Feb 2011- a bit late, but we're finally in post natal!

[debka]

Welcome everyone!!

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Hi all
Noah has been in his own room for weeks as I couldn't sleep with all the noise he made. Last night we took him out of his moses basket out of desperation. He didn't go down after his last feed and we spent two hours trying to settle him. Dh suggested putting him straight in his cot and swaddling him, and it worked! It's a miracle. He then slept til 2am and dh fed him then slept til I woke him at 7! am pleased and hope it continues to work. He had a nap in his cot this morning swaddled and slept for 40 minutes so am pleased. I got to play waiters with Ben while he slept!
Angels, I think it's unusual for babies to reliably go through the night at this stage. As Ledkr says at least A goes back to sleep after her night feeds.
Dh will do drew feed tonight if Noah settled ok, and well see how well Noah sleeps being swaddled tonight.

yes ledkr I have baby whisperer and try to follow is approx (having said that I've just fed her and let her sleep straight after so breaking the golden rule - that's unusual though). I try and have an approx routine but also it's flexible so she can cope with when we do different things. She wakes up at 6:30 and I feed her and then enourage her back to sleep in her cot as long as poss so I can shower etc, from then on I feed about every 2.5 - 3 hours and do the baby whisperer easy routine (in general..but it doesn't often work out like that). I always feed her at 5 - 5:30 pm and then she gets nappy free naked time, a bath and then a massage, then another feed and then DH gets a little play with her (which I'm sure wakes her up too much but feel too guilty to stop this as it's the only time he gets to do it every day) and then we try and settle her down around 8. I feed her when she's pretty much sleeping at around 9:30 - 10pm and then dump her and run put her gently in her cot with DH and reside back to my seperate bedrom ( ) to get some hopefully uninterupted sleep . DH does the night time ff whenever she starts crying for it alot which is any time between 1 and 4 at the minute.

I'm really trying to do the right things and train her so she sleeps well but often feel I have no idea what I'm doing and hope I do it OK. I have memories of my sister who didn't sleep through the night until she was 5 and went to school and really don't want that1 (the first day at school she was so knackered she fell asleep at her desk and after that always slept through the night for mum - don't know what that school did to her but it worked )

angels I agree with what ledkr said, there is a difference between bf and ff babies. My friends bf baby is 5 months and rarely goes through the night - oh dear you probably didn't want to hear that did you sorry!

With dd I think we are just lucky, but when she was sleeping til 5/6am a few weeks ago we were putting her to bed at 10pm. Now its 8.30pm, swaddle and leave her to it, she doesn't wake for a feed but like I say, I think its just luck. One thing I've noticed is she is waking earlier at the mo, about 6am, and I think its due to the room being light (we have blinds not curtains). At my mums (very dark room) she slept til 9am both mornings

bensmum glad to heat the swaddling helped, was it the first time you'd done it?

wiggles are you going to ring your work back? Its horrible worrying about it when you're off isn't it.

angels Anna goes down to bed at around 7.30-8.00pm, same as Ledkr during the day, she naps in pram, carseat, baby chair not moses basket. She gets washed or bathed, I don't bath her every night, (but I did with dd1 and she was my best sleeper), babygro, bottle, bed. Sometimes it works, sometimes it takes a bit longer, but she is always asleep by 8.30pm. I don't wake her for any feeds (never wake a sleeping baby is also my motto ), she wakes once for a feed, then straight back down until about 6.30iamsh.

During her night feed, no lights, no nappy change unless it really needs it, no chatting, bottle, burp, straight back down. Now this is what I did for dd1, and she was a fantastic sleeper, it is also what I did for dd2 and the least said about her sleeping habits the better , so it doesn't work for all.

bensmum Great news about Noah last night.

Morning all,

Good night last night - did the dream feed at 11ish and she barely opened her eyes then she went right through to 6:45 when DP got her up while I had a lie in. They're both ready for the day and I'm still in my PJ's!

Angels R does get a dream feed at about 11pm, so goes 7-11, then 11-6 or 7. 5 if we're unlucky. She's a FF though so I think that makes a big difference.

Ponyo Thank you for the name love :) We just heard it and loved it and I get dead smiley when people say they like it too. I spoke to a nursery manager yesterday about finding a place for R when I go back to work and she said she'd never had one in nursery before so I was very pleased!

Right. Better get on. Am still not dressed and we need to go and buy DP some new clothes - he has a new job and has never had to be smartly dressed for work before.

Oh, and wiggles let's keep an eye on those knee caps!

Angels you are doing it all well otherwise she wouldnt known night from day,my little sisters were born when i was 14 and 15 and they never slept at night until they were older,my mum was just a pushover tbh but that maybe why i have athing about sleep.If you read the sleep threads on here you will see it is really luck of the draw some people have tried it all.You can never really guarantee them sleeping this young tho,D was awake for 2 hrs wed night.
Ella was like Delilah and then about 7 months started to wake for a bottle untill she was about 2,i would just give it to her and go back to bed whilst she drank it ib her cot but it was still interrupted sleep.When ex buggered off and left me to raise 4 kids-im not bitter i had to stop her having it which was 2 nights of screaming so its not all roses in ledkrs sleeping dc's haha.Ill be on here in weeks to come cos she's back to having 2 bottles and not settling,its never guaranteed.

Ponyo think I'm just going to stick my fingers in my ears humming la la la keep my head down re work. I hadn't been there very long when I left to have Anna so there's no love lost but they are very frightened of me , I don't know if you remember but I had loads of issues last Autumn re them informing me what I wasn't entitled to , needless to say I put a stop to that but the last few months were difficult, it was a physical job and they made very few concessions etc but the hours suit with school etc!!

ElleB I've a funny feeling it was one of those horror stories that did the rounds when everyone started to get wooden floors, oooh babies won't learn to crawl, they've no kneecaps you know, it'll be too hard, courtesy of my granny

dh says D has knee caps..phew,he is also looking at me in a funny way

Elles,D defo wakes with the birds and sunlight -pass me the shotgun-f'ing tweeting and chirping-i have made the room darker and she's one a bit later,me and dh sleep in a stuffy dark room but hey the baby sleeps longer

Hello all,
just sending lots of love and strentgh to jane, Those are certainly very hard news to hear, hope you are finding ways to cope. Xxxx

ledkr swearing at the birds

wiggles don't think I was posting back then, good for you though putting a stop to any work nonsense about mat leave etc. Hope mine don't try anything dodgy today

Am chuckling about this knee caps business, I'd never heard of that but have just given dd's knees a prod and they are hard so definitely caps in there! Haha

I just gave dd a bottle and she drained all 5oz, had to take it out of her mouth empty and she was still doing a sucking fish face, she just did some (cute) crying, bad mummy! 6oz from now on!

Ponyo A's been on 6oz for a few weeks, she drained a few bottles the other day but seems to be happy at 6oz now.

I've just spent the last hour clearing out toys pieces of tat from the girls rooms, mentally shaking my fist at McDonalds happy meals, then remembering I'm not supposed to own up to taking girls to that fantastic, life saving heaven horrible cesspit of commercialism with its crap food I'm a very bad mummy, I throw stuff out without asking dd1 and dd2, seriously dd1 had 6 pretend lip glosses and at last count dd2 had 7, yes 7 cheap baby dolls from Asda (I'm blaming their Nanas )

wiggles it only gets worse,i just chucked a brats foot into the oblivion that is the toy cupbord,it landed in the barbie box i made a mental note for when dd is looking for said foot.Also when they get to Els age they leave the toys on the table in mcds so they dont accumulate in the house,the baby dolls remain as they are now pupils at school or dancing school which dd teaches nightly,a few are clotheless,have their faces drawn on and ears pierced with pins but they are still here.

Ledkr, playing school is one of dd1s favourite thing, she gives the dolls marks, smiley faces for homework etc and has her own wee roll call . She's a bit shouty strict with them and I can't think where she gets it from .

I'm just trying to stay ahead of the mess at the minute, dd1 is 6 in June and want to get cleared up before more crap birthday presents come into the house, they will also come home from Ibiza with a mountain of bracelets, hair clips, colouring stuff. Hope you are enjoying your few days off!! Mr W is off this weekend so looking forward to spending some time together, he's been on overtime hours for the past few days because of the election so the girls haven't really seen him since Tues night.

Dh is back sunday,hes going to re visit his shifts an inspector okayed it with him but then his female sgt went off sick for the Easter Hols after being told she couldnt get them off grrrrr hmmmmm.

Els is a very bossy teacher and says things like "we dont hit our friends now do we?" i can only imagine what goes on at her school! Delilah plays schools too,i will put a pic on my profile of her playing-its hillarious give me a few moments.

Hi, thank you all for the support. I am just so confused and sad, i was looking at pics of Zoe and can't believe i didn't realise about the downs syndrome, i am her mum i should have known! Her having DS doesn't really phase me as i know we would have easily coped.

It is the not knowing if i had an emcs would she be in arms now? I just don't know if she would have suffered from brain damage due to lack of oxygen, i have been googling like crazy placenta problems, stillbirth, DS and it seems they are all related, just little pieces of a bigger jigsaw.

I want to scream at FIL when DP told him of the DS he said "well, it all happened for the best then". She was our little girl, our Zoe,and the minor fact she had DS did not mean it was best she is not here! We would have easily coped, she would have had a fantastic life with her mummy and daddy.

It's just so, so sad, my little Zoe a moment in my arms a lifetime in my heart.

How fucking dare fil say that,my niece is fabulous with or with her ds,what a ridiculous thing to say,although i knew people would. Yes its best that she died cos she wasnt perfect grrrrr,same could be said for my poor Dilly with her cleft palate,utter shite. You couldnt have known she was downs honey,its impossible,my dsil had no idea and im sure others will tell you the same.
Take some time to digest this all before you ask further questions if you feel you want to,the question of the emcs needs addressing for sure,stay with us,its Friday,off to pick Ella up soon but will be here for you all night if nes,also go and vist your friends in bereavment im sure they wil have all had similar experiences.

wiggles pics on

Well i cant believe how fast this years going. My little corey was 4 months yest and weighed in at 13lb. what is everones babys weighing in at and how old are they now? Please could you add me to the stats. Cler, 5/01/11, corey, 5lb 12oz.

jane - I am and at your FIL. But he's been less than supportive from the beginning, hasn't he? DS or not, Zoe is your child and to say that you're better off without her is utterly utterly horrible. I'm so angry at him for you.

Jane, I think the other ladies have put into words exactly what an arsehole your FIL sounds like. Please ignore his comments, he's obviously an extremely insensitive man. You are in my thoughts all the time

ledkr Archie has been in his own room for a few weeks now, he snores a lot so I couldn't sleep and I have a long standing bladder problem (pre-dates 4 pregnancies) so get up a few times a night and I disturbed him a few times!!!

Jane I didn't realise my Tom had DS when he was born and I had an easy and stress free labour and birth unlike you. He wasn't diagnosed until he was five days old.

DS is often missed at birth so don't let that be added to all the other things that must be going around in your mind at this difficult time.

As far as you fil and his comments go, unfortunately lots of people are still under the misconception that having a child with DS is a massive disaster in someones life. Personally I was devastated at first but have learnt so much in the last seven years and have realised just how much I was influenced by these misconceptions. Unfortunately though lots of people will think the same as your fil.

I've heard every DS comment - "oh dear I am sorry" "very loving children," "one of them works in our tesco" etc etc. Now I just smile and nod, have given up on trying to change the world with explainations just let my Tom show them how wrong they are (very proud Mummy).
Take care.x

Had A weighed this week and he was 13 lb (11 weeks) definitely getting chubby chops!

justonemore at one works in our tescos dsil gets all those dim comments and dn is far from loving tbh,she is a bossy mare who insists on 100 verses of wind the bobbin up and my special funny face every time i see her.She also steals my handbag and has done since she could walk

delilah has started squeaky whinging, its tres annoying

jane I really hoped your FIL wouldn't make some stupid comment but seems he's being a complete arse, hope you are managing to ignore his rubbish as much as poss. I almost feel like saying you shouldn't have been told about the EMCS - it just seems so cruel and I know I would be the same as you, googling like mad even though it hurts. I agree that the DS doesn't matter (not wanting to sound flippant) - you and your df would have been (and will be) fantastic parents no metter what. Please look after youself and try not to spend too long on the googling - though its easy to say it I know I'd do the same xxxxxxx

ledkr cute pics :)

My work meeting was ok - I was right on the borderline for people being made redundant/people not being made redundant which is annoying. Funny how lots of us "average" ie frontline types are going but none of the higher up managers are dd was an angel whilst we were there and got told she is beautiful 100 times

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