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seven77 · 20/02/2012 17:38

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msbuggywinkle · 25/02/2012 23:40

oi I don't think that there is a 'best' age gap, different things will work better for different families. Having said that, I have two gaps of 2yrs9mths and it has worked wonderfully. If you suspect illness, I would feed as much as possible, it will comfort him and you will be making antibodies to help.

I haven't been to sleep yet...have been having a bonkers wobble and trying to distract myself long enough to go to sleep! Going back to my book now.

OiMissus · 26/02/2012 01:48

I'm still awake. I came up about an hour ago, but DH is away and I'm stupidly feeling paranoid.
DS was burgled 2wks ago - when we babysat my nephew as DS and BIL went away for the wkend.
Of course this house was empty for 2wks, what if burglars stillthink it's empty? (doh! Perhaps the car in the drive, the lights on...) Silly, I know.
I shall try and put these silly thoughts out of my head and get some sleep! Blush

aethelfleda · 26/02/2012 03:02

oi, if your LO is being sick you need to keep feeding him to repkace any lost fluid: if you're BFing (sorry can't remember, it's 3am!) then nurse as often as he will accept, the milk gets absorbed very quickly so even if he throws up every trn minutes he'll still get some fluid in. If you're FFing then give usual bottles for now but offer boiled cooled water in between. Either way he's smsll so ring your out of hours doctor im the morning as they can advise you and will prob want to check him over as babes can easily get dehydrated. If you are more worried then ring sooner. they may wNt you to give dioralyte if you're ffing, if BFing then frequent nursing is the best. Good luck hon.

AWomanCalledHorse · 26/02/2012 03:37

So I'm awake but DS/DH are asleep. Damn everything!!

Easily, we ff, DS is 9wks & taking 5-6 bottles a day.
Wetry to go 4hours between feeds, but whenever we get into a routine with the feeds he mixes it up by sleeping for 6hrs, he's really good at going down at 7pm & not getting too excited before 7am.

Oi, sorry to here your DS was burgled! And the silly thoughts, hope you get some sleep & LO feels better!

We're 'still' ttc asap, I'd like a small age gap as DB (5 yrs older) hated me when I was born, I remember how my I hated DS1 (5yr younger) for ruining 'my' family when she was born, and how much everyone hated DS2 when she was born 3yrs later. I don't want DS to remember not having a sibling, so they'll have to find something else to hate each other for!

hawthers · 26/02/2012 04:23

Hello night shifters

I feel like I've had some success getting ds2 more settled in the last week after someone mentioned the easy 'routine' (eat, activity, sleep, you) and i seem to have avoided the all afternoon grazing sessions which made doing anything a bit of a nightmare.

It could be my imagination but I think ds2 has fed better with the more defined feeds and he looks chubbier - maybe or am I just seeing what I want to see? Informal weigh in at home tomorrow so will find out then...

Lovely day yesterday, a lie in, walk in the woods, pub lunch, a cheeky shag while both ds' napping, a spot of ironing (totally unlike me but actually quite enjoyed it - Dh usually does all the ironing), rugby watching, pancake making, sausage sandwich for dinner. A successful day in my book, so why does Dh continue to whinge that life is shit at the moment?

girlsyearapart · 26/02/2012 05:04

That sounds like a fab day hawthers!

OiMissus · 26/02/2012 05:10

Hi ladies of the nightshift (the shift is silent Wink),
awch my DS is 1yr and 4 days older than me and hated me until she was 26 and got pregnant. We fought like cat and dog and she told me many more times than I cared to remember that: "I hate you, you are not my sister, I wish you were dead." (exact words) It wasn't pleasant. Was her jealously linked to me coming along and stealing her thunder or behavioural nature/nurture ( my dad is incredibly jealous and bad tempered)? Who knows? But having kids close together does not always a happy family make.
Got over silly paranoia, the light went off and sleeping ok -in-between feeds.
Have continued bf-ing on demand. He's not been sick or spat up overnight (he never does). He seems ok but not feeding for very long. Seems happy in his self though and no temp so not overly worried.
More z z zs required. G'night.

OiMissus · 26/02/2012 05:12

Yes it does sound like a good day hawthers but now I'm salivating at the thought of sausage butties! Grin

BJR · 26/02/2012 05:35

Easily - the last couple of weeks i've been trying to have a bit more of a routine and DS seems to be much more settled with a bit of structure. I also like the E A S Y routine that hawthers mentioned. I try to be quite flexible though, the only things that are fixed is i try and make sure DS has his first feed before 8 and then at 6 bedtime bottle and bath. This works for us as it gives enough time for him to feed another two times between but i give these when he wants them rather than sticking to a particular time.

I've found that his naps have become a bit more predictable by giving the day a consistant start and end.

Its all gone to pot with DS jabs though, he is very grotty bless him. Usually i manage to get most of the things done without having to get DP to help but with DS needing so many cuddles adter jabs and today wanting extra feeds its really made me notice how little DP is helping.

Ended up with me going to bed early with DS after i asked DP to change his nappy while i sorted a bottle out. I said he didn't like doing it and then started to get all stressed with DS's crying. In the end I got fed up and left him to it.

But its made me very cross as i've realised that DP hasn't changed a single nappy since DS was two weeks old, has never given a bottle or helped out at night (he usually just puts the duvet over his head to block out DS crying at night as he knows i'll get up really quickly). In 2 months I have had a total of half an hour away from DS as DP just won't do it. Hes lovely at playing with DS and they are very sweet together but as soon as DS needs something he just hands him back regardless of whst else i'm trying to get done.

Tried to talk to him about it but all i got was the you wanted children line (sympathies to everyone else whose DPs have also uttered this) then he pointed out that he pays for everything now i'm off work so i should feel lucky and stop complaining ... I gave up at that point and decided bed was the best option.

Sorry for rant but need to get it out of my system so i can start tomorrow feeling a bit more rational. DS has finally fallen back asleep as I type so fingers crossed i get a couple more hours sleep :)

LittleMissFlustered · 26/02/2012 05:51

for your prat partner BJR

hawthers · 26/02/2012 06:52

Worth pointing out that they were an active participant I'm getting into the position in the first place so it is a bit late pulling that line?

Arsed the lot of them [outraged emoticon]

LittleMissFlustered · 26/02/2012 07:42

Haddock are too small for them... Should we break out the tuna? Or perhaps the swordfish:o

Mmmmcheese · 26/02/2012 07:48

I don't understand how to do thr EASY routine - how on earth do you stop LO falling asleep after a feed? That's just when DD wants to sleep!

No kind of routine here, just keep trying to stuff DD full of milk in the day so she goes longer at night. She still won't go to sleep until 10am at the earliest. She'll then do a 4 hour stretch but its 2 hourly after that. No idea how/if I can change this.

Difficult to say what's best in terms of age gaps. I have 2 years exactly and finding it tough. Also found having morning sickness and looking after DS the worst - pareticularly nappy changing and feeding him would make me want to throw up! But I guess you7ll get that anytime.

I have two questions: put DD in a bumbo yesterday and she seemed really happy and comfortable but they say from 4 months and she's 3 months, can it do any damage?

Also, keep getting a blocked duct in the same place. I do hot compresses/shower, massage, lots of feeding and it goes away but trhen comes back a couple of days later. Any advice?

Can't remember who said thewy had a good day but their DH was complaining how tough things are. I have exactly the same thing here!

hawthers · 26/02/2012 08:37

It was me mmm Dh can't cope with both ds at once but expects me to.and do more in the week grrr.

Gap of 2yrs and 4 months and it's rough too. Think it is just hard with more than one - we'll be leaving a longer gap between them next time.

I've had a problem with

hawthers · 26/02/2012 08:41

A blocked duct and now I know where it comes out in the nipple, I make sure that it is flowing part way through a feed and then ds does the rest. If I don't I find a couple of days is the timeframe for it to get painful.

Easy routine doesn't work all the time and its just a vague thing I'm doing here. I have found that I need to rouse ds after feeding as he would naturally be rather sleepy but once he is up he is pretty active and it helps him not to snooze in the boob all day. Feel like he is feeding better because of it but no evidence to back that up. Also helps me to.figure out why he is crying!

Mmmmcheese · 26/02/2012 08:57

I don't understand how to do thr EASY routine - how on earth do you stop LO falling asleep after a feed? That's just when DD wants to sleep!

No kind of routine here, just keep trying to stuff DD full of milk in the day so she goes longer at night. She still won't go to sleep until 10am at the earliest. She'll then do a 4 hour stretch but its 2 hourly after that. No idea how/if I can change this.

Difficult to say what's best in terms of age gaps. I have 2 years exactly and finding it tough. Also found having morning sickness and looking after DS the worst - pareticularly nappy changing and feeding him would make me want to throw up! But I guess you7ll get that anytime.

I have two questions: put DD in a bumbo yesterday and she seemed really happy and comfortable but they say from 4 months and she's 3 months, can it do any damage?

Also, keep getting a blocked duct in the same place. I do hot compresses/shower, massage, lots of feeding and it goes away but trhen comes back a couple of days later. Any advice?

Can't remember who said thewy had a good day but their DH was complaining how tough things are. I have exactly the same thing here!

Mmmmcheese · 26/02/2012 08:58

Sorry not sure how I managed to post that twice!

scoobyd00 · 26/02/2012 09:02

I'm a big advocat of the EASY routine, both DS fell into it. Read the baby whisperer for full details but once they've fed gently rouse them or change their nappy. After a day or two they'll soon get the hang of it. It's really helpful as you know whether they're crying because they're hungry or just tired. It also means they don't have to feed to fall asleep.

Sympathy goes out to those with DP being v unhelpful. The only advantage of my DH being away a lot is that when he is home he helps out a lot. He's also never allowed to even hint that he may be tired!

I agree I don't think there is an ideal gap. 23 months is definitely hard work at the moment but I'm hoping it will get easier once they can play together.

Off out for a walk to enjoy the lovely sunshine here in Norfolk.

seven77 · 26/02/2012 09:37

scooby where in Norfolk are you? I'm in Southwold so only 15 miles from the border.

Sorry to all of those with unhelpful partners. DH does his share of feeds and changes when he's here but won't bath her as he's afraid of breaking her (his exact words) and the housework still gets left to me.

BJR perhaps you should tell him that he should feel lucky that you've given up work to look after his child.

I'm not sure there really is a perfect time to have another baby. DS was 3.5 when DD was born but I still found the early weeks a struggle, though DS is still very dependent due to his muscular dystrophy. I'm happy with the age gap between them but I want a small age gap next time as I wouldn't want DS to have a sibling 7 years younger. I wasn't close to either of my siblings, I think because they were 6 and 8 years older, my sister left home when I was 9. It's only now that we have our own children that we're close as we finally have something in common.

Today's plan is housework and gardening if Eva is cooperative.

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OiMissus · 26/02/2012 09:45

Dead rotting stinky swordfish for idiot partners. You have my sympathy. My DH has been a star so far with LO and me, and I've exclaimed out loud in the past reading posts about somebof your partners' antics - so he knows he's not allowed to say he's tired, etc. :)

AnAirOfHope · 26/02/2012 10:06

gel is - Diprobase ointment emollient Smile

Everyone is sleeping in our house except me!

Everyone is still ill Sad

I so want a sausage butty now Grin

I'm not very thinking stright at the mo, i put it down to lack of sleep and oxygen.

Roll on Spring and less germs!

plutocrap · 26/02/2012 10:10

Sorry to hear of all these sibling hatreds. My brother and I are almost exactly 3 years apart, and althugh there was real rivalry and we don't have much in common now, I certainly don' hate him, and never said so. These are some very sad stories. Sad I guess we ave o have faith in our own parenting and in the children's own characters, as any age gap could be a dream or a nightmare. Despite the experience with my brother, I am orety convinced it is due to our characters, and always thought 2 and a half-3years would work for my new family, and we now have a gap of nearly 4 years. Ithink it's working (so far) because DS likes DD, not especially because of the gap (although the gap did allow me to see how he interacted with baby sibs of his friends, and since he has always been fascinated by babies, it seemed safe enough to TTC! Grin)

hawthers, just you keep on the "feeding up" and distract yourself MNing overnight; pretend you're dreaming! Grin When are you going to weigh-in next?

LMF, are these headaches feeding hangovers, or is it the virus as well? Sorry you'reso under the weather. No doubt the stress of the hospital stay (and maybe a few bugs from there?) contributed... Sad

DeterminedandSpecial, that dish soundsdelicious! I'm very jealous... And the name is great; is it working for you yet? Smile

The thought of all these "unguarded nipples" makes me laugh, even though it's so true. Even DS, lomg since weaned, recognises rthe vulnerability and keeps telling me to "pull your top down" when I'm doing a burp-break in the feed.

Good gardening, msbuggywinkle! I keep seeing "plant such-and-such now, for colour in x months", but would fear for the life of any green thing under my brown thumbs! Shock
Moving inside,though, I thought you wanted a yurt?! I was jealous of your yurt. Incidetally, I thought of you hen I saw these!

EasilyBored, with a door open, the arrangement you arrangement sounds almost open-plan, no?

Have the antibiotics kicked n yet, Air of Hope? AS for the eczemai t's great that the gel is working, but don't be afraid to try different creams/moisturisers and chnges to routine (e.g. bathing), because some skins react well to some things, and badly to others (e.g. if a cream contains another ingredient which sets off a flare up). Some sensitivities seem to develop over time, too.

Good that things are being sorted, YBR. Your DD is very sweet!I love the profile pictre of her in the violin case, and it's good to know you continue to be a good mother t the violin, too, by putting it in the pram for safekeeping Grin

Hi, scoobyd00 and welcome. MN is a great social life and support when an oH is away. My DH was working away 3/4 days a week when DS was small, and that was when I really got into Mumsnet. It's miles beter thn television, not least because television never acknwledes its viewers, whereas on MN, people react to you, which really does help when you're lonely and bored. Smile

Ohhhh, seven, poor sleepy, grumpy Eva. Make sure to kiss the sore spot with your cold mouth when you come in from outside!

Speaking of unhappy babies, any more signs of potential teething, mopsy? I wouldn't have believed it with us except for the comments on here about early teeth (have you had any progress, SoTired?), but sure enough, DD is doing it. The gum bulges are quite subtle, though, so you do have to look/feel for them.
Anything similar, BJR? Or is it just baby gripes?

Is ali any better this AM, OiMissus? BTW, hope the sorting was fun, and that some of the nesting hormones are still there.I think I have some left over; I've started buying and reading decorating/design magazines! Shock

Hope the tantrums have been better over the weekend, Kate and DeterminedandSpecial

I've got falling-asleep-in-food videos, too, aethelfleda! I'm glad someone else doesn't think it's mean to capture them and glory n them. I can't see how they're so different from the gorgeous milk-drunk pics of DS, from when he was little.DD doesn't do that - she pulls off the breastandsettles down - so I'm not going to get another pass-out baby pic, unless a grandchild does it!

You shouldn't be apologising for ranting to us, Honey; DP's attitude is out of order, especially as this isn't even the Goa trip yet (is that still on?)! Everyone in my first antenatal group had problems with their relationship/ marriage after the baby arrived, and it generally does take the forms of not appreciating what the mother "does" all day (and all night) and thinking it's all right and normal to go out/off and leave you. However, his going out and going away sounds more extreme than most. No matter how good a mother someone is, she can become a better mother with the support of an OH, especially with more than one child (now that he has a sister, DS is really benefiting from being able to turn to DH). Yet - and I know this an awful and personal thing to say, if you talk about TTC while he is like this, it could give him the message that the childen are just for you, that they are the only thing you need to make you happy, and that he doesn't need to bother supporting you (even though that will help you become a better mother.)

plutocrap · 26/02/2012 10:26

Party time this weekend: DS has become popular! He even complained that he wanted to sit up at the table with the other children yesterday (it was a loud house party, so everyone everywhere, so he didn't need to be at the table, just wanted it) - very unusual for him, and DH and I were very pleased!

Baby (who has just passed out after another gym session) seems to be growing out of her vests, but not her trousers (oops, she's awake again). She is a little darling. However, she has a scaly little head, so I am trying to put nice oil on her scalp, neck and behind her ears, a procedure which allows us to have a nice chat on her changing mat, which is where she does her most smiling, being alone with me! She's still pooing extensively, which made me go back to search out the post about one poo a week, mmmcheese, as I'm pretty sure that's not healthy, so please talk to someone if that happens. They have such short digestive tracts that they can get quite distended ifit gets sotred up for so long. A friend of mine's child has chronic constipation which started in babyhood, so it's really important to watch out for this sort of thing.

Apologies for all my typos at the moment. I am still trying to get used to my new keyboard, and overnight, I also have to type one-handed over DD's back (fittingly for her Classical name, Helena, she eats while reclining, like a little Roman! Grin)

Kri5ty · 26/02/2012 11:10

easily when ours was squeakers age, he ff him every 3 hours. He tended to wake up for a feed around 3 hours anyway, so if it was nearing the 3 hour mark i would make a few noises so he would stir.

Then he would only stay awake for between 1 hr and 1.5 hours so after a feed we would play with him a little, then when he started to look tired put him down for his sleep. In the morning feeds worked out at 7,10,1,4 and 7pm. At night he still fed every 3 hours, but tended to sleep through his 1am feed, going to around 3 or 4 :)
This then stretched to longer

When he was about 10 weeks old we noticed he wasn't really interested in feeding ie he would have about 1oz then just play with the bottle, so we adjusted his feeds to 4 hours.
He now does 7am, 11am, then 3pm(but usually he cant go past 2.30 so we do it then),(sometimes a small top up feed at 5pm so he isnt cranky for bath) and 6.30pm.. Now he tends to stay awake for 1.5-2 hours after is first feed when he will sleep, again with his second feed. And after his 3pm feed he tends to play and have a small doze, if he is awake at 5 we will give him a little milk, if not we make an uber bottle up and give him some before his bath at around 6pm, and finish it off at 6.30 afterwards :)

Its so much easier having some sort of routine when ff so you can make sure bottles are sterilized and feeds made fresh and correct temp etc x

Kri5ty · 26/02/2012 11:11

ps.. for the past 2weeks he has just been stirring at 3am, but was dis interested in feeds so we just starting giving him his dummy, and the past 2 nights he has slept straight through from 7-7 :) when he is full of smiles and chatting x