dec 2008- the one where they all turn 2...probably.

[VagolaJahooli]

Sorry bit boring I know but I didn't want to make any reference to spot as I don't want to jinx her and have her baby come early, then it would be my fault. Also didn't want the mad rush at the end of the thread. This way we've had plenty of time.

Well we made it safely, bit of a nightmare journey as there were huge delays on the motorway so once we were clear dh tried to make up time by going a bit fast ( ahem) and we got pulled over by the police 50m from the big Welcome to Scotland road sign he'd been doing 91 and got 3 points and a fine.
Invis sending get well vibes, how scary for you all. Remind me to tell my cultural insensitivity re Xmas story when home again...
Right, lunch with family and we finally get to met nephew, dd has been going on about baby luca for days!

Oh Vag, what a nightmare, do you think you ought to test to put your mind at rest, one way or t'other? Am thinking of you sweetheart.

Loving the cultural insensitity stories. More I wanted to say but DD1 now appeared complaining of being ill. Back shortly.

I'm sure your right Avo and that's what I needed to hear. Thinking that I might be has made me realise I don't really want anymore, I'm ready to get on with my life now and get back into training again. My cycle is usually 28 days but it has been a bit shorter lately, I never track it very carefully but it just feels like they are coming a little closer together than usual. I'm sure the symptoms are just all in my head.

I can't remember who asked how I'm feeling. Thanks for asking, I'm happy in London but as always now content just to visit. It's such a familiar place to me and after living here for 10years will always feel like my home town. But I'm happy to go back to the Hague. It is nice to have people speaking English around me but it gas urged me on in my want to learn Dutch. I have been a bit grumpy with DH but I think its this pregnancy scare, i feel if I am its my fault as I gave the green light.

Vag, what do you mean you gave the green light? I thought your dh didn't want any more kids? You mean he was happy about going without a tarp and then you gave in? Glad it's made your feelings clear about a third. Maybe a scare is what you needed to find out? By the way - the old raincoat method aint too secure - that's a mistake waiting to happen Vagola! I'd take a test like Avo said as it'd show by now. I really need to get to the GP myself as I've got periods every second darn week it seems. Hope it sorts out for you and shame we don't get to see you.

Lady, I'm still racking my brains trying to figure out a way to catch up on Saturday Day or evening for some drinks but Sat DH is working on call and won't be back till 9pm at the earliest. I could see what mil is doing but she won't like to be here late. Will keep thinking of a plan.

Bummer for MrJJ!

I got the EA Sports Active2 for the PS for Christmas and did one of the workouts and the trainer guy kicked my arse!! I'm so unfit it's not funny!! In my defense it was midnight and I was in PJ's and slippers and when he said "stop and have some fluid" by that i'm guessing he didn't mean wine so I'm just impressed I finished workout 1. Must get serious about it in the New Year!

Rubes you make me laugh, why midnight?

By green light I mean I insisted it was safe because it was the days after the last day etc. But your right he should know not to trust me. I would just feel guilty. I would actually like to talk to DH about it, mainly so he can understand why I'm so snappy and moody. The poor man gave me yet another very generous well thought out present and being a grizzly bear. The problem is we don't actually have any time alone because we are with friends all the time. Might speak to him tomorrow on the way home in the car.

Oh I don't know Vag. We were just up late as dh was setting up the camera etc for the PS Move and then I wanted to just really turn it on and see what it was like and the next thing I had selected my workout gear, hair style etc and I was in a full blown workout. I ended up doing the whole thing but kind of half arsed as i really need a Yoga mat, but my heart rate was so high for the level I was doing it was embarrasing! I was knackered. then dh started playing Call of Duty Black Ops online with my nephew back home so we were up into the wee hours.
I'm def getting that post Christmas anti climax depressing type of mood setting in. The weather doesn't help does it.

Avo your DD's are hilarious

Invis What a worry about your DS, I hope he's back on top form very soon

Vag I remember the advice you gave LadyT, when she was worried about being clackered, it was something along the lines of being positive and not blaming anyone, just in case. DH and I have taken the same risk ourselves from time to time though, and it's always been fine for us

Happy birthday WG. Your MIL has been a proper Christmas treat for us all

E has taken herself for a nap, bless her, she's much more lively now and chatting away again. I'm slowly picking up too and have taken advantage of the quiet time to wrap up in a duvet on the sofa. I hope she stays quiet for a good long time

Is anyone wondering where Spot is? She's rather quiet (no pressure Spot!)

I am here, sitting in tears after another big argument with DP. Thought it would be this morning but no. He is ill again and apparently I haven't been solicitous enough and am always jumping to the wrong conclusion/worst case scenario. I just want to work out what happens if he does have flu so i can make plans. And yes, I am angry at the situation and the fact that there has never been a time during this pregnancy for me to properly relax and not sorry because there's always something wrong with him. And it's not his fault, I;m not angry at him just at teh situation. But he can't see that picking a fight with me now is NOT helpful.
Sorry for being so self-centred, but I would just like this baby to have a bit of calm and I would like to go into labour with someone not having a go at me.

Oh Spot :(. We are all here cheering you on. Well I am in the car on the way back from Felixstowe but you know what I mean. I wish we were closer so I could come over with cake and lemsip. And it mustbe massively irritating to have an ill DP, even if it isn't his fault.

And are you eating and drinking at regular intervals? If labour does kick off you will need the energy.

I am, thanks Effie. We just had a big row about the relationship and him talking about how unhappy he's ben and I just feel so angry and sad. I felt really happy and relaxed yesterday and I'm now really upset and tense and furious with him. This poor baby - I feel like I've been hoping he wouoldn't come early because of the weather, then DP\s tooth, then me and Tom being ill etc. Now I just feel like he'll be born to two people who are barely speaking and can't get on.

It sounds like neither of you are in the best frame of mind to discuss relationship stuff - maybe it's time to cocoon yourself and concentrate on the baby. Because no matter what the circs a new baby is an amazing and stupendously beautiful event. Will post more later - need to decanter boys from car xx

Right, boys decantED and in front of DVD.

I was going to say don't be too hasty when it comes to judging your relationship. You're in a bit of a transition period at the moment - waiting for a new baby, waiting to decide where you are going to settle - which must be scary and disorientating for both of you. Which is no excuse for him picking fights, but if he's feeling isolated then you're getting the brunt of any upset and frustrations. Hang in there.

You are very wise Effie - and right. It's not the best time to think about things, I guess it's the stark contrast between how I want things to be between us and how they are.
SIL and her kids turned up this afternoon which was great, meant that T was entertained for a couple of hours and I was able to talk to her. Firstly about the baby (who doesn't seem to have turned but isn't engaged either so probably not going to make an appearance immediately) then about me and DP, not in any huge specifics as he is her brother and I don't want to be telling too many tales out of school, but she was reassuring too.
I think I need to just wake up and realise that our 7 year-old issues are not going to magically disappear over night, and the fact of having another baby and all that means will probably throw them into even starker relief. I just want things to be ok and need to accept that wanting things to be a certain way is not going to change anything.
DP has, however, agreed in principle to see a relationship counsellor at some point in the new year which, although I will eat my hat if it actually happens, is a sign of a big shift. Or maybe he's placating a 40wk pg woman. Who knows.
Will get back onto personals later, apols for me me meness.

Spot is your official due date tomorrow? That's a big development with him agreeing to the counselling, even if it doesn't progress at least he is recognising that something needs to give. I so wish I could pop in on you on the way to the boat tomorrow. I'd make you a cup of tea and spoil you Veggie style.

Effie your lovely, and ZJ thanks for your reassurance.

I spoke to DH today and apart from being a bit concerned he was very reassured as he been worried about my mood over Christmas. He was quite thankful that I told him and said that we are in this together, he also said he might get the snip. Bless him.

Again I doubt I am, but I've worked myself up about it. I'll wait until late next week to test.

hello
Spot I agree with what wise Effie has said about the timing of the relationship stuff. Also sounds like talking to his sister was a good move. Your baby will not suffer from you and DP having some wobbles now - your baby will be loved and treasured, and things will get better over time.
vag I really hope you're not clackered...it sounds like you're very low risk as avo said, but these things can happen. Glad you told DH and that he is being supportive (as ever)
ZJ glad to hear you're feeling a bit better. That's rotten being so poorly on Christmas day.
I think whoever said there are some nasty bugs around was right (was it Rubes?) A friend of ours is very very poorly in intensive care with flu .
It's been so sad to read of all the early babies and losses amongst our friends lately. jam how is your friend? Veg have you heard any more about your friend's prem baby? If it's any encouragemnt, L was born at 30 weeks and is fit as a fiddle, so these teeny ones can be strong.
OK had more to say but DH is here and wants to 'do' something (usually means telly or a crossword!) but as I was allowed out this aft while he kept the girls, I ought to focus my attention on him for a bit!

I'm glad you talked to your SIL Spot, and that your DP is prepared to go for counselling :). Trace is right, your baby will be secure and loved when he arrives.

Veggie: sending postive thoughts for the best outcome for you.

spot - some great advice and well done on talking to sil. one step at a time, and it is good news about dp even considering some form of counselling - that really is half the battle. sorry things are so tough, but try to take things slowly. think happy thoughts (as the mum of my friend would say) and let's get this baby out when he wants to come as safely and easily as possible. then see what happens. lots of love, my lovely.

today is my birthday. i am ANCIENT - 38. have stayed an extra day at the in laws as didn't want to spend my birthday in the back of the car amusing madam for 5 hours. i celebrated with an afternoon sleep with CRH for company. i know how to celebrate!

vg - fingers crossed. glad you talked to dh about it. i love what you said about being in it together.

did i tell you dh and i have booked into somewhere super special for 2 nights in mid jan when we are going to decant madam on dad and lf, and take ourselves off to eat, drink, sleep and talk about names and start thinking about the whole number 2 thing? i am v excited - it is super spenny for us, but they are doing a 2 for the price of 1 offer in jan during the week and dh can get a monday off - hurrah!

thanks to all those who gave me birthday wishes on facebook - it was so surprisingly cheering! i did have a bit of a wobbly last night when i went to bed, thinking about getting old and realising this is my 9th birthday without my mum and how different everything is now. i sobbed and sobbed, but that was good. i'm a right one for getting things out and i needed to get that (and other things) out, too. it makes me feel closer to her somehow, and also cleansed after.

night night to all.

Morning :). Feeling not motivated to do much today. It was our anniversary yesterday (12 years!) but we didn't do much as DH was still feeling ropey. Fish and chips in Felixstowe and a DVD with the boys in the afternoon.

The snow and ice has finally gone, so I think we'll be going out for a walk later. Still chilly though. Poor DS2's face is really sore - teething dribble plus eczema plus cold weather.

spot you seem to have a great plan in place, now just look after yourself and DS2 when the time comes

trace a huge amount of White light heading for your friend, it's scary how bad flu can get if you are the slightest bit low

Happy anniversary effie

I'm back but the place is an absolute pit so am going to have to spend the entire day tidying and cleaning but I did just want to say Happy Birthday to WG for yest, sounds like a lovely treat in store in Jan - and Happy Anniversary to Effie for yesterday as well.

Spot, you are utterly knackered and frazzled and it is no surprise. Hope the next few days are calmer for you.

I had a lovely time at my sister's and then at Mum's - her arm is a bit better, at least - and feeling quote chipper and looking forward to searching online (later, when I have tidied up) for a very very very cheap holiday last week of Feb/first week of March. (Er, and try not to fret about the house). Proper catch up later!

Oh, and Rubes, it is so cool you are trying to find a solution to Saturday - so sorry to have missed you, Vag.

Hello! Surfacing form all the lego building to mark my place and start catching up. Internet connection does not like cold and damp. Keeps cutting out so I read, start posting and then it dies on me.

hi indith - good to see you again.
LadyT welcome back from your travels. Good to hear your mum is feeling a bit better.
Happy Birthday to WG. Your planned super special break sounds fabulous. Good on you.
Well I have sad news. Our friend from church who was in ICU with flu has died. It's absolutley tragic - he's not much older than dh and I, and leaves behind a wife and 2 young children. I can't take it in. We are so blessed to have our health and our families - I must remember to appreciate them all a lot more.
I've just finished face-painting my girls so now I have 2 pink cats at my ankles .
Must go and play.
Hopefully back later xxx

Trace that is such terrible news about your friend, what a gaping hole there will be in his family now.

Hi Indith

Gosh how tragic trace. My thoughts are with you all, x.