Ann Widdecombe Thread 2

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If she’s been murdered for her opinions we are on a slippery slope. Any psychopath can decide he doesn’t like the Trans and they should be stopped, one by one.

At least she was always very willing to discuss her views and to accept and respect that other people had very different ones.

In very stark contrast to the likes of that odious TRA who tweeted how happy he was that she'd died and that he hoped she'd experienced a lot of pain in the process - the sort who scream '#nodebate' and seek to silence and cancel anybody who disagrees with them.

No, I think there's too many variables.

Imagine being on a train with your asthmatic child and a woman pepper sprays a man who approaches her, and it later transpires he was just asking her what stop he needs to get off at but she was just very nervous.

Think of all the women on Mumsnet who either openly hate men or say they don't trust them at all.

And then think of them legally carrying pepper spray.

Great ideas

Yes there is in the UK. It’s illegal for men and woman to carry pepper spray and carries a sentence of up to 10 years.

Maybe because a lot of anti trans people support or downplay them being murdered, mock their suicides and generally want to pathologize them as a would be existential threat to everyone, on the basis of being trans?

This quote by Keanu Reeves summarizes it: "Some people will test your limits on purpose, pushing your buttons to see how far they can go. If they can push you to explode, lash out, or lose your calm, they win—not because they’re right, but because you handed them the evidence they were looking for. They want to validate the distorted narrative they’ve constructed, paint you as the villain, and call you a monster."

There have been many theories around Jill's murder yet nobody has been convicted. It was never in a million years Barry George, he was just a convenient patsy.
It seems it was a professional hit.
Barry George has never been compensated for his time wrongly served in jail 😡

Good idea! Hadn’t thought about that.

Dartmoor is a funny old place, full of loners and strays. There was a TV documentary once about oddball blokes who wander off there and live off roadkill etc. In fact I once went out with one! (before he started eating roadkill I mean)

The police now believe she was attacked at around 12.30pm on Wednesday 8 July, which ties in with the timeline of the 1218 call and Channel 5 being unable to reach her at 1248.

I did not like her or her views. But when equal marriage came in and she was asked if it it should be removed, she said of course not, because you couldn’t/shouldn’t take something away once granted. That meant I respected her stance.

Having said that, no bright, active, articulate 78 year old woman should be murdered at her age. She must have assumed she would die of an old age disease, preferably in her bed, in her 90s.

We don’t know who killed her or why and we’ve been asked not to speculate.

Have you never breathed in hairspray or perfume. It gives time to distract the assailant and run. In reality if an assailant is hellbent on their purpose pepper spray or whatever is limited especially if the assailant is wearing a mask. I don’t think letting anyone carrying pepper spray is a good idea. There’s too many half wits in the world male and female to it being used effectively and safely.

Have you never breathed in hairspray or perfume.

Yes, I used to work in a hairdressers and I wear perfume every day.

No assailant is getting distracted by such a weak stream of spray, as you and they would have to stand there for a fair amount of time to get enough in their eyes.

And of course you'd have to be alarmingly close to them for the spray to reach from the bottle to their eyes.

@AlgaeDreams "But they were only views. She was hardly Thatcher who's decisions affected the lives of millions and still do."

I couldn't agree more. Her politics and mine were polar opposites but her voracious support for the hunting ban along with other rigorous laws on animal protection were almost unparalleled in parliament.

Nick Ross wrote an interesting piece about how it v likely was Barry George, worth a read as I thought the same as you before I read it.

A quick blast in the mush with deep heat is quite effective to fend off an attacker, I am told

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cjw8j46z7yqt
According to BBC - Seems Channel 5 were in contact with her at 12.15 on Wednesday re a later interview, tried again at 12.45 no answer,

Did anyone raise the alarm then?

Paramedics rang police at 11.40 on Thursday after finding her. Bit strange...

BTW, this site has removed threads criticizing abortion before.

And quite effective in blinding yourself in the process.

Why would anyone ring the police just because they're unable to contact someone half an hour later? 😳

Total misuse of police time.

The problem is you don't walk about with it in your hand all the time with your finger on the trigger and pointed in the right direction. It would be fine if the assailant gave you time to get it out point and spray, but chances are they already hit you twice. And it gives a false sense of safety, I've got my spray so I'm OK going down that dark alley, or cutting through the woods.

From what I have read channel 5 contacted her agent on Weds after they were unable to contact her for the zoom call. Sounds like it was left until Thurs to actually investigate.

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In the BBC article online it states that family contacted a neighbour, because the couldn’t contact Ann, Neighbour went around and found her, then called ambulance, paramedics then informed police. So it wasn’t a carer calling in who found her as previously reported. I’ll try and find the article and link it.

If someone sprayed hairspray or perfume unexpectedly in your face it would shock you momentarily as you breathed it in and if it went in your eyes again sting them to stop them in their tracks giving enough time to run away. That is not remotely the same as spraying hairspray in someone’s hair. I suspect you protected their face and held your breath whilst doing it because it’s not pleasant when you breathed it in or it goes in your eyes. Spraying perfume on your skin which I do every day is not remotely the same as spraying it unexpectedly in someone’s face.

I think you’re proving my point about the dangers of giving pepper spray to people who are not properly equipped to use it safely and effectively.

Yes but I can't imagine anyone running to the police about it at that stage.

Phone accidentally on silent, wifi down etc would've been the first thought of most people I imagine.