December 2011 - crying and grizzling (and that's just the mums!)

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FairyBayleaf DC1 EDD 6th Dec BORN 29th Sept Albert Elwyn 2lb 14oz
Tjuice DC2 EDD 21st November BORN 7th Nov Amaya Rose 3kg
Sevensevenseven DC2 EDD 20th Dec 25yo Southwold BORN 21st Nov Eva Rose 5lb 4oz
Girlwiththemouseyhair DC2 EDD 24th Nov Maggie Juliet BORN 25th Nov 8lb 9oz
YBR DC1 EDD 22nd Dec BORN 25th Nov (girl) 6lb 3.5oz
LittleBlueBoat(Cheeptrick) DC2 EDD 5th Dec 29yo S.Yorkshire BORN 26th Nov Hope Brynn Frances 8lb 9oz
Kri5ty DC1 EDD 13th Dec 26yo Manchester Boy BORN 29th Nov Saul Harrison 6lb 13oz
LauraSmurf DC1 EDD 3rd December Girl BORN 30th Nov
BeeMyBaby DC2 EDD 29th November 25yo Scotland BORN 1st Dec Safia Hawwa 7lb6oz
SoTiredOfTheWheelsOnTheBus DC2 EDD 7th December BORN 1st December Boy 8lbs5oz
Iggly DC2 EDD 2nd December South London BORN 2nd Dec (Girl) 8lb 1oz
Girlsyearapart DC4 EDD 6th December BORN 3rd Dec (Boy) 7lb 7oz
HoneyLovesCake DC1 EDD 2nd December Cornwall BORN 6th Dec Rocco Kaleb 8lb 14oz
Mmmmcheese DC2 EDD 25th December 32yo BORN 7th Dec (Girl) 7lb8oz
Itsybitsy08 DC2 EDD 6th December Boy BORN 9th Dec Kieran 8lb4oz
Msbuggywinkle DC3 EDD 13th December 27yo BORN 10th Dec Miranda 8lb6oz
OiMissus DC1 2 December, 39yo, Horwich, Bolton BORN 10th Dec (Boy) Alistair Jude 9lbs
jigglebum BORN 11 Dec Freya 7lbs
Pludophtherednosedreindeer (plupervert): DC2 EDD Dec 10 (Kent) BORN 12 Dec Helena 8lb 6oz (3.8kg)
NorthernChinchilla- EDD 19th December, BORN 12th Dec, Boy, 7lb 7oz
Jomouse DC1 EDD 2nd December 35yo London BORN 14 Dec (Girl) 5lb 8oz
Tyelperion DC1 EDD 3rd December 27yo Windsor BORN 14 Dec (boy) 9lb 8oz
KateM77: DC2 EDD Dec 10 34yo BORN 16 Dec Daniel James 8lb 6oz
BennyBenBear DC1 EDD 5th December Manchester/Bolton BORN 18 Dec Oliver Stephen Bolton 8lb 9oz
Kiteflying DC2 EDD 7 December 44yo Australia BORN 18 December (Girl) Lulu 8lb 14 oz
mopsytop DC1 EDD 25th December BORN 19 Dec 6lbs 11oz
AWomanCalledHorse DC1 EDD 22nd December BORN 21st December 7lbs 6oz (Boy)
Figgygal DC1 EDD 12 December 30yo Bath BORN 22 Dec Daniel James McMillan 9lb 4oz
Kitty5824 DC1 EDD 21st December 33 yo Manchester - Don't know BORN 23rd Dec, Boy, 7lb 14oz, Sebastian John
Aethelfleda DC3 EDD 27th December London BORN 3rd January, Albert Thomas William 8lb 10 oz
hawthers DC2 EDD 22nd December London 33yo BORN 28 December 7lb 4oz (boy)
LittleMissFlustered DC3 31st December BORN 6 Jan (boy)
hopeful1 BORN 6 Jan Noa Francie Kate 10lb 3oz
MissRee BORN 12 Jan 12 Freya Violet 7lb 7oz

hi all, wow busy thread! I did 11pm and 7:30 am feed and husband did 3:30 am one so missed the nightshift.

Still not sure about the teething plu. she's still grizzly. Trying anbesol liquid.

Flabbergasted at some of the comments made by partners. Surely both are responsible for having the baby! The 'you wanted one' argument is bullshit. And as for the 'I'm paying for everything', it's not like us mums are at home sitting on our arses! I feel really fortunate to have such a supportive husband who truly sees it as a team effort and shares everything. I do the night feeds cos he has to get up for work but he does 11pm feed and nappy change. He's usually not home in time to bath her but if he is, he does and he does it at the weekend and also does night shift so I can sleep through. Sorry totally not trying to be smug as I'm very fortunate but just a bit shocked at some men's attitudes.

Wow jealous of the sleep kri5ty!

Oh and plu, I can feel bumps on upper and lower gums but no idea what it should feel like so can't tell. Definite tiny White dot on lower gum though. Is that a tooth?

Morning ladies - just about managing to keep up with the thread! We had a lovely day yesterday for DH birthday. Presents in bed in the morning (Ds gets so excited about birthdays, it is really cute) and then we headed out to a trail centre for a day of biking. We did our first en masse cycle with freya in the trailer (in her car seat) and ds on his balance bike and us on our bikes. We then took it in turns to look after the dcs and do some of our own riding. I was very unfit but it was nice to be out doing something - we have spent too many saturdays doing diy recently. DS was a star on his bike and spent lots of time on the skills area going up and down the bumps there - he is scarily good for a 3 year old.

Re age gaps, just remember it cannot always be planned! we wanted a 2-3 year gaps between ours but it took us a year of ttc and then a miscarriage and then a few more months and we have 3 and half year gap. Actually it works well for us as ds is more independent (eg can now go to the toilet alone, fetch me things when I need them etc) and goes to preschool 2 days a week so I have time just with freya.

I wish we had a routine - I do think it will become easier when I switch more to bottles, as it did with DS. I am just aiming to get to 3 months now and then gradually switch over. EASY routine does not work here either as she often falls asleep with a feed but will go down to sleep awake happily if full.
Very jealous of the ones going through the night. A good night is 10-4 here but last night was back up at 2am too as DH failed to get her to take the bottle at 10.

Sympathies re DHs not pulling their weight and moaning. I find I have to tell DH to do stuff- he just doesnt pick up on it and even then he can complain! (see previous posts for examples!!)

Lovely day here so might walk into town. DS is generally dry at night now so might bite the bullet and stop night nappies, but need to get some mattress protectors first I think!! DH and FIL are laying the kitchen floor.

Hope everyone has a good day

Am v jealous of the routine and the sleep Kristy.
Too early to say if LO is ok this morning. We've had one explosive up the back poop again, and a tiny bit of sick. He's feeding now, so I guess we'll soon know.
Can I just say that my DH is great with me n LO - the perfect dad - but he isn't perfect. (didn't want to sound smug)

That does sound like a tooth, mopsy. Is the gum itself white? That's the advancing tooth cutting off blood flow! Mind you, DS has had white "spaces" for his molars for years now, and he's only 3y10m!

I'll let you know how things advance plu, only tiny white dot so maybe imagining it!

Re: husbands totally didn't want to sound smug either! I think small babies are hard on any relationship. I know I'm a but more grouchy than normal and need to keep a very close eye on myself to make sure I'm not being too selfish or thoughtless.

Oi You?re welcome to use a loo at any time. I had to clean them all this morning, that?s something I could live without. A play patio sounds very posh indeed!

Plu Yes thanks, there?s been a definite decrease in tantrums this weekend, but then DH is around too so DD is getting more attention!

Off to change the third poosplosion in a row. We?ve had nothing all day and the little monkey has stored it all up for when DH has gone out to do jobs in the garden

Panic over. The third one turned out to just be an almighty fart

mopsy very true here too. I am not the loving wife I used to be. I'm probably more impatient, definitely snappier and always smell a bit of baby sick. (this is so very far away from the image I had in my head of the glamourous, made-up, everything in control mummy I was going to be. In fact, this is the mummy I will be before mid-April!

Plu Thanks I think the new name works well for me at the moment.

We've had no tantrums but that is because my parents offered to have Darcie so we could have a break this weekend. She's back at around 3:30pm so will let you know how things go.

Sky had a restless night - so hoping tonight will sleep thru like she normally does.

We wrote out our wedding invites today :) and DP been in the garden putting my new raised beds down and just made me some dinner.

DP kinda leaves me to it when it comes to the girls & the housework. I'd rather do it that way he can't complain he has to walk around and do something that I should of done! He does however, make sky's bottles for me (sometimes).

Oi I like to think i'm a glamourous yummy mummy. I try everyday with my appearance as it makes me feel good I just fit it in with daily routine! Or at least I try to lol

Determined loving the name change.

Sitting here with a poorly, projectile vomitting DD1 and a grumpy DD2. Still haven't showered so I probably smell worse than you Oi. Dear lord I hope the baby doesn't get the virus.

re: having another one, I was adamant this was my last baby but now I really really want another . DH isn't convinced. So many variables to think of with three. We would need to get a bigger car, childcare costs would be monstrous, the dynamics between the two dds now is lovely what would another do? why does that voice deep down say that my family isn't complete. Would definitely have to leave it for a couple of years at least to make it afford so will wait and see.

WRT having child no3 I think we will be trying on our honeymoon in Sept. 11 child-free days in St Lucia so thinking a honeymoon conception might well happen then I def think no3 will be our last one.

Darcie's been home less than half hr and first tantrum is currently under way!

She sounds Determined, too! What on earth did she find to kick off about, in such a short time? Is it anything you can laugh about?

Yup i have just changed as LO puked all down me which doesnt happen often it was a stealthy one where you think its just wind then feel the warm trickle down your arm.

Am sat watching the rugby very pissed off we had our washing machine fixed back in november its plumbed into a joining wall with the lounge well it looks like its been leaking ever since as our wood flooring in the lounge has all buckled and warped. Our sofa is aling that wall but today noticed a problem with one of the boards pulled the sofa away and the whole floor is buckled, bubbled etc looks awful so now looks like we need to refloor the whole of the lounge/dining room which is all open plan. The washing machine is now out of action (great with a baby) until the repair guy comes to look at it DH furious and hysterical so looks like a battle on our hands with either the repair guy to cover costs or our insurers. Fuck fuck fuckity fuck

As far as more DC goes...Miri is supposed to be our last, means we are done before we both turn 30, tis more practical in a lot of ways...but...we are both broody already!

plu we probably will have a yurt for a while, the grander plans require lots of time and money! Love those pods, think DP would go a bit bonkers though!

It took us ages to settle down after DD1, our relationship was really rocky for a while, but by the time she was a year old we had it sorted.

Routine wouldn't work for me, I enjoy chaos

Plu DP wanted to sit down with her and log into the school portal for ICT and do some stuff that she needs to do and because she didn't want to she kicked off breathe.....breathe.....

Figgy Hope your machine gets fixed soon

It has been a busy day here on the thread!

As he didn't sleep on Friday, DS has been making up for it, and is currently on his fourth proper sleep on the day, and in his cot too (and given such variability on the sleep front we've got no routine!). Have had my Dad and little brother round (Step Mum ill and little sis is waaaaay behind on homework) and watched the football. It's been six weeks since my Dad saw DS, and was cheeringly taken with how he's developed, and how chunky he was. He was also rather surprised that DS's favourite place is on his back on the floor...

That's such a bugger about the washing machine figgy, both now with it being out of action (what will you do?) and with it knackering the floor.

We're having fun with the teeth here; DS has been a little drool machine, and I'm surprised he hasn't chewed his fist to the bone, but at least he's not been in pain.

On the age gaps, I really don't think there is a perfect or terrible time. My Mum and her sister hate each other (2 years); my partner's eldest two siblings despise each other (5 year gap), and yet the next two (DP and his sis, 8 year gap) have been great friends, and also both get on with the other two (between 5 and 16 year gaps).

And I'm really sorry to hear we're having to break out the big fish for some DPs, that's not on. I think in agreeing to have children it's a tacit agreement that it's going to be a shared 'project'. I know the thread won't be any practical support, but I hope it can at least be somewhere to vent.

Bring out the gin determined! how else can you retain sanity?!
figgy that sounds extremely grrrrr inducing. Haddocks to all faulty appliances.
LO has just woken up from a pretty serious afternoon nap - he went down at 3 - so i'd better get ready for him. DP (back from stag weekend with a croaky voice) is currently entertaining him.

Oi It got worse - she screamed over a carrot & tin of fruit all calm at the moment - she's up playing in her room.

Hi all, we finally DTD this afternoon!!! I had two cocktails beforehand (!!!) (yum yum) cos was really nervous after all the stitches. But it was great! Didn't hurt at all. So relieved and happy. Was so nervous. Phew!

Poor minfusam; hope she feels better soon and doesn't pass it on!

haha, "carrot and a tin of fruit". Sounds like the archetypal toddler "broken banana" tantrum (see [[http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/behaviour_development/801370-Illogical-reasons-for-tantrums-in-toddlers-Share-with-me-please/AllOnOnePage here). Why is it that when children behave babyishly or toddlerishly, it's never the appealng, squishy side, but the raw fury, screaming, emotional incontinence...? At least the ICT strop was teenaged more grown up!

figgy, now's the time to make someone be a friend locally, and organise a washing playdate! Although I'm sure no-one will think to offer (a friend of mine has a broken washing machine when the DSs were little, and apparently I was the only one to ask her round to wash! I hope that doesn't come across as a boast; I felt quite sorry that she would have had to ask, rather than being able to choose between offers!

msb, for some reason, i'm relieved you're still going to get your yurt!