dec 2008- the one where they all turn 2...probably.

[VagolaJahooli]

Sorry bit boring I know but I didn't want to make any reference to spot as I don't want to jinx her and have her baby come early, then it would be my fault. Also didn't want the mad rush at the end of the thread. This way we've had plenty of time.

OMG Vagola!! That could be implantation pain!!! I had that both times You might be clackered! Oooh I can't wait. Are you still against the idea? it wasn't that long ago it was what you really wanted - it was dh that didn't right?

Vag you have amazing willpower. I peed on about 50 sticks in the two weeks after the deed. If it's neg, then I would feel safe to get on the sauce on NYE. If pos, then....wow!

Beans hope you are feeling a bit better.

I am feeling much brighter about the world. Had two decent sleeps in a row, have started to tidy my house, and done a big Ocado order. The little things that bring back normalcy!

Spot thinking of you and hoping you're okay and having a lovely babymoon. And NO MORE tongue ties!

just wondering actually (on thinking about Vag having 3) I'm trying to plan the easiest route for our flights in Feb with 2 kids (don't think there is one though) however we may have either a 6 hour or an overnight stop half way and I was wondering what people to in hotels with more than 1 kiddie? I'm thinking of just checking in with ds and getting dh to have dd and come to the room after as it's a massive hotel and they wouldn't notice as most hotels have a policy of 3 guests max so I'm thinking of just doing that rather then faff around with it after a long flight? vag you do a lot of hoteling - what's your experience with this?

Rubes it depends on the country and whether its a chain hotel. In Belgium they have the three person limit, we tried booking us into a room in a big hotel chain in Antwerp and they said we would have to either book a suite or two rooms. However, a little b&b in a small town was happy to let us have a double room even though we'd originally said we would pay for a bigger triple room. Anyway, in countries were we weren't aware of this rule we just booked a double and asked for a child bed and then just turned up with DS2 as well, as he was sharing existing bedding they didn't usually mind. Really though having said all that, Id just go with your original plan. Where are you staying? Most hotel reception people barely look up from their desks.

Oh that's right Vag I remember your situation with that recently.
It's the Regal attached to HKG airport. I've stayed there before on ultra short stops for repositioning crew in HKG and also when I've been stuck there due to Ruby 7's and full flights and I seem to remember them being very nice but that was just me. I'm also on a staff industry room rate too so don't want to push it. I think I'll just do what I planned as the hotel is massive and they wouldn't even know, as I know they have that 3 person policy. If we did happen to get busted I'll just plead ignorant.

Ruby 7's Rugby 7's actually

Just take DS & DD in with you and if you get caught in the room with DH say you've never seen him before in your life . No but really if you've stayed there before and you know the lay out I think you could get away with sneaking them in. I always feel that the staff on the ground don't really give a flying four X what you do as long as they don't officially know. It's like Macdonalds toilets, their only for customers but I've never been stopped by a pimply teenage staff member and asked to not use their facilities.

Gr trying to post on dh iPhone v hard, can only see last page of posts . Anyway - vag you must test and let us know. Trace big prayers for your friend's family :( Mom what a rough time, hope you survive the next few days
Beans eek to flu :(

We finally got to meet new nephew, he's very cute old went mad for presents for dd, she came away with seven bags of new toys so no idea where that lot will all go... Very generous but really, one auntie said she wasn't doing presents this year so we didn't get her anything, she gave dd a dress and a tea set and a dolly and a set of pooh bear books. Cue us feeling v guilty... No wg style milisms though Apparently all children will teach themselves to read before the age of 4 if there are books in the house, it's only the badly pArented ones who need to be taught at school. And (childless late 20s) bil assured me that come 7 pm when dd hadn't napped at all and was going frantic from all the new people, it wAsn't that she was tired, "that's just her age showing" Oh really?!

Sigh old = ils

Meant to tell my story for invis - was in the co op just before Xmas and a pissed bloke as chatting to one of the staff about if the shop would be shut on 25th. Chap says yes. "oh do you Muslims get the day off as well then?" yes we do "oh right because you don't believe in jesus do you, is sthere one of your weird prophet types you celebrate at Christmas instead then?" cue staff. guy explaining that actually yes he does consider Jesus to be quite an important figure actually.
We're fine ones to talk, dd saw a model of Santa at the reception desk of the flats we're staying in. Ask her Who's that who brought you lots of presents? "baby Jesus!"

Girls, am I the only who actually planned to have a child? It seems like the rest of are completely reckless, rampant shaggers!

Mom you sound to have had it up to here with Christmas, I wish you a quiet and peaceful new year. You are not alone with the coughing/weeing, and I don't have a bub pressing my poor old pelvic floor (but I do have the equivalent weight in cake )

I've been meaning to thank Urbane for the gingerbread stuffing recipe, it was yummy and will become a festive gave in this house

I hope Spot has had a lovely snuggly day with Ds2. Now she's popped, who is due next? Is it jump, or is WG or Mom due first?

March 5th for me. Think both Jump and WG are before me?

Am still reeling at spot's 90 min labour-way to go, girl! Huge congratulations, my love.

Vg-am waiting with baited breath. I had exactly that implantation/period pain like thing and then no period. I hope you get the result you want.

Mom- sorry you've had such a tough time. Glad you've had a bit more sleep.

I think it is JJ next, then me (dd 22 feb), then mom.

WG dd 22 Feb? Are you having a DD2 as well?

MOM sympathies on everything so far. Sounds hideous. Hope things calm down soon.

Horrible row here. Off to sleep. XXX

Morning ladies.

Mom how are you feeling today, is it all starting to resolve now. You poor thing. I have to say your ILs are a bit cheeky, couldn't some of them have stayed in a hotel close by?

Well I've done a test and its negative, it is 5 days before my period is due and I got my dates mixed up so its only 20 days since the deed so it could be too early but I'll take that result, unless my period arrives late. I feel bad but I am really relieved. I still feel sad that my child bearing days are over but I'm ready to have some of my life back now and the boys are getting bigger and easier to cart around so we are looking forward to.some nice holidays and just getting on with our lives iYSWIM. Plus I just think I want to go back to that full dependence stage and no sleep etc.

spot Massive congratulations - fab news. And only 90 mins...wow. Much love to you all.

vag Phew, I'm glad that it is the result you want.

mom You poor thing, that sounds seriously rubbish for you. Why couldn't one of your SIL or DH cook the Christmas dinner. I hope that you are feeling a little better abd they have all cleared off soon.

So what's everyone plans for NYE?

oh, sybs, too many rows. so sorry, my love. breathe...

no, no idea as to the flavour of number 2 - i meant due date.

vg - test in a few days again? hate to say it but my first test with number 2 was negative - had to wait a couple of days.

from fb sounds like spot is having a trying time with no sleep. poor lamb.

Sybs I meant to ask, did you go bed still rowing?

I know WG it is a bit silly to test now as too early but with NYE I thought I'd test. Not sure I'll drink too much tonight anyway as feeling a bit under the weather. DS2 has had a funny belly, and DS1 has had a cold. I've woken up this morning feeling congested and a bit nauseous, so hoping I havent caught both of their bugs.

DB we are going to a friend of ours for the night. They have 3 girls so have diff getting babysitter for NYE so we decided just combine the kids and stay in! We are hoping to have all the kids down by 8.30 so we can hit the champs.

Phew Vag! I reckon you're pretty safe as implantation should have happened by now as its been min of 15 days since possible conception. Unless however you don't build the preg hormones very fast so best retest mainly as those pains sound Sus to me I know what you mean tho, I'm very up for getting back to normal sleep too!
Sorry about argument Sybs. Hope its nothing bad.
Hope things are good Spot. Do we have a name?

I'm glad you got the result you wanted Veg. It did seem v unlikely given you had sex 25 days before your period was due. That would have been one very long luteal phase. Has this scare helped you in some way by clarifying that you don't want more kids and taking away some if the feeling of "what if"?

Sorry to hear about the row Sybs. I hope you are ok.

And sorry to hear abt your crappy Christmas MoM. What nightmare in laws. Does your DH see the problem?

We are spending NYE with some friends a few streets away. The plan is that we take the kids and put them to bed with their kids and then sleep over ourselves. Problem is DD1 has earache and a fever and might not be up to it.

I am making three new year resolutions: to train for a 10k in April, to stop raising my voice to the children and not to go on the Internet (MN, email or FB) in front of the kids. I have a habit of spending a lot of my parenting time staring at my iPhone screen. It's an automatic reaction for me to pick it up whenever I have a quiet moment or two. But given that I don't see the kids much in term time I think this is unacceptable and disrespectful. I wld never let them do it to me if they had a DS or similar. So Ladies, I will still be around, and hopefully you will hardly notice as I can catchup and post on the Tube or in the evenings, but times like now will be a thing of the past (the DCs are playing in front if me but I'm so unengaged that I couldn't even tell you what they are playing).

Nauseas Vag? In the morning? nah I still reckon you'd show on a test after 15 possible clear days

Those sound like good resolutions Avo :). I'm guilty of disengaging from the boys too. And shouting. I will have to look at some resolutions too.

Vag: glad you got the result you wanted. Might be an idea to double check in a few days.

We are having a quiet NYE with a friend round, then a quieter birthday for DS2. I am not doing his birthday with a hangover again! Poor chap.

Sybs: you're having a tough time of it at the moment. Is there a specific issue or is it general tension and tiredness?

Avo I think I might borrow your resolutions. I think being too impatient and shouty is part of the reason I don't want more kids. This scare has made me sure I'm.happy with my two little men. I have a little admission to make I kind of didn't admit that my period has been coming about every 22ish days. That's why I was freaking out a bit. So while it is still a few days until my usual style period would be due, my weird short cycle period should be due any day now so really the test should show up, as its only a day or two before its due, if that makes sense.

Pubie your funny, I think it is more likely due to a dodge belly. I'm really congested too so may be swallowed some chest muck overnight.

Sybs are you ok, my one thought through this little scare was you saying how much you love having three.

I'm glad it has solidified things for you Vag and you have the outcome you wanted. Sounds like it's best for you and your family. Some people are so good with 3 but for me I can't imagine it as I worry too much about my 2 as it is and then notice my attention is stretched quite thin with just the 2! I think I would hold ds back too much with a 3rd, not to mention like you, I want to get on with grown up things and also split my "kids time" just two ways. I just couldn't do the things I want to do ie travel more as a family and show the kids the world if I had yet another. I do take my hat off to those that do have more than 2, but I just think they want different things and are perhaps better at the juggling than me!
Think I'm going to have Avo's resolutions too... and add to that cut back a little on cheerfulness and go back to my healthy eating after my Christmas blow out oh and follow through with my trainer guy on the PS3

BBC drive me crazy I've just read this an article which seems to prove that the recent increase in Dutch infant mortality rate has nothing to do with homebirths, yet they entitle the article, Controversy over homebirths in Netherlands. Regardless of your stance on maternity care this is just bad journalism! Are they that desperate for exciting sensational articles that they have to resort to this. No one in the Netherlands is too bothered by this from a homebirth point of view should the BBC not be questioning hospital maternity care in this article, or at least checking the statistics for how many of these births came from complicated or high risk pregnancies.

Lady are you still in London tomorrow? There's a good chance I could meet you for a touch of New Year cheerfulness and some loitering! Is anyone else about?