath, bed; 23:30ish feed; 3:30ish feed. Longing to drop this middle of the night feed but how can I encourage it? Tried giving her an extra feed during the day for a week but she just took in less at each feed and still woke up at 3ish. She was sound asleep at 11:30 and woke her up to feed. Should I have left her sleep? She guzzled her bottle though once up and is doing so again now so obvs hungry. She's 9 weeks now but still not massive (around 10lbs)-so maybe she just still needs that middle of the night feed? Sorry for long me post but would appreciate advice...thanks!

mopsy I would say that its still very early to be expecting her to drop the 3.30 feed. Personally I would stop worrying about it for a few weeks and she'll drop it on her own when she's ready.

On the other hand I am getting seriously disheartened with DD's night feeding. She used to go 4 hrs between feeds at night but think it has been 3 weeks now that she's dropped to 2 hourly feeds at night and 3 hourlyn the day. She won't go to sleep until 10/11, then wakes at either 1 or 2 so I get a chunk of 2/3 hrs, then every 2 hrs so I only get a maximum of one hourly chunks after that as it takes an hour to feed and then wind her. DS is then up at 7 so on a typical night I get 2 hrs, then 1 hour then 1 hour as she usually is unsettled after one or more feeds so I don't get back to sleep after it. It is killing me! And I don't get it after she used to go for 4 hours, and still does sometimes in the day.

I've tried co-sleeping and feeding on my side but my let down is too much for her and the milk comes out of her nose. I've tried a dummy but she gags on it. She's in a cot right nextr to the bed so when she wakes I try soothing her and holidng her hand etc. Sometimes it works for 10 mins but she will insist on a feed. It can't be a growth spurt lasting 3 weeks can it?! She's on 91st centile and 13lbs 10 - a big girl! Don't think I have suPply issues either. Just starting to feel really desperate from lack of any decent sleep. :(

Mmm - that sounds rough
H woke at 415 & is refusing attempts to get him back to bed.. Dd1 woke at 540 I told her it was still night but I'm not holding out much hope..

Oh dear Mmmm, that puts things in perspective for me! It's awful having to survive on so little sleep :( hope she improves very soon.

stellieboo I'm a first-timer so not much experience, but my guess is the same as aethel's, it could be she's taking air in. I'd try winding her often during the feed and/or trying different feed positions.
mopsy my LO thrashes about for the second part of feeds during the day/evening. It often means something else is going on -but he still wants his milk. It often turns out to be a big fart or poo, but not always. Again, I try and wind him, he'll arch his back and go stiff as a board and scream at me sometimes. And whilst thrashing he'll yank and tear at my nipple, oh I can't wait til he gets some teeth.
I'm goig back for another hour. 'scuse. Z z z z

seven, the tendonitis is in my wrist and along my thumb, from a combination of holding him, co-sleeping in the safe position and the bf. It doesn't help that I'm seriously hypermobile so bits go into positions they're not meant to! Was yours in the same place? I've had splints suggested, but if I can get tubigrips for that area that help, that would be marvellous- do let me know!

My LO does this on the breast mopsy. At some times it was the evening grumps; sometimes an explosion was due the other end; sometimes he was just overwrought and there was no reason. Really bloody irritating...

I could write a very similar post mmmm, so big sympathy from me especially as you're having to manage other DCs- my LO (only a bit heavier and only a few days younger, so no answers there) is doing the same. Again, he was going for chunks of three, occasionally four hours in the night, but now... We also go to bed 10/11, and then it's a 1-2am feed, then 3-4, and then hourly ish (what with the thrashing, although the cooler room helps as we're co-sleeping).

Last night he got his 'daddy snack', just 60ml of ebm at about 9pm, and slept til just gone 3am this morning, so I got a full four hours!! before it went back to 1-2 hour chunks. I'll be doing this again, don't know if it's worth you trying an ebm/formula top-up in the evening?
It is really but I have a horrible feeling we've just drawn the short straw when it comes to bf babies and night sleep.

Off to town today to get a 'naice' bottle of sherry for stepmum and go to a cafe for a slab of chocolate cake as DP discovered how much of his posh chocolate I've nicked over the past few weeks

Yep, wasn't it in the papers a month or so ago that breast-fed babies are grumblier and harder to settle, and don't sleep as well as ff babies?

Morning!

hawthers as far as when to do the ff goes, really you want it to be an extra feed rather than replacing a bf. So aim for a time when he doesn't usually ask for a bf, which I appreciate is difficult. As far as protecting your supply goes, daytime is better than night for the ff as your levels of prolactin are higher during the night (and bf is more convenient!) And just in case you don't have a copy of the ff making guidelines...www.nhs.uk/Planners/birthtofive/Pages/making-up-formula.aspx

Feeling lots better today, so have waved educational stuff at the DDs, sent a giant email to DP with stuff to print for me, done the washing and negotiated a successful nap! Naps are getting a lot easier here now, she is actually allowing me to sit down after going to sleep in the sling!

Coolhand that's great news, what a relief for you.

Hawthers don't feel bad about the mixed feeding. You have been, and are doing, a great job.

DS slept 8.30-5 last night Poor little man was then rather sick due to the amount of milk gushing out at him. Still, he went back to sleep until 7.50. DD woke at the same time having had a good night with no crying out. She's back at nursery today and I'm hoping she's finally well and lasts the day there.

Due to the good night I've been very productive today. I got up at 7 and had showered, hairwashed, dressed, hairdryed, even put on make-up, breakfasted, unloaded dishwasher and put away the washing up before they were up. DS went to sleep in car seat when we dropped DD off so I've cleaned the kitchen and had some time sitting with my feet up earting toast and drinking

I have to say, I find the NHS advice re: making up formula completely unrealistic. Imagine having to wait half an hour for the kettle to cool in the middle of the night with a screaming baby. It's just not feasible. Why did they change the guidelines from a year or so ago I wonder? Were babies actually getting sick from formula stored in the fridge I wonder? And, if so, was that formula in fact prepared in thoroughly clean conditions? I can't really see how bacteria wd have time to grow in a few hours in the fridge, especially if bottle/hands/work surfaces etc were clean.

mopsy some formula milk is contaminated with Enterobacter Sakazaki and salmonella due to current production methods. Obviously, both are seriously nasty bugs and Enterobacter has caused some deaths recently (you may have heard about a milk recall in China which brought this into the public eye.) The WHO actually changed the guidelines in 2006, but it has taken a while for them to filter through.

There is a good study here

Just read the WHO guidelines and, while they recommend preparing each feed fresh, they state that it is fine to store prepared feed for no more than 24 hours in a fridge at less than 5 degrees, for practical purposes. So storing made up bottles for nighttime feeds is fine. That has reassured me. I don't mind making up feeds fresh during the day (I store the boiled water in a thermos so it stays above 70 for several hours) but it is far too much faff in the middle of the night and, actually, I am so sleepy that I'd worry I'd put in too much/little powder and so on. I think if I am very careful to make sure everything is sterile, bottles, my hands, surfaces etc. and the fridge is at the right temperature, that it should be fine. Well, that's what the WHO guidelines say anyway.

Hello, everyone!
Well, I have my new computer, but still haven't managed to transfer old e-mails and other data, and every time I try, it's soooo time-consuming!

I have sent NorthernChinchilla a link to the "poll" about a SE/Bluewater meeting, to determine which days (and times of day - the latter most important for people with DC already) are best for people, and perhaps we can suggest a limited number of dates based on that. Everyone will be able to see what other people have put, so it will start to become clear what day(s) is(are) best.

Please PM me or NC for the link; I don't want to put it on the site, for privacy reasons (it might show my e-mail address, and will show my name).

Thanks for the link msbuggy !

plu are you Beyonce? (and therefore worried about your name getting out?) If so, did you really make your latest video post-natally? I can appreciate tis possible to get the bod back in some shape, but how the hell have you got your boobs all soft and lovely, and not looking like blue-veined sacks of pebbles? I would appreciate your sleb secret.

Marking place, will read thread when DS goes to sleep (ahahahahaha).

Quick check-in before preschool run and park: OiMissus, surely Beyonce's not the only one who doesn't want her name getting out (and I'm amused that you think someone as square as I am could be Beyonce!). I checked the poll just, now, to see if anyone had replied (sad as well as square), and saw it had my e-mail address on the page as well - definitely don't want that getting out! Spam is intolerable, being soooo ungrammatical and badly spelled!

P.S. no advice on the body, I'm afraid! My bosom has got the heft of sacks of pebbles, too!

oops! Someone recommended these on another thread and they just fell into my basket. I justify them as Miri has had erm...one new item of clothing thus far!

I was sent some by a friend msbuggy, they're ace! Miles better at stopping the dribbles into those practically-impossible-to-clean neckfolds!

Those neckers are ace! I've bookmarked them for when I'm more solvent:o

Sorry for me me me post not had chance to read through all thread today but MaSSIVE clingy baby alert cant put him down or he cries and as hes 13lbs and wrists are still shot to shit (dr says to give it another month then they'll investigate non pregnancy causes) its getting tough to indulge him. He wont self soothe to sleep either i think ive ruined him already carrying him around/cuddling him all the time for first few weeks any ideas how i fix this?