Ann Widdecombe Thread 2

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Only one MP so far not paying their respects during Commons live.

No, but by listing one of the things that it doesn’t appear to be, they’re leaving themselves open to criticism, if it then does turn out to be that thing.

I think several people believe the rule is or should be "the police are allowed to make statements ruling out right wing or populist interpretations even before there is evidence because this is necessary for public safety after Southport but if they say anything in favour of those interpretations then no-one is allowed to even mention the police statements on social media because that's prejudice"

Look I fully allow for my own bias but it's interesting that people are happy to take statements like "a white man was arrested" and "there is no evidence at this time of terrorist involvement" (see also, Welsh choirboy etc) as bland statements of truth from trusted authorities, which can be used to make social media posts like "ha, it was a white guy, Reform can't twist this" etc

You’ve quoted part of the threat, from the same article

“Islamic extremism remains the biggest threat but over the past five years”

Which is why the IRGC are now proscribed as terrorists.

the response of the police in tackling a "credible threat" to the festival had "undoubtedly saved lives".

Extremely worrying. It sounds like a matter of when, not if.

It's also a shame for the festival goers that the event had to end early.

That was already known,

This part isn't

Taylor said that the threat level in the U.K. was raised in April from “substantial” to “severe,” partly because cases linked to extreme far right ideologies are “growing substantially.”

It can't be dismissed. Both are extremely dangerous.

This is true, but also a reflection of Reform/the populist right's pitchfork, flamethrower first, engage brains later policy. It thrives on manufacturing hate.

So does some of the left, don't get me wrong. But ALL of Reform's success is predicated on feeding hate.

The police shouldn't have to rule anything in or out, but the riots and the burnings mean we are where we are.

Yes.
The House of Com­mons adjourned last Tues­day for sum­mer recess. This means MPS are not required to be in West­min­ster over the next few weeks, until the House returns on Monday, Septem­ber 1.

They get even longer holidays than teachers.

And a damn sight more money !

!00,000 visitors - I'm not surprised the locals want it cancelled !

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15765687/Muslim-pilgrims-descend-Suffolk-town-festival.html

It's also a shame for the festival goers that the event had to end early.

Not for the locals it wasn't !

We're not. It's one of the risks of being alive.

Glastonbury gets 210,000 visitors, do you want that cancelled too?

I was thinking that today actually. Why don't they just get the same two weeks :) They don't start recess until Thursday though.

Well I can't say I am surprised that counter-terrorism is involved. It seemed vanishingly unlikely that an ex-MP was killed for random reasons.

I still maintain that nobody was misled over Southport. It was blindlingly obvious to me (though clearly not others) that "Cardiff born" was code for someone who isn't white but was born here. And they wanted to make clear it wasn't a first generation immigrant.

That isn't swamping a small village, because it's held at a farm.

You see it on here though - regular threads along the lines of "could you be friends with someone who is a racist".

People don't understand nuance. Or that people can be nasty about one thing but nice about another.

I have a friend who voted in favour of Brexit. I was and still am a rabid Remainer. But we overlook that and still talk to each other.

Glastonbury festival "heavily stresses the rural infrastructure, causing severe traffic gridlock, strain on emergency services, and thousands of tonnes of waste that local volunteers must clean up".

So why the double standard?

More than that, many of them aren't there because it is recess.

Yes it's called being adults.

They get even longer holidays than teachers.

They'll still be dealing with correspondence and constituency affairs. Ministers will be dealing with their ministries. Plus meetings, visits, research connected to any special interests they have.

Well they don't finish work at 3.30.

I thought this would be a great opportunity to share condolences and nice memories. Glad all but one who have spoken since Shabana's statements have shown respect.

I can't comment on a quote that has no source listed.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz9d893r586o

Who is the “one”?