Help end medical misogyny. Sign our petition.

Help end medical misogyny.
Sign our petition.

Sign the petition

Please or to access all these features

Politics

Change law to kick out Rochdale rapist, No 10 urged

275 replies

Twiglets1 · 03/07/2026 07:10

Reported in The Telegraph that Labour is facing mounting pressure to change immigration laws immediately so that a child rapist freed from jail can be deported.

Shabir Ahmed, 73, was sentenced to more than 20 years in jail after being convicted of 30 child rape offences as part of the Rochdale grooming gang.

But on Thursday, the Pakistan-born rapist was released after serving 14 years.

Britain stripped him of his citizenship, but cannot currently deport him because of protections granted to Commonwealth immigrants such as Ahmed under the Immigration Act 1971.

On Thursday, Downing Street said the Prime Minister had asked Shabana Mahmood, the Home Secretary, to “consider what can be done” to deport Ahmed, describing his case as “particularly heinous”.

It comes after Andy Burnham, expected to succeed Sir Keir Starmer as prime minister, also vowed to “review all options” to deport the "vile criminal".

The amendment to Ms Mahmood’s immigration bill will propose rewriting the 1971 act to permit the removal of serious criminals such as Ahmed.

However, even if an amendment were to pass, two senior Pakistani government officials told The Telegraph that the country would not accept Ahmed back because he renounced his Pakistani citizenship “several decades ago”.

They added that he posed a danger to Pakistani children.

If their claim is correct, it places Ahmed in the same situation as two other freed Pakistani ringleaders of the Rochdale grooming gang whom Pakistan has refused to take back.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/02/deport-foreign-born-child-rapists-demand-labour-mps/

OP posts:
5MinuteArgument · 08/07/2026 16:54

I don't see why we have to just accept what the Pakistani govt says.

Handing over dissidents sounds dodgy. So why can't we say 'no' to handing over dissidents but if you don't accept these rapist ringleaders then it's no more visas for you?

5MinuteArgument · 09/07/2026 10:54

'Tough-talking' Mahmood is saying she will change the law to deport Shabir Ahmed. They are legislators after all, that's literally their job.

Sounds good. But it's got to get past the lawyers and the objections of the Pakistan government. Also there's people cleared for removal who are still here in the UK years later. And what about all the other grooming gang participants? Anyway, we shall see.

KittyCorncrake · 09/07/2026 14:05

We should just change the law and deport then the day they are convicted of a crime. Up to the Pakistani government to lock them up or not.

Nowisthetimeforicecream · 09/07/2026 14:07

KittyCorncrake · 09/07/2026 14:05

We should just change the law and deport then the day they are convicted of a crime. Up to the Pakistani government to lock them up or not.

Edited

You'd be happy for these child rapists to have no jail time if that is what their home country decided?

KittyCorncrake · 09/07/2026 16:44

Nowisthetimeforicecream · 09/07/2026 14:07

You'd be happy for these child rapists to have no jail time if that is what their home country decided?

It’s up to that country to decide what laws they want. They can lock him up or other punishment on arrival /that’s their decision.

BIossomtoes · 09/07/2026 17:28

Nowisthetimeforicecream · 09/07/2026 14:07

You'd be happy for these child rapists to have no jail time if that is what their home country decided?

It wouldn’t be our problem, would it?

Nowisthetimeforicecream · 09/07/2026 17:29

KittyCorncrake · 09/07/2026 16:44

It’s up to that country to decide what laws they want. They can lock him up or other punishment on arrival /that’s their decision.

Or just let him or free since it was in another country so who gives a shit.

EasternStandard · 09/07/2026 17:59

Twiglets1 · 08/07/2026 08:30

Pakistan sets out demands for taking back Rochdale rapist

Pakistan is demanding the extradition of political dissidents from the UK if Britain wants to secure the deportation of the Rochdale grooming gang ringleader.

A senior Pakistani government official has told The Telegraph that Britain needs to “respect the issues that matter” to Pakistan rather than resort to “arm-twisting” and threats to return Shabir Ahmed, a child rapist, to Pakistan.

Pakistan has refused to take back Ahmed and two other ringleaders of the Rochdale grooming gang because they claim not to be Pakistani, having renounced their citizenship.

However, the official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Pakistan was prepared to think “out of the box” and “beyond normal procedures” on what it might agree to pave the way for a possible return of Ahmed to Pakistan.

It is understood that Pakistan has raised concerns with the UK about several dissidents and political activists living in the UK, including two who are subject to formal extradition requests by Pakistan.

Last December it sought the extradition of Shahzad Akbar, a member of former prime minister Imran Khan’s cabinet, and Adil Raja, a Pakistani journalist and ex-military officer, for alleged “fake news” and anti-state propaganda.

“There are people using British soil to destabilise Pakistan, in violation of several British laws, but the UK has done absolutely nothing about them,” said the official.

“The UK tells us these miscreants are law-abiding and following UK law. They tell us they have to protect their human rights and free speech. We have shared evidence that they incite hatred, violence and social unrest, but the UK does not listen to us. Why double standards?”

The official suggested UK-Pakistan negotiations over Ahmed, as well as other grooming gang member, had been going on for nearly a year in anticipation of his release.

“Our position is that they [the UK] must listen to us too. Both sides need to apply standards. Pakistan cannot be railroaded into agreeing to terms and conditions that are suitable only to the UK,” he said.

“The UK knows what our demands are. We have made our demands and concerns categorically clear to the UK. Some people in the UK are only playing media games. They are not being honest.”

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/07/pakistan-sets-out-demands-for-taking-back-rochdale-rapist/

Seems problematic. I hadn’t heard of them so looked one up. He’s had home arson attacks and acid attacks and says this:

In his December 2025 speech, Akbar accused the Pakistani military regime of employing fear, terror, and illegal tactics, such as kidnapping family members, to silence opposition, arguing that the large protests proved these tactics failed. 1]

He would surely be used as a pawn and have a horrific outcome.

Imdunfer · 09/07/2026 20:27

BIossomtoes · 09/07/2026 17:28

It wouldn’t be our problem, would it?

Having been married to a non violent man for decades it's not my problem if other women's husbands beat them senseless but I still care about complete strangers. They're living breathing people.

Papyrophile · 09/07/2026 21:14

I really don't like most political regimes outside the Anglosphere and Europe. But every so often we have to pinch our nose to close out the stench, and do some horse-trading.

5MinuteArgument · 09/07/2026 21:24

We don't need to give the dissidents back. We gave Pakistan 200,000 visas over the last year. We also give them aid (this is a country with its own space programme) and we trade with them. These are the levers we could pull. If the UK government had the political will, it could be done.

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 07:12

The BBC report that Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood will set out today the legal steps she will take to deport this man.

It is not known how long it would take to change the law but one government source previously suggested it could potentially be up to a year.

OP posts:
Lalgarh · Yesterday 08:19

R4 on it now. They just cut off Maggie Oliver to go to a woman from Chatham House who says relations with Pakistan have hit a diplomatic crisis and they are refusing to accept him as they see it as a colonial mindset

MeetMeOnTheCorner · Yesterday 08:27

@LalgarhIt’s been reported for several days that Pakistan would not have him. Unfortunately social workers and campaigners don’t tell Pakistan what to do. Neither can our government. It’s that simple. We refuse to have the woman back that went to Syria so we choose not have our own citizen back. This man has been here for a long time. Unfortunately he’s our problem and we have no jurisdiction over Pakistan. The colonial link is clearly stupid. We would ask any country in these circumstances and I bet most would say no. Who wants to import someone like this?

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 11:38

MeetMeOnTheCorner · Yesterday 08:27

@LalgarhIt’s been reported for several days that Pakistan would not have him. Unfortunately social workers and campaigners don’t tell Pakistan what to do. Neither can our government. It’s that simple. We refuse to have the woman back that went to Syria so we choose not have our own citizen back. This man has been here for a long time. Unfortunately he’s our problem and we have no jurisdiction over Pakistan. The colonial link is clearly stupid. We would ask any country in these circumstances and I bet most would say no. Who wants to import someone like this?

But we give them millions in aid, hundreds of thousands of visas to their citizens, we trade with them. These are the political levers we could pull if there was a political will. 'Tough talking' Mahmood lacks the political will, as does the rest of the Labour Party.

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 11:40

MeetMeOnTheCorner · Yesterday 08:27

@LalgarhIt’s been reported for several days that Pakistan would not have him. Unfortunately social workers and campaigners don’t tell Pakistan what to do. Neither can our government. It’s that simple. We refuse to have the woman back that went to Syria so we choose not have our own citizen back. This man has been here for a long time. Unfortunately he’s our problem and we have no jurisdiction over Pakistan. The colonial link is clearly stupid. We would ask any country in these circumstances and I bet most would say no. Who wants to import someone like this?

But we've imported thousands of men like this, and we continue to do so. Our governments do not have the interests of the British people at heart. They pretend they do when they start talking tough, but it's all talk.

MeetMeOnTheCorner · Yesterday 15:37

@5MinuteArgumenti think you are confusing deportation with immigration. For someone to be deported, they have to be accepted into another country. Immigration as I’m sure you know, is entirely different.

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 18:24

MeetMeOnTheCorner · Yesterday 15:37

@5MinuteArgumenti think you are confusing deportation with immigration. For someone to be deported, they have to be accepted into another country. Immigration as I’m sure you know, is entirely different.

I know it's different. I was just pointing out the irony of the situation. Pakistan doesn't want to accept this scumbag into their country, but we've accepted thousands like him from incompatible cultures into our country. And nobody is supposed to object, or even notice, if our government had its way.

Meadowfinch · Yesterday 18:35

Looking on the bright side, once the law has been changed ...

  1. We can deport this animal and all the others who have been convicted of equally vile crimes. If that means we refuse all visas until Pakistan changes its mind, so be it.
2. It will be clear to all immigrants that sexual abuse of anyone in the UK, will get them kicked out.

Both excellent news, and the first real sign I have seen that this govt (or any other) gives a toss about the safety of women and girls.

About bloody time !!

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 18:42

Meadowfinch · Yesterday 18:35

Looking on the bright side, once the law has been changed ...

  1. We can deport this animal and all the others who have been convicted of equally vile crimes. If that means we refuse all visas until Pakistan changes its mind, so be it.
2. It will be clear to all immigrants that sexual abuse of anyone in the UK, will get them kicked out.

Both excellent news, and the first real sign I have seen that this govt (or any other) gives a toss about the safety of women and girls.

About bloody time !!

Edited

Yes, let's hope they follow through on it. It would send a clear signal that the UK actually cares about the wellbeing of its citizens.

MeetMeOnTheCorner · Yesterday 19:20

@5MinuteArgumentWhy do we expect to offload our dirty linen? Pakistan has draconian sentences for his crime but it’s not stopping Pakistani men. We don’t accept people here knowing they are rapists. Pakistan has enough of their own and they are not gojng to be told by us what to do. The government has little option but to put up our sentencing tariffs at the longer end because other countries are not interested in taking our criminals. Governments always try and look tough in these situations, wait for the fuss to die down, and then quietly fail!

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 20:02

MeetMeOnTheCorner · Yesterday 19:20

@5MinuteArgumentWhy do we expect to offload our dirty linen? Pakistan has draconian sentences for his crime but it’s not stopping Pakistani men. We don’t accept people here knowing they are rapists. Pakistan has enough of their own and they are not gojng to be told by us what to do. The government has little option but to put up our sentencing tariffs at the longer end because other countries are not interested in taking our criminals. Governments always try and look tough in these situations, wait for the fuss to die down, and then quietly fail!

Yes, that's what I think might happen. I suspect this rapist ringleader will still be comfortably back amongst his community in the UK for years to come.

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 21:11

Depressing - let’s hope it doesn’t come to that although I I do understand why Pakistan don’t want him either.

OP posts:
MeetMeOnTheCorner · Yesterday 21:41

Well at the end of the day, he did the crime and he’s done the time. Maybe the time wasn’t long enough but it was considered ok at the time - well not sure I remember it being called in for being unduly light. So we have him here - hopefully being monitored.

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 21:52

MeetMeOnTheCorner · Yesterday 21:41

Well at the end of the day, he did the crime and he’s done the time. Maybe the time wasn’t long enough but it was considered ok at the time - well not sure I remember it being called in for being unduly light. So we have him here - hopefully being monitored.

The time’s definitely not long enough! Imagine having to live on the same street as him, especially if you have daughters.

OP posts:
New posts on this thread. Refresh page