Anyone else really concerned about asylum seekers killing people, seemingly to get a life term prison sentence?

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Just to clarify I'm a lifelong labour voter before I get told I'm a deform bot!
Locally to me an assylum seeker from Ethiopia has just been jailed for 25 years for the murder of a man in a bank in broad daylight (he was angry that his application had been turned down).
Earlier this week an afghan national killed 1 person and injured 3 more...
I follow politics, and geo politics (am a history grad) and so I'm aware that the current immigration levels are nothing to what will come when the Sahel region collapses, but is this going to keep happening?
Why can't they be deported? Why should uk tax payers pay?
I have teen dds, and it makes me scared for them.
I know there's no quick fix after years of tory corruption and inaction, but what could be done within a legal framework?
Would rejoining the EU help stop the boats?

You’re all over the place OP

In what way?

No. There is a lot of mental illness amongst migrants but I don’t think they plan to commit murders specifically to get a prison place. It’s desperate people far from home who are not coping and who can’t face going home with nothing when they fail at their new lives.

Most just move on to another European country and try again.

I suppose I'm thinking about it as it happened so locally to me, in a bank I've been in many times

I suppose that's the issue...they get deported but come back.

And no other similar crimes with similar sentences?

Source?

Foreign crims get deported so no uk jail for them.

Welfare migrants are a problem throughout Europe but it hits worse in the Uk cos its small and low housing stock.

Genuine refugees aren’t, and never have been, a problem. It’s keeping rescue services open for refugees, not welfare migrants, that’s difficult.

But no one seems to be trying very hard to fix it.

Very recently an assylum seeker was deported to France and then arrived back on a small boat days later....it's easily found on the main news sites

If the Sahel region collapses why would refugees come here? Are they likely to pay traffickers to get them here on boats?
I am very concerned about the how easily knives are being used to injure and kill. This is leading ever more people to carry knives ‘for protection’ which leads to more knife crime.
I doubt the EU would let us rejoin but we need to get a grip on all these young men coming here as economic migrants with a totally different culture and mindset.

I guess thats my question...
The mh issues amongst migrants are well known, as is their desperation.
It seems that these very vulnerable people are just dropped into communities who do not want them, cannot house them, and are just given a paltry sum of money to subsist on?
Its crazy

I thought foreign criminals served their sentence here and then got deported afterwards. Like the recent example of the chap who was mistakenly released after his sentence instead of being deported.

So one example

ok

The recent Afghan case murdering one and injuring a couple more. the man had already been granted asylum, so there was no incentive there to murder to stay in the country.

I agree

Foreign criminals mainly serve sentences in UK but sometimes a deal is done to get them to home country for remainder of sentence.
Foreign criminals are a massive drain on our finances and resources.

He hadn’t served his sentence. He was only just convicted, but was being deported to serve it at home. He was meant to be sent to a deportation centre but was accidentally released.

The man that was wrongly released did not serve his sentance, though?
I find the whole thing hard to understand.
It wasnt one person's mistake...many people must have failed in their job for him to walk out of that prison..

Is there anything - realistically - that the govt can do ?

The whole thing is a shambles - and that's before you get to people on those, what is it, IPP sentences where they are still in jail 20 years later for nicking some minor item, shame they can't be 'accidentally' released.

I read up on the story a bit but still don't know if it's better the guy was deported - which we are told he wanted to be anyway - in lieu of his sentence, in which case he committed the crime but served no real time, you'd think. Which is better, that someone who commits an offence gets deported? If so, they get off. Or that they do their time, and cost the taxpayers thousands?

Or was it that he was due to be deported to serve the rest of his sentence back 'home' in his country of origin, as someone above suggests. But that he got released when he should have been deported.

Two other things - I am glad he did not die of cold having to sleep out overnight in Finsbury Park in spite of everything he did, and secondly where did he get his change of clothes?

They committed a crime in this country so they serve their jail time in this country. Then they're deported.

I must be local to you OP. What angered me
most about this case is that the defendant was apparently known to the police in 4 other countries for theft, ABH and alcohol issues. And still made it over here. I dont know what the answer is, but it absolutely is not our job to fix the worlds problems. It just isn’t.

Its clear that agencies just do not communicate with each other

The story in the press (BBC) about the guy Kebatu who was deported yesterday really annoyed me. Why advertise that they had to give him £500? Adverts attract customers.