Right-wing American Pied Piper Charlie Kirk assassinated

[MsAmerica]

I see a thread was started in Chat, but it's obviously more appropriate here. I've been in an American forum where someone wondered if it's of international interest.

Right now it's so early that there's no predicting what will develop, whether it will snowball into something catastrophic. Oddly, after a few hours, it's still not known for sure if they caught the shooter, which is strange, as they supposed knew where the shot came from. I'm already running across some odd conspiracy theories.

Conservative activist Charlie Kirk dies after being shot at Utah Valley University event
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/conservative-activist-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-valley-university-event-spokesperson-says

Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah event
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/09/10/charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-valley-university/86080079007/

Charlie Kirk, a prominent conservative activist and Trump ally, dies after shooting at Utah campus event
www.cnn.com/2025/09/10/politics/charlie-kirk-obituary

If the people who passed the second amendment were alive to see what it has become today I have no doubt they’d be horrified.

I didn’t equate it to being pro murder. I said Kirk was hypocritical in his beliefs.

@HereAreYourOptions no, I don’t. Because the people who argue for gun rights are on the side of the authoritarian regime.

Plenty of democrats own guns. And those that don’t should probably be thinking about it. I know I would be worried about being able to defend my family, given the way things seem to be going.

I didn’t equate it to being pro murder. I said Kirk was hypocritical in his beliefs.

You said Kirk was "not anti-murder". Which suggests to me you think he's pro-murder.

Anyway I apologise if I was rude, there's no need. I'm just feeling frustrated this evening as I suspect a lot of people are.

It sounds like he was radicalised outside of the home.
Same as the Southport killer who was radicalised on the internet.

No need for me to fan the flames, the left are doing that all by themselves.
The killer or alleged killer was radicalised outside of the home. As others said he came from a Christian conservative home but even they were concerned by his comments he made to them previously, which was not from their teachings but from indoctrination by the left.

Plenty of Democrats support gun ownership but it still doesn't make the policy right, not when people buy guns and shoot people. I've already said it's not about left and right....this about the right to live without being gunned down....that's what I think is more important.

The political rhetoric also has to be toned down, Trump is out of control as at the moment he's fanning the flames which is something Presidents should avoid.

The shooter was a young man, an obsession with guns. There are plenty of young Americans just the same. The man will likely face the death penalty in Utah which again is yet another tragedy and goes against all Christian beliefs.

At some point Americans need to actually start meeting in the middle and reaching a consensus because it shouldn't be a war, a shouting match of one gang against the other. Sit down and heal and come together and sort your messed up country up. And please don't bring your hate here.... because I don't want any of it.

I despair by how polarised we are becoming... What a sad reflection on humanity where we can't see past a tribe to know whether something is wrong or right... because believing in the tribe is more important than right or wrong....so if it saves a single life then banning firearms has to right

Hate vs dialogue, dialogue vs hate.

You’ve been incredibly rude.

I stand by saying he isn’t anti-murder. He has explicitly said that he thinks some murders are fine, because they’re the price for having the right to bear arms. Which is directly opposed to his belief that life is sacred - you cannot believe that life is sacred when conception occurs, but then say that it is fine to take lives away because it suits your preference on gun control.

Watch the Oxford and Cambridge ones.

It's also grim how Musk just uses any death to bash the left, rather than the guilty. It this case it was the left, but w poor Ms Hortman & her husband, he spread misinformation about the killer being leftist when he was the opposite

Those who dismiss 'both sides' and just damn the left should remember the vile reactions, including from Trump, to Nancy & Paul Pelosi's ordeal.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Paul_Pelosi

Ofc given their 'Obama has gay hookups and Michelle is a man' obsession, some had to suggest Paul Pelosi had been having an affair with the murderer.

How do you feel about this post now, @Newton161 ?

What do you mean by professional hit?

Experts say that the shooting and distance was considered achievable even for an untrained shooter with basic optical sights and some practice.

And they also say the way the gun was assembled showed he wasn't an expert.

Professional eh? Seems it's exactly as the pp said.

And in a simple twist of fate Bella Ciao has been part of the America First / groyper play list. I'm sure you must have seen this online. TR was no anti-fascist.

It's far too late though - there are too many guns out there and if you start banning them, then just means that the people who have them won't be the nice law abiding types who would only use them for defence.

The only thing is to stop the polarisation, division and othering of people with different views, but if anything that's quickly going the wrong way.

I dread to think what's going to happen there in the next few years - I just hope that if one thing comes out of it, it's that it wakes up the rest of the western world before it's too late for us too.

Oh come off it - yes Bella Ciao is used by both sides. The rest of the messages are anti-fascist, and everything else is indicating strong anti-fascist leaning. Try engaging your brain rather than just reading the latest bilge on social media.

I guess what I posted didn't fit your narrative. Doesn't stop it being true.

Is she a Mossad theorist?

Thinking, I thunk the reason people are talking more about Kirk than they did about Hortman or Shapiro or Whitmer or Salas or Hoffman or Pelosi is bc those all happened in private. Kirk's murder was so public & captured in graphic detail.

A right wing poster on another thread asked why nobody knows about the Kavanagh attempted assassination. The same reason imo : it took place in private.

Ofc also this is a UK forum so US news will take less precedence generally.

He has explicitly said that he thinks some murders are fine, because they’re the price for having the right to bear arms. Which is directly opposed to his belief that life is sacred - you cannot believe that life is sacred when conception occurs, but then say that it is fine to take lives away because it suits your preference on gun control.

@IGaveSoManySigns We've already been round this one. You could make the exact same analogy with "some car deaths are fine so we can have the right to drive" which I'm sure you agree with. Why does the utility of a car outweigh the right of a child not to die in a traffic accident?

And his argument wasn't that life is sacred, his argument is that life begins at conception which means abortion is murder. If you believe that a foetus is a human being then this is an entirely rational point of view.

You're arguing against the wrong parts of the argument and in doing so you're actually weakening your point of view. The reason Charlie Kirk was so influential was because he posted videos of himself arguing against people who couldn't debate him and he made his arguments look much stronger than they were.

I don't have a narrative - just following all the facts as they arrive. You've the one that has jumped on the one element that fits your narrative.

As I said. Shocking comment.

It's a fact that Bella Ciao made it onto the America First playlists. It's part of the bigger picture that TR was raised in a conservative, trump supporting, gun loving family. Those are the facts. He wasn't a raving lefty. There's nothing to suggest that other than a number of republicans announcing it yesterday.

Bella Ciao has been a well recognised anti fascist song long before it made it on to the American First play lists. How do you explain this on one of the other casings: Hey fascist! Catch!”.