November 2008 - Two, too soon !!

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Someone had to do it. Witty thread titles, not my forte, but no one else seemed willing.

Make mine a mojito - cheers

Ooh, mojitos! Haven't had one of them in ages...

Okay ladies, dilemma: DH and I are supposed to be going out tomorrow for a meal. Do I a) hide my suspicions and pour my wine into a plant, b) drink the wine as I don't have that +ve test yet and cross my fingers c) throw up at the horrible wine smell or d) freak DH out big-time by blurting "I think I might be pg!" across the dinner table?

Found out today my poor boss has just had a mc. She was off for 3 weeks and is on a phased return. She looks really pale and wispy and I feel so bad for her.

Dh is really good at Mojitos!! We are on Mai Tais at the moment as we sickened ourselves of Daiquiris!!

Hmm OOJ.. I take it DH knows of the possibility you may be pg?? If so I would just say you are being careful due to possibility. If not, then I would personally just have a small one and 'milk' it along with a soft drink (or 2) on the side. Why doesn't he know tho?

That is a shame for your boss, my friend had a mc 2 weeks ago. Awful.

I have now told DH because he was going on about me going to the doc's because this nausea has been going on "for weeks" (actually about ten days but it might seem longer in man land ). He kept saying he was really worried about me and that something was definitely not right so I told him that if it was what I thought it was the nausea would be going on for a bit longer. He gave me a hug and said, "Oh well, we wanted another one anyway. Now, there's no point worrying about it until we know. You're either pg or you're not." Mars, Venus...

But he did offer me a drink in a worried tone of voice a few minutes later. Bless him.

I think he and I are just both a bit overawed by how great contraceptives are when you use them properly and are therefore a bit surprised that we could have been quite this, well, silly.

Anyway, it's all academic, like the man said, until Sunday morning when I will be getting up super-early to POAS...

evening all - so nice to see you all posting!!!

Jars - a maybe baby....am very excited for you I can concur that the whole 2nd child stroppy thing is nonsense......DS2 was/is mega chilled out, not jealous etc etc but DS1 and Pixie are both out the same pod....she is very stroppy at the moment and prone to flinging herself on the floor and wailing, really wailing if I object or not let her do something (like climb out of the stable door!!)

She is now in a bed as she has been climbing out of her cot - NIGHTMARE as keeps coming out of her room and saying "no night night mummy" Hoping it's just the novelty factor as she has always been fab at bedtime, sleeping through thanks to my routine following......

obs sorry you are feeling a bit fragile, you are always welcome and listened to/loved her. AS are you Lacks...hope you are ok, was thinking of you the other day....and Pinky come and say hello

ceebee Mojitos....yummy...when Mr and Mrs chocorange came over for dinner I mafe mojitos...we all got absolutely lashed up and have since met for dinner 2 more times...and the boys played golf....Baby Choc and Baby Pixie may get married yet!!!

DH out tonight so I am making the most of MN.

Love to you all xx

Aww good on Mr Jars, well we will all wait with baited breath til Sun am then..!

Hi Pixie (DozyM??) see told y'all I need a name change!

virtual Mojitos it is then..

jars see, you had nothing to worry about re Mr Jars Fingers crossed for tomorrow xx

Pixie great to see you around here - it sounds like we have all got our hands full with our Nov 'babies' - guess that is why they call it the terrible 2's??

Hope everyone is having a good weekend

Has anyone seen "Inception" yet? Off to the pics with DH instead of a meal.

Did test early this morning and no line but also no AF.

jars amazingly I have seen Inception - amazing since I have only been to the cinema 3 times in the last 4 years and two of those has been to see Toy Story 3 You will be there now anyway but I did enjoy it but it is very confusing...but Leo DC looked very hot so I didn't mind

Inception is AMAZING! I may have to eat Cillian Murphy.

Sooooooo sad in bits, though. Leo's tiny son looked a bit like Fin.

Glad you liked it - not keen on Cillian Murphy, but I did like that English bloke (can't remember what he was called) - played the con artist-type person. Mmmmm

Oh yes, he was lush too. In fact, I have to say that it was very nice of DH to take me to see it, considering.

Hello dear November ladies!
OOh - a poss pregnancy for OpenerofJars who I'm assuming is a name-change - but can't guess who you are I'm afraid.

I really need some advice from you ladies. The twins are little angels and sleeping through 7pm-7am. However Cecily Plum, having always been a briliant sleeper, has started waking ridiculously early and also refusing her daytime naps on some days. This started when we went on hols to France on 2nd Sept and she had to share a room with the DTs. I think their snuffling in the morning caused her to start waking early (5/5:30am) rather than the normal 6:15/6:45am. Also, she used to wake up happy, but now wakes up screaming.
On return of hols, she has also started her settling in days at nursery, the second of which she was crying her eyes out when DH went to collect her. Following this session, she was cleary distressed when I put her down at 1pm for naptime, and we couldn't get her to sleep. Same the next day - despite having been up since 5am, and mid-morning actually asking to go to bed, I held out til normal 1pm and then she refused to sleep.

So last night, i put her to bed early as she looked so terrible, and she was asleep within 30 secs of head hitting the sack at 6:20pm. However she woke just after 3am, and would NOT go back to sleep. Aghh! Finally got her out at 6:30am. (Prior to that changed her nappy, gave her teething gel etc).
DH has just taken her out and she's fallen asleep in buggy.

I'm at my wits end with what to do. We were about to move her into a bed next month so we can use her cot for the twins who are getting too big to share a cot now.

Any suggestions? P.S. I started a seperate thread for this if anyone wants to proffer advice!
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/behaviour_development/1045379-22mth-old-DD-started-waking-screaming-at-5am

I feel like this is a toddler battle which I am losing. And the days are just hell when she's tired and grumpy.

Hi Monkey, tis ruthosaurus by any other name.

Urgh, sounds awful. I only have the one, but he only became an okay sleeper at the grand old age of 18mo. We have gone through phases of "won't go to sleep unless Mummy's in the room", "won't nap" and "wakes up at 5" and I don't think anything we did made a damn bit if difference apart from.controlled crying.

When we got back from our holidays this year he screamed unless we were in the room. After a week, we started saying firmly "now, we're only downstairs, don't be silly, we'll be up in five minutes to check on you" and spent four evenings going up and down the stairs, until it clicked. But he still complains every bedtime, noisily, for five minutes. I wish going to bed was something he enjoyed.

I'm not sure how that would work with your family, though, as it sounds like it might be unfair on the twins.

How are they, btw? Saw the photos when they were born, so gorgeous!

ooh congrats Rutho - long time no "see"! Why the name change? Are you running from the law?
Really chuffed for you - hope you're feeling good with it. How many weeks are you now?
The twins are brill thanks - the best babies ever IMO . Sleep 12 hours every night straight, no problems. It seems ironic that it's our toddler causing us sleep deprivation not the 3 month old babies. But hey ho! It's annoying that DD has always been a fantastic sleeper and napper, and suddenly the wheels have fallen off. She is happy as larry going down at bedtime. Just this early rising that's a pain in the buttski.
How are you enjoying being a working mum BTW?

My son is currently screaming hysterically, having asked to go to bed at 7. Grr. Hope he's okay and just having a hissy fit.

How the hell do you cope with 3? Gin? It's so weird when they suddenly change their routine, isn't it? I still miss the morning nap, tbh.

Being a working mum is great cos I'm part time! 4 days at home, 3 at work. Depends on the week how it goes, but it's largely okay...

I'm not 100% sure I am pg, Monkey, just been having all the signs including the fatigue, the metallic taste and nausea for well over a week now. I'm due on on Tues (thought it was Sun but cocked my dates up) so I'm still playing wait & see but I've been having spotting which is either AF, breakthrough bleeding or implantation. I'm trying to stay hopeful as I had this when I was pg with Fin but the suspense is killing me now!

Apart from that, all's good. I namechanged because I posted a thread about some problems DH & I were having and he knows my other alias. But we're good now (hence the pg scare ...

margot sorry to hear about your DD sleep probs. Cant advise unfortunately as my DD 22m is putting us through hell. Since being ill a couple of weeks ago she has been refusing naps though obviously tired and very nasty as a result, few nights in a row waking in night and early too then either not having nap or by chance falls asleep too late in PM then wont go to bed. HAS naps at nursery (2 days a week). Grr.

Before this and keep in mind she is in a bed she was having a max of 45 min nap no later than 1pm, going to bed 7-7.30 very latest and sleeping through.

But she is such a joy and lovable child at other times. Even if VERY independent and strong willed (not sure where from ).

Also DS whom I have felt really close since he started school 3 weeks ago and realised when I pick him up how much I miss him has been a s**t for the last 3 days too.

I honestly dont think if I went into labour now that I would have the physical or emotional strength to get on with it.

HUGS and wishes it is all settled soon. Apologies for going on.

Oh blimey Openerofjars. The dulcet tones of screaming toddler aint exactly relaxing.
Sorry to hear you and DH were having troubles. But great things are sorted now. Fingers crossed you are PG! I cope with wine mainly. 2 large glasses every night gets me through. And early nights. And a supportive DH who is fortunately self-employed and around a lot to help. But I am totally besotted with these 2 boys - they are at that really happy stage when they just coo and smile all the time - lovely!
Mama how long do you have to go now? It seems 22 months is a tricky time for many then. You are right in pointing out the pluses and not just the negs of having a strong-willed independent person!

DD has first almost full-day at nursery tomorrow. They have their nap on mats on the floor - not sure she is going to go along with that.....hmm.

evening everyone else.

Hugs to you, Mama, I think one of the hardest things for me to get my head around was the sheer selfishness of very small children. They don't care how tired you are, or how much you neeeeeeeeeed that sleep. And they have to be like that to survive, but it's so hard.

Fin sits in his cot in the morning shouting "get up, dark, morning, mummeeeee daddddddeeee nappy wet" but if you ignore him he eventually starts jabbering about trains or farms quite happily. He clearly just tries it on as soon as his eyes are open, usually by starting with a horrendous banshee wail. It's actually more like " AAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEAAAAAARRRRRGH get up, dark, morning etc". I have occasionally been standing up before my eyes have opened. Little sod.

Wine sounds good, Monkey. Don't fancy it right now, somehow...

margot Due 7wks tomorrow. Hope stuff with my DCs are sorted before babe comes. Though things will prob go up in the air when babe does appear. Would LOVE wine but most I have at the mo is a cheeky shandy. Going to "try" BF this babe so not sure if can drink booze ?

re CP nursery and sleeping on the mats. You would be surprised how much kids settle when parents not there and copying what all the other kids do.

opener I STILL cant get my head around the selfishness of children or sometimes even the nasty things they can say. Or DH's either for that matter! Better stop now as DH would probably say it is me with the problem and I "need to have a word with myself". Grr.

Jars that is such a good way of thinking about it - the sheer selfishness of children. That just about sums it up doesn't it? How old do you think they are when they actually start to give a damn about how you are feeling?? DS1 is 4.2 and I am still waiting

Mama there is a thread at the mo about new Reception children and tantrums/bad behaviour here I don't think your DS1's behaviour is unexpected!! DS1 has definitely regressed to a 2 year old today - tantrum city here for things such as us running out of orange juice

Monkey hi Your 2 boys are adorable and no wonder you are besotted with them No advice re the early waking apart from maybe trying the wake-to-sleep technique - basically, if CP is waking at a similarish time each morning, you need to set your alarm to get up an hour earlier, go into her room and just slightly disturb her sleep (something like adjusting her position or giving her a gentle shake). This disturbs the normal sleep pattern and therefore breaks the habit she has got into. Generally you have to do it for 3 mornings and then see what happens on the 4th morning. It is difficult to force yourself to get out of bed at stupid o'clock but it definitely worked on DS2 when I tried it when he was a baby.

Also, CP will sleep fine on the mats - it is very common in nursery and children just adapt and do it. When DS1 was doing his trial sessions at school, I had to go and pick him up at naptimes for the babies - I peeked in and saw Hamster laid on the mat with all these other babies and they just looked so cute and settled - particularly as it was a boiling hot day so they had all been stripped down to just their nappies

In my better moments I know I'm the grownup and it's my job to teach empathy, tidiness, consideration and manners, but in darker times I have been known to demand theatrically what it was that I did in a past life or to mutter rude words just quietly enough to be mistaken for something less filthy.

And that's just trying to housetrain DH.

Hi ladies, have had no internet all weekend grr..!

Aw Jars waitin til Tue with you! Hope you will get good result!

Feeling your pain there MonkeyM, my DS1 did the same thing at about the same age and he too was a great sleeper from early on.. We tried the Go Glow time clock telling him not to get up til Thomas got up etc but at this age he didn't really listen (he does now tho yay!). We ended up just getting up with him and going downstairs to let him watch tv while we attempted to get a bit extra sleep. I then tried the tack of saying 'oh no you are up too early for the tv, it is still sleepy time'. In the end we just had to battle thru it and eventually it got a bit better. We also tried increasing his activity with swimming etc but I think at the moment CP is prob too sleep deprived for intense activity? She may end up sleeping too long during day and that won't solve matters..

Gah I have no real tried and tested advice other than the old MN staple of 'this too shall pass' which prob doesn't help. Hope your own thread has better advice but as I said I feel your pain and am bracing myself for DS2 to start all this too.. :-/

Hope you all had a good weekend xx

Ceebs, x-posted. We're still waiting for signs of it from certain members of my family who just turned 30 (I'm lookin' at you, sis) but isn't 7 or 8 the youngest that most children really start to have an.idea of themselves as not the centre of the known.universe?

Just remembered a lovely moment from this pm though. I was reading to Fin and at the line in his animal alphabet book "furry orange tamarins giving Mummy hugs" he absolutely threw himself on me and gave me a huge hug and a kiss. That's my boy.

Who cares if I'm not pg after all? My son hugged me!

Night all, hope tomorrow is a good day for all.