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Change law to kick out Rochdale rapist, No 10 urged

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Twiglets1 · 03/07/2026 07:10

Reported in The Telegraph that Labour is facing mounting pressure to change immigration laws immediately so that a child rapist freed from jail can be deported.

Shabir Ahmed, 73, was sentenced to more than 20 years in jail after being convicted of 30 child rape offences as part of the Rochdale grooming gang.

But on Thursday, the Pakistan-born rapist was released after serving 14 years.

Britain stripped him of his citizenship, but cannot currently deport him because of protections granted to Commonwealth immigrants such as Ahmed under the Immigration Act 1971.

On Thursday, Downing Street said the Prime Minister had asked Shabana Mahmood, the Home Secretary, to “consider what can be done” to deport Ahmed, describing his case as “particularly heinous”.

It comes after Andy Burnham, expected to succeed Sir Keir Starmer as prime minister, also vowed to “review all options” to deport the "vile criminal".

The amendment to Ms Mahmood’s immigration bill will propose rewriting the 1971 act to permit the removal of serious criminals such as Ahmed.

However, even if an amendment were to pass, two senior Pakistani government officials told The Telegraph that the country would not accept Ahmed back because he renounced his Pakistani citizenship “several decades ago”.

They added that he posed a danger to Pakistani children.

If their claim is correct, it places Ahmed in the same situation as two other freed Pakistani ringleaders of the Rochdale grooming gang whom Pakistan has refused to take back.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/02/deport-foreign-born-child-rapists-demand-labour-mps/

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Brunchatstephanies · 03/07/2026 07:50

I would argue this is exactly what special forces are for.

Drop them home.

Imdunfer · 03/07/2026 07:54

I don't agree with kicking him out. He has lived in this country for 53 years, the majority of his life.

If we couldn't persuade him in that time to live by our laws he's our problem, we shouldn't be dumping a serial rapist on another country's women.

faithfultoGeorgeMichael · 03/07/2026 07:55

He said this in court, remember, he stood and shouted these words at the judge:

"We are the supreme race, not these white bastards"
"White people trained those girls to be advanced in sex"
"I curse you, I curse you at night I curse you and your families, your families will get it"

There is a racial element to it and they are wealthy gangsters, they are not worried about "losing face"

He has shown zero remorse and continues to harass the victims and their children.

Ihateboris · 03/07/2026 07:55

Imdunfer · 03/07/2026 07:54

I don't agree with kicking him out. He has lived in this country for 53 years, the majority of his life.

If we couldn't persuade him in that time to live by our laws he's our problem, we shouldn't be dumping a serial rapist on another country's women.

So if we can't keep him banged up for life, where do you suggest he goes?

GarlicBiscuits · 03/07/2026 07:56

If Pakistan won’t take him back, then we stop all foreign aid, remittance, and visas to Pakistan until they agree to.

PineappleSunrise · 03/07/2026 07:57

Can we also kick out all the men who have been drugging and raping their wives, or joining in raping drugged and raped women? Also, any police officers, judges, MPs, or doctors who are convicted of abusing women from positions of trust. Maybe they can all go to a distant and hard to reach island like Pitcairn.

faithfultoGeorgeMichael · 03/07/2026 07:59

@Ihateboris they can keep them locked up if they chose to prosecute them the same way other criminal gangs that rape and prostitute children. But instead there is endless talk of religion and culture and none of criminality and organised crime! This gang leader has been making a lot of ££ whilst inside from his activities. These men are NOT ignorant barefooted peasants from a dusty one mule village in rural Pakistan! That is a racist assumption causing suicidal empathy by the British left

Ihateboris · 03/07/2026 08:00

faithfultoGeorgeMichael · 03/07/2026 07:59

@Ihateboris they can keep them locked up if they chose to prosecute them the same way other criminal gangs that rape and prostitute children. But instead there is endless talk of religion and culture and none of criminality and organised crime! This gang leader has been making a lot of ££ whilst inside from his activities. These men are NOT ignorant barefooted peasants from a dusty one mule village in rural Pakistan! That is a racist assumption causing suicidal empathy by the British left

Agree, 100%

Imdunfer · 03/07/2026 08:00

Ihateboris · 03/07/2026 07:55

So if we can't keep him banged up for life, where do you suggest he goes?

I don't have any suggestion where he or any other rapist at the end of their sentence goes, but after 53 years here, sending him to prey on women in another country where his record will not be so traceable isn't it.

KindPinkEagle · 03/07/2026 08:00

Ihateboris · 03/07/2026 07:50

Apologies...I misunderstood. I thought pubs had been given permission to extend their opening hours. It's too early in the morning and I've not had my coffee yet 🙃

They have been given permission by the government to extend licenced opening hours, but it's still the decision of local councils who approve alcohol licences to go along with it or not.

But no laws have been changed, just extensions to existing licensing hours if the local councils agree. That's always been the case, that an establishment can request extended hours to their existing licence but it usually takes time. On this occasion, the government has asked councils to do so but it's still the councils decision.

It's happened before for special events. The 2002 world cup held in Japan I was in the pub in the UK opening at 6am a couple of times. I was young then :)

Changing laws takes a lot of time.

Ihateboris · 03/07/2026 08:02

KindPinkEagle · 03/07/2026 08:00

They have been given permission by the government to extend licenced opening hours, but it's still the decision of local councils who approve alcohol licences to go along with it or not.

But no laws have been changed, just extensions to existing licensing hours if the local councils agree. That's always been the case, that an establishment can request extended hours to their existing licence but it usually takes time. On this occasion, the government has asked councils to do so but it's still the councils decision.

It's happened before for special events. The 2002 world cup held in Japan I was in the pub in the UK opening at 6am a couple of times. I was young then :)

Changing laws takes a lot of time.

Thank you for the explanation 🙂

GarlicBiscuits · 03/07/2026 08:03

What I don’t understand is why this horrid man wants to stay in the UK anyway? He clearly hates British people and culture?

Ihateboris · 03/07/2026 08:04

Imdunfer · 03/07/2026 08:00

I don't have any suggestion where he or any other rapist at the end of their sentence goes, but after 53 years here, sending him to prey on women in another country where his record will not be so traceable isn't it.

Well maybe the threat of the death sentence would deter him raping in Pakistan.

Imdunfer · 03/07/2026 08:08

Ihateboris · 03/07/2026 08:04

Well maybe the threat of the death sentence would deter him raping in Pakistan.

I doubt it, a rape conviction in Sharia law requires a male witness.

Imdunfer · 03/07/2026 08:08

GarlicBiscuits · 03/07/2026 08:03

What I don’t understand is why this horrid man wants to stay in the UK anyway? He clearly hates British people and culture?

He's lived here since he was 20 years old and he is now 73.

Twiglets1 · 03/07/2026 08:09

lljkk · 03/07/2026 07:22

I bet the young women of Pakistan are delighted at this prospect.

Little girls you mean ... though it sounds like Pakistan are protecting them by not accepting his potential deportation.

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Notmycircusnotmyotter · 03/07/2026 08:09

GarlicBiscuits · 03/07/2026 07:56

If Pakistan won’t take him back, then we stop all foreign aid, remittance, and visas to Pakistan until they agree to.

Exactly this

BIossomtoes · 03/07/2026 08:09

Ihateboris · 03/07/2026 07:50

Apologies...I misunderstood. I thought pubs had been given permission to extend their opening hours. It's too early in the morning and I've not had my coffee yet 🙃

They have, it’s a one off exemption. You’re just derailing the thread.

I don’t understand why Ahmed was released before the end of his sentence either. Perhaps someone with knowledge of the justice system could explain? As I understand it the only place he could be deported to is Pakistan and their government is refusing to accept him. A change in law wouldn’t change that, diplomacy might.

Phoenix1Arisen · 03/07/2026 08:09

Brunchatstephanies · 03/07/2026 07:50

I would argue this is exactly what special forces are for.

Drop them home.

I would argue just 'drop them' preferably with a noose around their necks or for quickness, while they're in the cross-hairs!

Other countries manage to deal with their worst criminals but not us, for some reason. Too civilised as a society unlike these awful so-called men.

Twiglets1 · 03/07/2026 08:10

GarlicBiscuits · 03/07/2026 08:03

What I don’t understand is why this horrid man wants to stay in the UK anyway? He clearly hates British people and culture?

He has nowhere else to go I expect and he will be housed in Britain by the state.

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Ihateboris · 03/07/2026 08:10

Notmycircusnotmyotter · 03/07/2026 08:09

Exactly this

Great idea

KindPinkEagle · 03/07/2026 08:13

Imdunfer · 03/07/2026 08:00

I don't have any suggestion where he or any other rapist at the end of their sentence goes, but after 53 years here, sending him to prey on women in another country where his record will not be so traceable isn't it.

It's not our (Englands) problem.

If your argument is that sex offenders will be a risk in their countries of origin so we should keep them here to keep an eye on them, putting our citizens at risk then you have strange priorities.

You also don't seem to know much about grooming.

Or rape and how woefully under-reported it is. Having a probation officer here that he sees once a week isn't going to stop him committing rapes or make victims feel they can report him if he does, especially if they were e.g family members, or other vulnerable girls/women who think they can't report him because they won't be believed or they just don't want the additional trauma.

Or because their 'boyfriend' who they think loves them said she had to have sex with him or they'd be beaten up, or ostracised by their community, or that the man they're forced to have sex with with tell the 'boyfriends' wife or family that he's in a relationship with a white girl.

That's what this man did for years.

He already got away with hundreds of rapes over years that weren't reported.

He's not our problem. We gave him a home in England, he took full advantage of everything that entails in terms of the benefits living in England and he groomed and raped dozens of girls. For years.

Staying here means the taxpayer continues to fund him, his healthcare, his probation, his benefits and whatever else he is entitled to and shouldn't be.

Twiglets1 · 03/07/2026 08:13

Imdunfer · 03/07/2026 08:00

I don't have any suggestion where he or any other rapist at the end of their sentence goes, but after 53 years here, sending him to prey on women in another country where his record will not be so traceable isn't it.

Agree with this.

Though I do of course understand the impulse to send him to another country, (and I wish that we could) I don't see why Pakistan should be obliged to accept him considering he is a British citizen.

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Shedmistress · 03/07/2026 08:15

Twiglets1 · 03/07/2026 08:13

Agree with this.

Though I do of course understand the impulse to send him to another country, (and I wish that we could) I don't see why Pakistan should be obliged to accept him considering he is a British citizen.

Someone who was GIVEN British Citizenship who then goes on to rape should NOT HAVE BRITISH CITIZENSHIP any more.

I live in France, and fully expected if I broke the laws here to be sent back to the country I came from prior to moving here.

Imdunfer · 03/07/2026 08:20

KindPinkEagle · 03/07/2026 08:13

It's not our (Englands) problem.

If your argument is that sex offenders will be a risk in their countries of origin so we should keep them here to keep an eye on them, putting our citizens at risk then you have strange priorities.

You also don't seem to know much about grooming.

Or rape and how woefully under-reported it is. Having a probation officer here that he sees once a week isn't going to stop him committing rapes or make victims feel they can report him if he does, especially if they were e.g family members, or other vulnerable girls/women who think they can't report him because they won't be believed or they just don't want the additional trauma.

Or because their 'boyfriend' who they think loves them said she had to have sex with him or they'd be beaten up, or ostracised by their community, or that the man they're forced to have sex with with tell the 'boyfriends' wife or family that he's in a relationship with a white girl.

That's what this man did for years.

He already got away with hundreds of rapes over years that weren't reported.

He's not our problem. We gave him a home in England, he took full advantage of everything that entails in terms of the benefits living in England and he groomed and raped dozens of girls. For years.

Staying here means the taxpayer continues to fund him, his healthcare, his probation, his benefits and whatever else he is entitled to and shouldn't be.

So you would just dump him on other women in another country? One where shame would prevent most women from ever admitting they had been raped? One where Islamic law requires 4 independent male eye witnesses unless there is extremely strong circumstantial evidence? One where Clare's Law does not exist?

I couldn't do that to another country's women when we have had 53 years to turn this man into a decent citizen and failed. He is our creation, our society allowed him to turn from an immigrant youth of 20 in 1973 into this 73 year old monster.