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Change law to kick out Rochdale rapist, No 10 urged

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Twiglets1 · 03/07/2026 07:10

Reported in The Telegraph that Labour is facing mounting pressure to change immigration laws immediately so that a child rapist freed from jail can be deported.

Shabir Ahmed, 73, was sentenced to more than 20 years in jail after being convicted of 30 child rape offences as part of the Rochdale grooming gang.

But on Thursday, the Pakistan-born rapist was released after serving 14 years.

Britain stripped him of his citizenship, but cannot currently deport him because of protections granted to Commonwealth immigrants such as Ahmed under the Immigration Act 1971.

On Thursday, Downing Street said the Prime Minister had asked Shabana Mahmood, the Home Secretary, to “consider what can be done” to deport Ahmed, describing his case as “particularly heinous”.

It comes after Andy Burnham, expected to succeed Sir Keir Starmer as prime minister, also vowed to “review all options” to deport the "vile criminal".

The amendment to Ms Mahmood’s immigration bill will propose rewriting the 1971 act to permit the removal of serious criminals such as Ahmed.

However, even if an amendment were to pass, two senior Pakistani government officials told The Telegraph that the country would not accept Ahmed back because he renounced his Pakistani citizenship “several decades ago”.

They added that he posed a danger to Pakistani children.

If their claim is correct, it places Ahmed in the same situation as two other freed Pakistani ringleaders of the Rochdale grooming gang whom Pakistan has refused to take back.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/02/deport-foreign-born-child-rapists-demand-labour-mps/

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LuckyHazelFox · 22/07/2026 08:56

Sorry, didn't beyond a pay wall. So British Pakistanis are protesting that the rapist shouldn't be deported. They are claiming 'far' right groups are pushing for this. No care for the victims just for their 'brother'. Shabana Mahmood is being targetted for her race. Nice bit of emotional blackmail going on there. Thank goodness Mahmood puts Britain first.

5MinuteArgument · 22/07/2026 09:35

LuckyHazelFox · 22/07/2026 08:51

Disgraceful and I presume she's going to push back on this.

Shabana Mahmood faces British Pakistani revolt over Rochdale rapist sanctions https://share.google/5IW0hpbF792dNgrL7

Yes, the more extreme elements of the British Pakistani community have been enabled by the progressive liberal left who would rather turn a blind eye to the abuse of thousands of white British girls than admit that multiculturalism doesn't live up to their fantasy.

I have met these people. They will say that clan based CSE committed by Pakistani-heritage men is a lie created by the far right, despite all the evidence. These people have done enormous damage to our country.

LuckyHazelFox · 22/07/2026 09:48

5MinuteArgument · 22/07/2026 09:35

Yes, the more extreme elements of the British Pakistani community have been enabled by the progressive liberal left who would rather turn a blind eye to the abuse of thousands of white British girls than admit that multiculturalism doesn't live up to their fantasy.

I have met these people. They will say that clan based CSE committed by Pakistani-heritage men is a lie created by the far right, despite all the evidence. These people have done enormous damage to our country.

💯 and we have every right to say it. We aren't going to back down for fear of unfounded labels and neither will Mahmood. I was pleased on her keeping that cabinet appointment. My respect for her has increased immensely. Also, her words after Ann's murder were respectful and poignant.

Lalgarh · 22/07/2026 10:01

5MinuteArgument · 22/07/2026 09:35

Yes, the more extreme elements of the British Pakistani community have been enabled by the progressive liberal left who would rather turn a blind eye to the abuse of thousands of white British girls than admit that multiculturalism doesn't live up to their fantasy.

I have met these people. They will say that clan based CSE committed by Pakistani-heritage men is a lie created by the far right, despite all the evidence. These people have done enormous damage to our country.

Mahmoud had to face activists telling constituents that it was Haram to vote.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ng3j1pnpqo

The Gaza activists like Akhmed Yakoob were particularly gunning for her. They were also for Jess Phillips, which made her later sympathy for the BRUVVERS when they surrounded that pub during the 2024 riots so baffling

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-riots-jess-phillips-birmingham-bordesley-green-b2591790.html

Jess Phillips is on the left with Shabana Mahmood on the right. Ms Phillips has long brown hair to her shoulders and has big hooped earrings, we can only see her face. Ms Mahmood has long black hair to her shoulders, is smiling and has red lipstick and...

Jess Phillips and Shabana Mahmood speak of election intimidation

"This election has been the worst election I have ever stood in," Labour's Jess Phillips tells the count.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ng3j1pnpqo

LuckyHazelFox · 22/07/2026 10:26

These men will have to learn they can't always get their way like they did with Batley.

strawberrybubblegum · 22/07/2026 11:31

I hold onto the hope that Mahmood recognises the likely consequences to UK society of continuing appeasement, and so continues with her reforms and doesn't fold.

She has the opportunity to make a genuine difference to the UK's future, I think.

LuckyHazelFox · 22/07/2026 11:34

strawberrybubblegum · 22/07/2026 11:31

I hold onto the hope that Mahmood recognises the likely consequences to UK society of continuing appeasement, and so continues with her reforms and doesn't fold.

She has the opportunity to make a genuine difference to the UK's future, I think.

Yes and it's quite clear why they are targeting her. How dare they but they've been given an inch...

strawberrybubblegum · 22/07/2026 11:55

LuckyHazelFox · 22/07/2026 08:51

Disgraceful and I presume she's going to push back on this.

Shabana Mahmood faces British Pakistani revolt over Rochdale rapist sanctions https://share.google/5IW0hpbF792dNgrL7

Here's a gift link

www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/47c85ff1f2a04191

LuckyHazelFox · 22/07/2026 12:03

strawberrybubblegum · 22/07/2026 11:55

Aww thanks. Will have a read x

LuckyHazelFox · 22/07/2026 12:05

strawberrybubblegum · 22/07/2026 11:55

Ah, so their fight is in Pakistan's interest. Yeah right.

strawberrybubblegum · 22/07/2026 12:24

LuckyHazelFox · 22/07/2026 12:05

Ah, so their fight is in Pakistan's interest. Yeah right.

Nail on the head. Too many people in the UK (including MPs - who are elected and paid to represent us) primarily identify with other countries, and act in their interests, not ours.

MarmaladeorJam · 22/07/2026 13:30

strawberrybubblegum · 22/07/2026 07:18

It's completely perverse to put any of the blame on British culture and laws.

People of Pakistani heritage make up about 2.5% to 2.8% of the overall UK population. If the grooming gang crimes were a result of British culture, then only 2.5 - 2.8% of the rapists would be of Pakistani heritage.

But despite the police's attempts to hide it, it's very clear that they are almost all of Pakistani heritage.

Hundreds of thousands of children raped in dozens of towns and cities. This isn't some little, local aberration.

Why are posters on here still trying to twist out of the truth? Why do they hate their own country and their own people so much?

That's the part of British culture which is to blame, if any. A fetishisation of the non-white and the non-normative. An attempt by 'progressives' to make themselves more interesting by elevating absolutely anyone above boring old white British people.

It has to stop.

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@strawberrybubblegum - I do think our culture is to blame somewhat actually.

The institutions (police, social services, schools etc) responsible for these vulnerable girls classed them, young as they were, as protagonists.

They did not investigate or challenge the men who were committing the crimes, did not even see the behaviour as crime, and dismissed the girls along with the few people who were trying to help them.

So yes - our culture is also to blame. We ignore that at our peril.

I do not deny that these specimens (grooming gangs) racially profiled their victims. Afterall, their victims have claimed it to be true and there is no reason to disbelieve such well spoken and reasoned women. It also seems fairly self evident.

strawberrybubblegum · 22/07/2026 15:03

MarmaladeorJam · 22/07/2026 13:30

@strawberrybubblegum - I do think our culture is to blame somewhat actually.

The institutions (police, social services, schools etc) responsible for these vulnerable girls classed them, young as they were, as protagonists.

They did not investigate or challenge the men who were committing the crimes, did not even see the behaviour as crime, and dismissed the girls along with the few people who were trying to help them.

So yes - our culture is also to blame. We ignore that at our peril.

I do not deny that these specimens (grooming gangs) racially profiled their victims. Afterall, their victims have claimed it to be true and there is no reason to disbelieve such well spoken and reasoned women. It also seems fairly self evident.

Our culture and institutions should be held responsible for failing to act to protect those girls, certainly. We must act to change that culture - it is an act of national self-harm that our institutions and government have resisted that so hard.

But pp (and the Pakistani gov) seem to be claiming that it is our culture which corrupted the rapists.

The Pakistani government have said the men were 'raised, groomed and unfortunately spoiled' in the UK - implying that their actions were caused by our culture and so they are morally our responsibility.

PP seem to suggest that this minimises the men's personal responsibility. Complete DARVO.

But as far as cultural influence goes, it being almost entirely Pakistan-origin men shows that any cultural corruption is from their heritage-culture, not UK culture. So that argument fails completely.

Those men are not our responsibility - they are not our citizens, and their moral corruption did not come from British culture.

LuckyHazelFox · 22/07/2026 15:05

strawberrybubblegum · 22/07/2026 15:03

Our culture and institutions should be held responsible for failing to act to protect those girls, certainly. We must act to change that culture - it is an act of national self-harm that our institutions and government have resisted that so hard.

But pp (and the Pakistani gov) seem to be claiming that it is our culture which corrupted the rapists.

The Pakistani government have said the men were 'raised, groomed and unfortunately spoiled' in the UK - implying that their actions were caused by our culture and so they are morally our responsibility.

PP seem to suggest that this minimises the men's personal responsibility. Complete DARVO.

But as far as cultural influence goes, it being almost entirely Pakistan-origin men shows that any cultural corruption is from their heritage-culture, not UK culture. So that argument fails completely.

Those men are not our responsibility - they are not our citizens, and their moral corruption did not come from British culture.

Don't they come out with some absolute BS to excuse their own culture.

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Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 22/07/2026 15:26

Considering the sheer volume of sexual abuse that happens in Pakistan it does look like the Pakistani government are saying he was ' spoiled' by having access to young girls. They are correct in that our authorities put them above the law, turning a blind eye and enabling these people on the grounds of their ' culture' when what they should have done is tell them in no uncertain terms that they didn't give a fuck about their culture and that they were not allowed to pass teenage girls around. There were social workers who stood witness at ' weddings', people in authority who forced raped girls to hand their babies over to their abusers and the various politicians who not only turned a blind eye but actively covered it up.

MarmaladeorJam · 22/07/2026 15:43

strawberrybubblegum · 22/07/2026 15:03

Our culture and institutions should be held responsible for failing to act to protect those girls, certainly. We must act to change that culture - it is an act of national self-harm that our institutions and government have resisted that so hard.

But pp (and the Pakistani gov) seem to be claiming that it is our culture which corrupted the rapists.

The Pakistani government have said the men were 'raised, groomed and unfortunately spoiled' in the UK - implying that their actions were caused by our culture and so they are morally our responsibility.

PP seem to suggest that this minimises the men's personal responsibility. Complete DARVO.

But as far as cultural influence goes, it being almost entirely Pakistan-origin men shows that any cultural corruption is from their heritage-culture, not UK culture. So that argument fails completely.

Those men are not our responsibility - they are not our citizens, and their moral corruption did not come from British culture.

We more or less agree @strawberrybubblegum .

The only difference (for me) is our, as in British, responsibility.

While I don't think our culture is entirely responsible for him, it is partly responsible for eat has gone on.

When he came here our newspapers ran daily photos of topless girls. That only stopped in 2005. Rape in marriage became illegal in 1991. Police services are, at the very least, sexist. The legal system? It is shockingly hard to get convictions for sexual assault. I mean, we talk about Sharia law requiring 5 male witnesses? Well I posit that our system is not much better, it just wears different clothes.

That man knew that he would/could get away with what he was doing as long as he chose carefully.

He knew that his word, as a man, and as a Pakistani, would be taken over theirs - young and poor.

5MinuteArgument · 22/07/2026 17:00

I really hope Mahmood and the new government understand the harm all this appeasement is doing. I hope they get how angry people are and if they carry on in the same vein they will hand this country over to the far right, which I assume is something they don't want.

They need to ditch this current attempt to cover up the stats about nationality and crime. They shows certain nationalities commit more crime, some to a much greater extent. If that's what it shows, so be it. Let's deal with the reality. Pretending these crimes aren't happening or minimising them, just makes things so much worse. It makes people lose faith in the system, which is the main ingredient for civil war.

5MinuteArgument · 22/07/2026 17:09

I'm really unimpressed by Lucy Powell, Deputy Leader of the Labour Party. Her response when asked about the grooming gangs was: “Oh we want to blow that little trumpet now, do we? Let’s get that dog whistle out shall we?”

She apologised later, but as the saying goes: when people show you who they are, believe them. I was hoping she'd be sacked or demoted, but she seems to be in the ascendency in the new government, which is concerning.

LuckyHazelFox · 22/07/2026 17:58

Lalgarh · 22/07/2026 17:51

She has to look after her own wellbeing. She tried to make a difference but you can only imagine the opening of old wounds going on there.

BIossomtoes · 22/07/2026 18:00

She was so brave to tell her story. I heard an interview with her and she was awesome. Kudos to her.

JoySara · 22/07/2026 18:23

Minasama · 03/07/2026 08:48

Their women are protected, they aren’t allowed out without a related male chaperone.
For very good reason, clearly!

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I live in a town with a high number of Muslims, have lived here most of my life, and see Muslim women and girls out and about without male chaperones every day.

JoySara · 22/07/2026 18:27

The laws and guidance that were meant to protect children from sexual abuse and assault were not enforced.

The girls were said to be making lifestyle choices, to be child prostitutes.

strawberrybubblegum · 22/07/2026 21:05

Lalgarh · 22/07/2026 17:51

Brave woman. I'm sure she'll bring her experience and strength in other ways.