FFS Clacton

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You had a chance to put a stop to the dodgy little lying, pathetic twat and you blew it.

Now we have to listen to his bollocks and hate inducing garbage for longer.

9,000 people voted for a bin rather than this swindler.

He can’t even bring himself to come to your town to accept the vote. He is laughing at you.

Real “man of the people’ - why can’t you see that he doesn’t give a crap about you or your problems?

Oh well at least the investigation into the £5mill can resume.

What a fucking waste of time and money. Disgusting. Disappointed in you guys. 🙈

@BoredZelda these posts epitomise the attitude that is going to win Reform the election.

Telling people they are stupid and don’t know what they’re talking about.

Telling people that immigration is benefiting their country.
Telling people they’re racist, and all they care about is the colour of immigrants’ skin.

What you are forgetting is that most people don’t read about politics, they don’t study the economics of a country, they don’t know the details of, for example, visa overstays. They have busy lives and they react to what the see in front of them.

And what they see is images of French coastguards waving off boats full of young men who then land on UK shores. They see asylum hotels, with scary-looking men hanging around outside. They see the hospital appointment they’re waiting literally years for. They see the 40 kids in their child’s class at school. They see the Big Issue sellers who are never British. They see their high street taken over by nail bars, vape shops and “Turkish” barbers.

And rightly or wrongly, they blame immigration, and they want to vote for someone who they think will change it. And that’s Farage.

If you want to challenge people’s misunderstandings, you have to try and see the world through their eyes.

Lied like Trump about police saying he wasnt safe to attend ...scary depressing times

Totally agree with this.

It was a circus but doesn't mean the general public shouldn't get to vote for any main party they want. Not giving the voter a chance to show who they would have voted for was the wrong move. Not surprised the turn out seems low.

Immigration is cumulative. The numbers here continue to increase.

I’m not entirely sure what your point is but yes, I think the massive surge of non-EU immigration post-Brexit is responsible for an increase in people thinking immigration is much too high.

I mean, it makes sense doesn’t it? Immigration becoming much too high being linked to people starting to think it’s much too high?

All those things are a result of the things Reform support...government retreat, low cost, low regulation etc...

.05% of people in the UK haven't caused any of that ...denying the racism of it all isn't honest

Exactly.
Of course Farage isn’t the answer. But he’s the only one who appears to be taking the concern of the public seriously. I believe he’d be an absolute disaster of a PM, and that a Reform government would be a catastrophe. But the fact remains that immigration has been the major political issue for years now, and only Farage seems to want to prioritise it.

From where?

The major parties have failed us. They made a total cock-up of the Brexit question. Cameron was half hearted and Corbyn stayed on the fence.
After the Referendum they bungled the treaty negotiations. Teresa May trying to pretend that it didn't happen.
Now so much Immigration. Left Wing self hate trying to stop us flying our flags.
Giving away Chagos Islands and £millions for 10 years.
Churches crumbling but Archbishop of Canterbury will not give any money but will send money to African Governments, mostly led by dictators.
Hardly anyone feels better off than they did 15 years ago. More tax rises forecast by Burnham.
Judges accepting feeble excuses for illegals and criminals to stay here.
Only Reform and Restore offering any hope for us.
Which I find very sad indeed.

But Farage (and Reform) has no viable plan to halt illegal immigration (which only rocketed after the Brexit he championed).
The Clacton voters need to give their heads a wobble.

I believe this is where most people in this country actually sit and how they feel.

My question was about the minority who want to stop any changes to ILR for boriswavers in order to ensure their pockets are filled? Will they win the pocket wars?

Do you live in Clacton?

Reform is an example of Extreme. Hence the problem.

We had very high asylum claims pre Brexit. And EU countries are struggling with the same issue regardless of no Brexit.

Funny Andy Burnham and Keir Starmer are two people who come to mind fit this description.

@Anyahyacinth people see what they see, and they react. You dismiss them as stupid and “wrong” at your peril.

speaking about money - i don't see anyone criticising Andy Burnham for wasting money on a by election so he could become PM. I don't see anyone criticising him for planning nearly a year ahead to get No. 10 north bought and ready...

The rise of Reform has to do with the populist bug which the whole world has caught. In part, from constant social media consumption. It’s a bigger problem the world over.

It is not because people don’t like being told they’re stupid.

And a lot of Reform were actually in government when it happened.

I’ve seen loads of criticism of him for that. Tonnes.

I was sad when Labour won the General election but as a fully grown adult i accept that others have the freedom to vote for their choice. I could never be that intolerant to rant about how others vote. I would imagine you are left leaning as obviously you believe your way is the "right and only" way to vote and you have to rant when others dare to vote differently to you.

The movement of people is on the rise. Look at Ceuta recently. Politicians will be under pressure via votes.

Mainly because of pressure from Reform.

Which other parties could they have voted for? Not the Tories, Labour or any major one.

(Obligatory MN disclaimer: I’m not a Farage fan. But this is how he shapes politics and he’s been incredibly successful at it. People saying the voters are stupid because he doesn’t spend time in the constituency or whatever are totally missing the point).

There is no universal truth. You can also show that small boats crossing started when there was a crack down on illegal crossing in lorries. Nothing to do with Brexit just happened to be implemented at the same time. People used to come hidden in lorries now they can't so come on small boats. The easiest way to stop small boat crossing would be to turn off the scanners for lorries that detect hidden people.