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CardyMow · 22/06/2010 13:13

Could they POSSIBLY hit low single income families worse? Freezing child benefit for 3 years, abolishing the Health in pregnancy grant from April 2011, Getting rid of the baby element on CTC (how that helps us when I'm 3 months pg and DP only earns £16,000 is beyond me...), Lowering the thresholds for Housing benefit (we won't be able to pay our rent without the money we get on housing benefit), saying that people in social housing may no longer have a reasonable housing benefit allowance or entitlemnet for a suitably sized property. I note that they are CUTTING tax rates for businesses. Nice to know that they are hitting the poorest of us that chose to work. We are now in the situation where we are really going to have to consider whether we can AFFORD for my DP to have the luxury of having a job when we will be so much worse off than we would be on benefits, I think we may end up homeless otherwise. It might make DP feel like more of a human being to go out to work and slog his guts out for £16,000 pa, but if we can't feed our kids and pay our rent....

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expatinscotland · 23/06/2010 10:11

They didn't put us into recession. Global economics and capitalism put the Western world into recession.

Tories don't help any poor, working or not, because to them, always, people are poor due to personal failing, and should be punished, not assisted, for this.

So 'give' them £170/annum 'extra' by raising the personal threshold, then take away even more with VAT hikes and Child Benefit freezes and pay freezes.

Then act shocked when they don't doff their caps and lick your boots.

That is the way of the Tory. That has always been the way of the Tory.

A Google search on their history can show this.

That's why I said, 'Duh!'

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vesela · 23/06/2010 10:16

expatinscotland - how did the structural deficit get to the size it is, then?

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boiledegg1 · 23/06/2010 10:24

The Tories are clearing up Labour's mess.

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SanctiMoanyArse · 23/06/2010 10:24

'SMA, I can see that with the DLA change. Very weird. The fact that it's not happening until 2013 = time to campaign against it IMO, though.

Let's just say that my twitter page (I keep FB mainly family / friends and twitter my political angle LOL) has acquired a few major charities following me int he last few days PMSL- I don't keep quiet.

Am unsure about the 2013 change though; I already know of people whose children are beinga ssessed in the coming weeks by home visits they did not request. My guess is it will be staggered.

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SanctiMoanyArse · 23/06/2010 10:29

TOmbli tehre's a difference between tightening your belt and what would happen to us if teh DLA assessor fails to spot invisible disability: bye bye home, community (no HA housing to move into), school, and if we were in a hostel (inevitably) small business as well.

As for Labour got us into- well labour may well ahve amde mistakes amidst a global financial crisis but that doesn't make the way the budget ahs been done OK IMO. I still do not understand why absentr paernts are nto ebing targetted, alcohol and fags put aside, all sorts of things.

What i really really would love to know is how much they expect to save by teh DLA assessment changes becuase that will tell us how many famillies will be hit. Assuming a 50% 'fakery' rate (you'd have to fill in the forms to understand how difficult that fakery really would be) we could get a number. that is what I want to see right now, actual repdiction as to how many people dealing with disability will be stuffed.

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SanctiMoanyArse · 23/06/2010 10:31

ExP in the UK (I know different USA- well I do now after googling ) Whigs are in fact the antedcedants of the LibDems, the main copposers of Tory policy LOL.

Confusing, no?

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scaryteacher · 23/06/2010 10:34

Whichever way you looked at it there was going to be payback time for the enlargement of both the public sector and the Welfare state. The reckoning has come sooner than many thought (and thank goodness), so at the end of it, we may be able to increase welfare spending again.

There is no money to carry on as we were doing, and if we had had to go to the IMF, then the results would have been far worse than this budget; you only have to look at Greece to see that. If an individual had spent beyond their means as the last Government did, then they would have been made bankrupt.

We all have to stop doing ostrich impressions with heads in the sand and arses in the air and get real. Yes, it hurts everyone, but spending, both at a personal and governmental level was out of control and needs to be reined in.

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SanctiMoanyArse · 23/06/2010 10:37

Hmm ST.

See, I remember you telling me that the Tories would nbot be making life ahrder for disabled people.

They have. not just the presumed slashes to teh number of DLA cases paid 9there's be no pint in it otherwise) but the very real fear people are now experiencing.

Again and again people said 'The tories understand; they have no wish to make life harder for those who are genuinely vulnerable'.

Well guess what? they did. Read the htreads on SN. people are scared.

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jonicomelately · 23/06/2010 10:37

OP, you shouldn't complain about your 12 yo sleeping in a small bedroom. That is the reality for many, many children. I remember my brother sleeping in a box room his entire childhood. My parents no doubt would've loved him to have had more space but their mortgage didn't stretch to it.

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expatinscotland · 23/06/2010 10:38

ves, nice try at changing the subject.

was talking about the recession.

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claig · 23/06/2010 10:39

expatinscotland, some champagne socialist somewhere has misled you into believing this caricature of the Tories. John Major was working class, his father was a trapeze artist, he left school at 16 and was turned down for a job as a bus conductor. The Tories made him Prime Minister. Norman Tebbitt was working class as also was the challenger for leadership of the Tory party, David Davis. He was brought up by a single mum on a working class council estate.

Michael Mackintosh Foot came from a posh Liberal background and became Labour leader.
Anthony Charles Lynton Blair was posh and went to the Eton of the North, Fettes. Anthony Neil Wedgwood Benn was posh and was formerly the 2nd Viscount Stansgate. Harriet Harman was posh and went to St. Paul's School. The list goes on and on. Just this week, another champagne socialist, Diane Abbott, justified her decision to send her son to a private school, by saying

"That's what some of my colleagues on the Left would never understand. In the end you're coming from a culture where whatever you can do for your children you do."

The left don't understand her, but the rest of us do, just another champagne socialist who is alright Jack.

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expatinscotland · 23/06/2010 10:40

'expatinscotland, some champagne socialist somewhere has misled you into believing this caricature of the Tories.'

How very patronising of you, claig, to assume that people who don't agree with you are misled and ignorant.

But how unsurprising as well.

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SanctiMoanyArse · 23/06/2010 10:41

joni I think the concern was that if baby due is same gender then there will 2 kids in box bedrroom, no?

I slept in a boxroom; ds1 does; no concern.

Far more worried about ds2 who is NT-ish (low level issues, you ahve to be marked to count as SN in my household ) who ahs to sahre with ASD ds3 (not an ewasy share; ds3 wakes screaming and literall tips the bedroom wardrobe upside down and scatters every night) and potentially ds4 also.

I don't want a bigger house- this is a private rent but as long s we can I want to stay here- but ds1 is the lucky one for sure.

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jonicomelately · 23/06/2010 10:42

If that was directed at me expat, I was responding to a complaint the OP made, which when I last checked, was pretty much the point of this forum.

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expatinscotland · 23/06/2010 10:46

Joni, why on Earth did you a) assume it was directed to you when there were quotation marks quoting another person's post b) get all narky after making such an assumption?

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jonicomelately · 23/06/2010 10:46

I don't know the dynamics of the family Sancti, but it just seems odd to have another child then complain there's nowhere for it to sleep.

FWIW I do sympathise with the OP but surely she must realise having got into this situation of her own free will she can't really complain, blame the council for it etc.

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jonicomelately · 23/06/2010 10:48

Oh yes, expat. Apologies. Just re-read your post. Perhaps I'm feeling a bit paranoid today

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expatinscotland · 23/06/2010 10:50

FWIW, I agree with you regarding the bedroom situation.

The neighbour situation, however, totally sucks.

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SanctiMoanyArse · 23/06/2010 10:56

Joni

Am not complaining; happy with this house.

Also, since child was born DH has been made redundant (am a carer with 2 sn kids, no kids ever conceived unaffordably) so planned move to a larger home scrapped.

Them's the dynamics sadly.

And to reiterate: not complaining. IN fact SSD wanted to push for a bigger house but ds4 was born here, where I am sitting now, so am rather attached.

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scaryteacher · 23/06/2010 11:33

Sancti - you have said 'presumed' slashes; they may just be tightening up on the DLA rules, and is that a bad thing if people are getting it that shouldn't?

Fear is something no political party can do anything about. I was scared yesterday, I thought we'd be looking at a 10-15% pay cut for those in the public sector; I am worried about dh's job security after the Defence Review has taken place, and for the outcome of the public sector pension review as he is within 4 years of having to leave the RN and so there is no now time to make alternative plans to fund retirement. However, those are things I can do nothing about except hope for the best and plan for the worst. I was frankly terrified under Labour because it was evident where all this was going.

I don't think they do want to make life difficult for the genuinely vulnerable. Presumably, if all carries on as before for you, and you keep the DLA and the expanded SN statement, then your fear goes away.

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Remotew · 23/06/2010 12:06

You shouldn't have voted Tory.

Londonone you keep asking where the money is coming from to fund ex number of children that people who cannot afford them have. It's coming out of taxes that we pay and I for one am very happy about this. I live in a society that doesn't starve children who are born to parents that cannot afford them. At least I have lived in this type of society so far.

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claig · 23/06/2010 12:25

Loudlass, good luck to you and your family. I hope it won't be as bad as it now seems. Ignore all the cruel sniping about your family. We need many more children since our birth rate is declining, and they will all help us when we are older. I am very pleased to help them through taxes now.

Also, well done for voting Tory, you did the right thing and I think over time that will become clearer. If ever you doubt how you voted over the coming years, just periodically glance at the grisly gargoyles on the opposition bench at PMQ.

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claig · 23/06/2010 12:30

but don't look at them for too long, they are like the Gorgon, if you gaze at them for too long, you are turned to stone, and indeed many of them do appear stoned.

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SanctiMoanyArse · 23/06/2010 12:38

St you are right, presumed but they wouldn;'t have done it as aprt of a huge budget in a recession if they were not looking to save cash.

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SanctiMoanyArse · 23/06/2010 12:40

(and no the fear won't go LOL- LEA have deferred decision for SNU until November, argh, and it's now - wait for it- 30 times over subscribed. Decision will be amde on Ed Psych assessment. our area ahs no Ed PSych (school serves several areas). ARGGGGGHGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!)

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