Conservatives closing the gap on reform

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Any conservative supporters here ?
Recent reports say the gap on reform is closing
Having watched some clips of kemi in action,I was quite impressed
But I don't know much about the party having never voted conservative,
Have they more of an insight in to current feeling than labour?

That ‘rub their noses in diversity’ didn’t help either. And generally ignoring people hence the Brown downfall.

To add if it’s a politician’s strategy to piss people off don’t be surprised when they kick back in votes.

Oh yes, Cameron just had to give us a referendum didn't he? no actually he didn't.
Should have been in a party manifesto, when it was, in 2015, UKIP got how many MPs??

Yes warms the heart, a Govt giving away 10s of billions with zero checks and then, when Sunak still had a chance to recover some of it, refused too, i guess it would have shown him up for the fool he is.

Yes 40bn for Reeves would have meant no business NI increases, would you be against that?

Nail on the head. People seem to conveniently forget the damage done by Brown and Blair re immigration, "bigotted woman", and not putting limits on Eastern European immigration (when all other top EU economies did!).

Gillian Duffy was a bigoted woman.

Why?

Google what she said.

It’s probably a pragmatic view. In the past I’d vote anyone to tactically try and keep the Tories out. I fear at the next election I’ll be voting Tory to try and keep Reform out.

That’s the awful position I suspect I’ll be in too. The only consolation is that our Tory MP is actually a good one, much as it pains me to admit it.

East Europeans integrate well, SE Asians and Africans, less so, plus they bring in rather large families, unlike EU citizens will never return.

You Tory people get hung up of the former but are all fine with Boris and then Sunak letting in over 2m in just 2 years...unprecedented.

@PodMom @Blossomtoes Unfortunately that’s not going to stop reform, voting for the conservatives because both parties have said they will work together.

I'm not a conservative voter but it's good news that they are. We don't want a reform government although I still strongly believe that this country needs 10 years of a Labour government and a government that is willing to talk about closer ties with Europe.

There are many many conservatives that also believe that Brexit has caused lasting damage and would like at the very least to negotiate a customs union

I have. Which part is the bigoted part?

Nice try. I’m not rising to it. Try elsewhere.

The problem is though, The Tories, will go into coalition with Reform! That worries me, l don’t trust Reform. The conservatives will sadly align with Reform.
No they won't, I am sure of that. We are members of The Conservative Party. There might well be some deals on individual problems.
Both Tory and Reform members remember how Nick Clegg became a nobody in the Coalition where they abandoned the objection to University Fees. Reform might like to try it as a takeover bid. We, Tories will NOT agree to it.

@JoyintheMorning How can you be sure of that?
Kemi, the leader of the Conservatives has already said, she’s not ruling out a coalition with Reform, so they are open to working with reform.
This information is common knowledge.

She may not be the Tory leader by the next election and in any case one nation Tories would never countenance it. The one I’m married to would just not vote.

I'd love Kemi to get a shot at being PM. She stood up for women's rights at a time when everybody else had their heads in the sand, including 'women have penises' Starmer.

I wouldn't, she claims that misogyny in boys doesn't exist, that we need more Police & violence against women is caused by immigrants.

Now putting aside i think thats rubbish, lets look at her party that slashed Police numbers by 20,000 and allowed in 2m migrants (net inside 2 years) she agreed with all of that.

We should also be rather concerned with her views on abortion and climate change.

But if you want a PM who is more rightwing than Geogia Meloni in Italy or Maria le Pen in France, go ahead.

Same ! Something needs to be done and fast …

What would you or anyone else suggest?

We voted for Brexit, which means the legal migrants coming here are from other cultures and Brexit means we cannot deport back to France.

Anyone who says anything different, is misinformed or voted for Brexit! how many boats came here in 2019 vs 2024/25?

Bottom line is Dublin Agreement allowed deportations back to France and France couldn't do a thing about it but now they can.

The DA stuff is not correct. If it was a solution ROI and everyone else would use it to resolve their migration issues.

Like i said, misinformed or voted for Brexit and in denial.

Dublin Agreement is very clear & we have a sea border, so we could legitimately take back migrants to France.

As any migrant interviewed in France says "We want to come to the UK because we will be able to stay"

Even Chris Philp, said exactly the same:

• *Leaked Comments (2020): Philp admitted that leaving the EU removed the ability to send asylum seekers back to other EU nations (under Dublin rules), hindering control over illegal crossings, especially via small boats*

It’s misinformation to talk about the DA deporting enough people to resolve migration issues or act as a deterrent.

Otherwise EU countries would use it to resolve the same crisis.

The numbers sent are publicly available people can check on how low they were.

So Chris Philp, the Tories shadow Home Sec is wrong and you know better?

We wouldn't be sending back to a border state and we have a sea border, not an open Schengen land one.

Dublin acted as a deterrent pre officially leaving the EU in 2020, sure we had lorry crossings but far lower numbers and much easier to stop in France, due to so few ports and UK border in France.

Plus we will now be out of its replacement too, win win for the trafficking gangs.

If someone wants to point out which EU country uses the DA to resolve migration I’m ready to hear it.

Who deports enough people using the DA to do it?

If no one says which country then ask why misinformation has spread on what it does and how limited it is.