Conservatives closing the gap on reform

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Any conservative supporters here ?
Recent reports say the gap on reform is closing
Having watched some clips of kemi in action,I was quite impressed
But I don't know much about the party having never voted conservative,
Have they more of an insight in to current feeling than labour?

Yup, I would go ahead.

Thanks for the patronising message though.

UK isn't in Schengen and has a sea border, so your question is irrelevant and if France refused to accept back we could go to court but the point here is, had we never left, we'd never have had this problem in the first place, we never had anything like this scale pre Brexit.

You clearly supported Brexit but now are jumping through some rather creative mental gymnastics to defend your choice.

How about answering why Chris Philp is wrong and backed up by Mel Stride too.

Maybe Kemi should get rid of these two incompetent ministers?

The truth can hurt but is never patronising.

So no answer on which EU country uses the DA to resolve migration issues. Even knowing that people are repeating misinformation.

It was a very limited system. The numbers are all there.

Well, that's some stupid logic dressed up as wisdom.

Your final sentence in your original message to me was patronising. Your political views are not superior to mine.

The UK has become worse and worse for this - that people allow themselves to sneer at people who vote differently to them. Where has polite discourse gone?

Yes indeed, calling me stupid.....

You read what wasn't there in the original message.

Quite.

Err i just told, other EU countries are not comparable to the UK.

Again, why is Chris Philp and Mel stride wrong? You want your own questions answered (which i did) but wont answer anyone else's.

The UK not applying EU law in the past, is not an argument to say Dublin wouldn't work.

Yes the numbers are all there, pre Brexit, no one crossed by small boat, post brexit, numbers rocketed.

Just returning the favour.

Honestly, it worries me that so many people still default to the same two (now three) parties out of habit rather than conviction. That’s exactly how we end up stuck in the same political cycles.

It’s even worse when people vote for a party because the leader is charismatic, good on camera, or delivers great speeches. And single-issue voting leaves us all exposed. We’re really cooked. We need voters who think beyond habit and hype. The progress of the country deserves more thought than brand loyalty or popularity context.

Also, if everyone keeps saying “we can’t vote for anyone else or x party will win,” then no one ever votes for the party they actually believe in.

Which party are you planning on voting for ..if your happy to say

Yeah apart from mine was inadvertent, yours was deliberately, doubling down on it when i told you it wasn't intended.
then you have the cheek to complain about the lack of polite discourse in debate.

Unfortunately, until we get PR, then thats the way it is.

The next Govt, like this current one will be voted in on a small minority of the electorate, around 25%, if that.

How Labour can preside over this, i don't know.

If you don't vote tactically then you'll end up with reform. So while I agree voting with conviction is the right thing to do the problem with it is it dilutes the vote and you end up with something you really don't want.

Notice that Reform are no longer talking about immigration. It's mainly down to the fact that the problem is actually being dealt with. Now they are focused on the unemployed, the public servants, the NHS.... anything that is funded by the tax payer.

If we lose these services who will actually benefit? It won't be the middle class, certainly won't be the working class. The tax savings to someone under 100k a year will be so small that you will barely notice. In return you'll be spending more to replace the lost services from the private sector.... don't believe me look at Dentistry and Social Care. They reduced the funding model and look at what has happened.

Why aren't we talking about the real problems this country faces.

I’m not totally sure yet. I’m still doing a deep‑dive into each party’s policies, what they’ve actually delivered (even at grassroots level), and who’s really shaping their decisions behind the scenes, not just the visible leaders. I don't think it will be easy to do but for me it’ll come down to whichever party has the most balanced and consistent approach overall, not just a list of promises as usual.

Are you willing to share your findings
I need to do the same
But I'm finding hard to find accurate information,and then I've got o make sense of it

How is the problem of immigration being delt with .

Mrs Thatcher devalues the pound more than Wilson did , simply by letting it float. Down to its real value in relation to other currency.

Here are you all getting your information from ..
Where do we go to find to accurate up to date information on each party and what they are planning and also what Labour are doing
I see lots about what they are not doing,but nothing about what they are doing re immigration mainly

Sure! I’m happy to share when I've gathered enough to make sense of it and once I have something useful. I’m working through things bit by bit, so it’ll take a little time to separate the messy records from the noise.

In the meantime, the things that have helped me get a clearer picture are:

• checking what each party has actually delivered locally where they've had power.

• looking at their voting record rather than just the headline promises.

• paying attention to who funds them and who actually influences their decisions.

• comparing what they’re saying now with what they’ve done before.

It’s still a lot to sift through, but those filters make it a bit easier to separate the PR from the reality. If you use this, you'll probably get a clearer picture too, even if we end up choosing differently.

Have you tried using AI? It can help you gather and organise information.

Never used AI..
Could have a go

@Abhannmor My point was that Harold Wilson tried to fool us into thinking that devaluation would not affect us. He took us for fools.

That was 60 odd years ago, they all dead, surely you cannot cling to things that happened a life time ago to any present political party.

I mean where would that end?

The devaluation went from $2.80 to $2.40 have you seen what the £/$ rate is today?

I would bet that shoukd the Tory & Reform go into a coalition Farage would last about 3 months before throwing his toys out of the pram. His ego would never allow him to govern jointly with anyone else...