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Ann Widdecombe Thread 2

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dapsnotplimsolls · 11/07/2026 11:48

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BackToLurk · 13/07/2026 15:51

LuckyHazelFox · 13/07/2026 15:44

The minority that doesn't want certain discussion being made. Is that OK?.I know its a desperate attempt to bring a phobia into a thread about a murder ex MP.

Which minority "doesn't want certain discussion being made"?

sittingonabeach · 13/07/2026 15:52

And now people are speculating about what he had in the car with him

LuckyHazelFox · 13/07/2026 15:53

BackToLurk · 13/07/2026 15:51

Which minority "doesn't want certain discussion being made"?

Proponents of (selective) free speech.

nicepotoftea · 13/07/2026 15:55

Lifeomars · 13/07/2026 15:48

It's since the advent of social media. Of course people have always speculated, gossiped and spread rumours. It is just now that any indvidual can post a video on YouTube, make a comment on X that goes viral and reaches millions or even post some errant nonsense on Facebook and there is it for all to see when a case goes to court. What eveyone wants is for whoever is reponsible is charged, tried and convicted but rumour and conjecture can hamper this. Judges always caution juries not to research anything connected with a trial because it can influence then and cause a trial to collapse, Nobody wants that

I think journalists actually made up evidence about 'Jack the Ripper' to entertain their readers, so there is nothing new about intense public interest in crime. However, until a few decades ago most people had to wait until at least the next news broadcast to get updates. Now we have social media we are all journalists.

BackToLurk · 13/07/2026 15:56

LuckyHazelFox · 13/07/2026 15:53

Proponents of (selective) free speech.

Could you elaborate. How are the public being manipulated in favour of/to protect a minority who are "Proponents of (selective) free speech"? Who are this minority? What is the protection they are being given? What form does the manipulation take? I'm sure you don't intend to be vague, but you are.

sussexman · 13/07/2026 15:56

LuckyHazelFox · 13/07/2026 15:53

Proponents of (selective) free speech.

Ah, The Free Speech Union - I see.

placemats · 13/07/2026 15:56

sittingonabeach · 13/07/2026 15:52

And now people are speculating about what he had in the car with him

The video shows him opening the passenger side door. Obviously in other countries the door would be the driver's side.

Viviennemary · 13/07/2026 16:02

MaturingCheeseball · 13/07/2026 15:46

On a point of law, what does “re-arrested” mean? The man was already under arrest.

I thought the same. If he was already arrested how can he be re-arrested even if it was for a different crime. But probably to comply with the different terms allowed for a terrorism arrest. Like allowed to keep the suspect in custody for longer.

Middlemarch123 · 13/07/2026 16:05

Telegraph reporting killing is now being treated as an act of terrorism. I can’t link, but online headline.

InfamousScarlett · 13/07/2026 16:08

Giggorata · 13/07/2026 14:50

Guns already are in in the wrong hands, regardless of any legislation. It was always the case, as just as it is with other weapons, such as blades.
People can get hold of anything on the black market, including armed forces type weapons, without having to steal them from legitimate owners.

Yes, and if half the population are legally allowed them they would be far easier to get hold of.

GoneWithTHeWindJammers · 13/07/2026 16:12

If It's terrorism, how are we safe?

MaturingCheeseball · 13/07/2026 16:15

Viviennemary · 13/07/2026 16:02

I thought the same. If he was already arrested how can he be re-arrested even if it was for a different crime. But probably to comply with the different terms allowed for a terrorism arrest. Like allowed to keep the suspect in custody for longer.

Ah yes. I see that.

I note that the lovely Greens want to remove the extra time allowed to hold terrorism suspects in custody. (Btw I hope that Heather Herbert bloke stands as a Green next time - let us see more of him and his ilk in their full horror.)

snowbear22 · 13/07/2026 16:24

An episode of antiques roadshow had been on TV 5 days ago showing her home, you do have to wonder if this is why she was chosen by the perpetrator.

The Nancy Guthrie case in the US is similar in that her murderer chose an older lady who was living alone and her house had been featured on TV many times in segments through the years with her daughter Savanna - a TV host and reporter on the Today show.
Savanna had security but her mother of course had not.

It is easier now to discover the exact whereabouts of any home featured on TV and to target vunerable people, perhaps she was targeted because those politicians higher up than Anne have security but Anne did not.

Savanna and Nancy Guthrie segment

C8H10N4O2 · 13/07/2026 16:25

BIossomtoes · 13/07/2026 09:23

I asked for evidence of incitement to violence from the left, not allegations about trans activists.

The person mentioned on this thread was both a member and an election candidate for the Green Party, not a single issue private individual. In areas I know well from canvassing there was no shortage of really unpleasant hate promoting the Green candidates, all of it identity based (mostly anti semitic in those areas but some on other identity characteristics depending on which ward was covered). The actual environment was rarely if ever mentioned.

I would never kid myself that spreading hate is the preserve of one faction in politics.

What is different from canvassing/campaigning 20+ years ago is the authoritarianism and absolutism. 20+ years ago the aim was winning hearts and minds (both single issue campaigns such as Stonewall’s or broader political campaigns). Now its just about identities and screaming bigot in the face of those who disagree. There is no interest from the newer parties and a chunk of the old in making a case, finding a middle ground, looking for the nuance. There is no debate to be had, just compliance. I have never found screeching “bigot” in someone’s face to make any difference to the world, however much of a smug glow it gives to the screamer. It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words...

Widdecombe held many views I profoundly disagreed with. She also stood by and supported people she disagreed with and protected their rights to free speech and often in the face of criticism from her own side. This is not uncommon despite what the authoritarians on both political wings would have us believe.

JulietteHasAGun · 13/07/2026 16:30

LuckyHazelFox · 13/07/2026 13:55

Zia Yusuf reported the speaker of the House ignored emails from a female Reform representative to be protected. Miraculously after this case he managed to respond. I take it Reform have upped their security while the investigation is ongoing.

My local mayor is Reform and apparently has now been provided with security “by Reform”.

LuckyHazelFox · 13/07/2026 16:31

Great statement by Shabana.

Smeuse · 13/07/2026 16:32

GoneWithTHeWindJammers · 13/07/2026 16:12

If It's terrorism, how are we safe?

It is worrying

"At a press conference on Thursday, the head of UK Counter Terrorism Policing, Laurence Taylor, said the threat from extreme-right wing terrorism was rising and had been a key driver of the decision to raise the national terror threat level from substantial to “severe” in May"

sittingonabeach · 13/07/2026 16:33

So few MPs in Parliament. Are they in summer recess?

EasternStandard · 13/07/2026 16:36

Smeuse · 13/07/2026 16:32

It is worrying

"At a press conference on Thursday, the head of UK Counter Terrorism Policing, Laurence Taylor, said the threat from extreme-right wing terrorism was rising and had been a key driver of the decision to raise the national terror threat level from substantial to “severe” in May"

Where is that from? This is Mi5

This change follows the stabbings in Golders Green on 29 April, although it is not solely a result of that attack. The UK has been experiencing a gradual increase in terrorist threats for some time. This has been driven by a rise in both Islamist and Extreme Right-Wing terrorist threat from individuals and small groups in the UK.

https://www.mi5.gov.uk/uk-national-terrorism-threat-level-raised-to-severe

InfamousScarlett · 13/07/2026 16:39

GoneWithTHeWindJammers · 13/07/2026 16:12

If It's terrorism, how are we safe?

The suspect is in custody. There’s always a risk of terrorism. Not suddenly worse.

placemats · 13/07/2026 16:40

C8H10N4O2 · 13/07/2026 16:25

The person mentioned on this thread was both a member and an election candidate for the Green Party, not a single issue private individual. In areas I know well from canvassing there was no shortage of really unpleasant hate promoting the Green candidates, all of it identity based (mostly anti semitic in those areas but some on other identity characteristics depending on which ward was covered). The actual environment was rarely if ever mentioned.

I would never kid myself that spreading hate is the preserve of one faction in politics.

What is different from canvassing/campaigning 20+ years ago is the authoritarianism and absolutism. 20+ years ago the aim was winning hearts and minds (both single issue campaigns such as Stonewall’s or broader political campaigns). Now its just about identities and screaming bigot in the face of those who disagree. There is no interest from the newer parties and a chunk of the old in making a case, finding a middle ground, looking for the nuance. There is no debate to be had, just compliance. I have never found screeching “bigot” in someone’s face to make any difference to the world, however much of a smug glow it gives to the screamer. It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words...

Widdecombe held many views I profoundly disagreed with. She also stood by and supported people she disagreed with and protected their rights to free speech and often in the face of criticism from her own side. This is not uncommon despite what the authoritarians on both political wings would have us believe.

Edited

The first transgender MP was Katie Wallis (elected in 2019 as Jamie Wallis). She/he came out in March 2022. Wallis was elected as a Conservative MP under Boris Johnson as PM. She was convicted for harassment of her ex-wife for which she received a restraining order for a year.

Whyohwhy1974 · 13/07/2026 16:43

icingonmycupcake · 13/07/2026 15:42

It's days into an investigation. Surely you understand that there may be changes as they probe deeper into the evidence they're collating. There wasn't evidence to suggest a political motivation when they made that statement. Now there is.

Constantly having to update the public while maintaining the integrity of an ongoing investigation while at the same time not prejudicing a potential future court case must be a nightmare.

All this to placate the purveyors of 24hr 'news', conspiracy theorists and armchair detectives.

Surely I understand? I'm not fucking stupid, of course I understand. It's precisely because there will be changes that I'm saying it's prudent for them not to be drawn until they've looked into the most basic facts of the case.

Smeuse · 13/07/2026 16:44

EasternStandard · 13/07/2026 16:36

Where is that from? This is Mi5

This change follows the stabbings in Golders Green on 29 April, although it is not solely a result of that attack. The UK has been experiencing a gradual increase in terrorist threats for some time. This has been driven by a rise in both Islamist and Extreme Right-Wing terrorist threat from individuals and small groups in the UK.

https://www.mi5.gov.uk/uk-national-terrorism-threat-level-raised-to-severe

https://apnews.com/article/britain-police-threats-russia-iran-online-d42e6e2e6c291ac60dadcfe11c9fb4bc

This 2024 photo provided by the Metropolitan Police shows damage to a warehouse in east London that was storing goods for Ukraine, after a fire that prosecutors said was organized on behalf of Russia's intelligence services. (London Metropolitan Police...

Technology is driving an increase in attacks and threats to the UK, senior officials say

Senior British policing officials say technology and online platforms are increasingly being exploited for threats to the United Kingdom.

https://apnews.com/article/britain-police-threats-russia-iran-online-d42e6e2e6c291ac60dadcfe11c9fb4bc

nicepotoftea · 13/07/2026 16:46

Whyohwhy1974 · 13/07/2026 16:43

Surely I understand? I'm not fucking stupid, of course I understand. It's precisely because there will be changes that I'm saying it's prudent for them not to be drawn until they've looked into the most basic facts of the case.

She was a politician, so I assume that when they said they had no evidence they were either pre-empting or answering an obvious question.

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