Would you support mandatory identity cards in the UK?

[Dbank]

Non-mandatory cards have been attempted multiple times and failed to be adopted, do you think now is the time to make them mandatory?

What's nonsense?
I don't need a cute little blue cardboard book with pretty pages - I need a photo ID card.
That's all I want.
I DEFINITELY wouldn't want it to be compulsory.

Also what I don’t get is what’s wrong with wanting to live outside the government and not have ID?
In a free country why shouldn’t people be able to fly under the radar if they wish? To work or claim benefits they need an NI number, to travel or buy/ rent a house they need a passport, to get a car they need a driving license- if someone chooses to exclude themselves from all this why shouldn’t they?

Yes I'm well aware of this but there's a very conservative estimate of over a million people currently in the UK illegally. They certainly don't have this type of documentation. Because UK citizens don't have compulsory ID it's difficult to expect everyone to show ID. A compulsory system would streamline this.

You want mandatory ID cards introduced for all citizens primarily so you can save £50?

Yes. The fuck on trying to sort out a citizenship card for my youngest is a pain in the arse. There's just no link for the referee bit 😡

Can you not read.
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY SHOULD BE COMPULSORY.
Just available for those that want them.

Passport is already used for right to work

My dad was a WW2 Displaced Person. Until the 1960s, he carried an Alien Card and had to report to the local police station once a week. He had no objections to that and certainly wouldn't have objected to a more modern ID card.

Exactly
But will lead to the end of the world apparently 🤔

per wiki
”However, even in those EEA countries that impose a national identity card requirement on their citizens, it is generally not required to carry the identity cards at all times.”

Belgium- you are correct compulsory to have and to carry national ID card

Germany- you are wrong national ID card is not mandatory and no requirement to carry identification all times. However, must have a national ID card or passport.

Italy-national identity card is optional and no requirement to carry any identification at all times.

Spain- national identity card compulsory, but no requirement to carry it at all times.

So one 1 of the 4 you listed require both of what the UK is proposing- mandatory national ID card and carrying it at all times.

The few European countries that do require both are predominately former USSR.

Well yes if you dont want one then fine, but dont expect to access the services it provides

So how do you get a biometric residency card etc?

But not everyone has a passport. I would absolutely be up for compulsory ID cards. As they say, nothing to hide, nothing to fear…..

You already have to show ID to

• get a job
• rent any kind of roof over your head

I think the 1m “estimate” is exaggerated for propaganda purposes.

If you don’t have a passport you can show your UK birth certificate and any form of photo ID.

If you’re not born British, and have no passport you will have a BRP- biometric residence permit which shows your immigration status and whether you have the right to live in the UK, right to work, and usually they show you have no right to claim benefits (the NRP).

I think that’s a naive thing to say.

The requirement might be innocuous to begin with but soon it’ll be used to restrict civil liberties.

im not a criminal and i object. I have nothing to hide and I object.

I have given my data to be enhanced DBS checked and I object.

it’s unnecessary and other documents can be used. My dd used a provisional licence, her birth cert snd NINO doc.

It devastating that your dad was ok with this. He must’ve been deeply traumatised. His example is NOT one to aspire to in this regard. He was a vulnerable person treated like a criminal. The only saving grace is it was 60 years ago.

I haven't a clue. I don't even know what one is.
That's my point of why it's not that simple to "just get a provisional drivers license".

After applying for a visa and the HO approving your application, you are issued a BRP.

It’s for all immigrants. From newly arrived to those with permanent right to live here the rest of their lives.

What services do you expect it to provide access to?
I thought it was supposed to be “just” an ID card, and mandatory so one can’t chose to opt out. That is what the thread is about.

Literally amazing that some bootlicker has already made it into a card that can be used to restrict services to human beings. This is exactly why it’s such a terrible idea.

I’m Belgian - I have an ID card - it’s a non issue. Usually it’s only those who have something to hide don’t want them to be mandatory in the uk.

Belgium - you accept you were incorrect.

Germany - interesting if it is no longer mandatory, it certainly used to be when I was in university, maybe the rules have changed since - it was the case when I studied there back in 2001. Maybe now it's just mandatory to show it if you are required to by law enforcement/government officials.

Italy: https://www.ireland.ie/en/dfa/overseas-travel/advice/italy/#:~:text=Individuals%20in%20Italy%20are%20required,their%20possession%20at%20all%20times. (the Irish Government disagrees with you)

Spain is murkier because it is the law that everyone in the country must possess valid identification documents, that law doesn't explicitly state that you must carry it at all times - but if you don't you can be detained, so most people do. One of those no-brainer things.

Hardly 'none' is it?

Some very naive posters on this thread. Think of the worst political party you would never vote for and ask yourself if you would trust them with this data if they got elected?

My dad fought fascists. It was understood that some undesirables (Nazis and other fascists) had sneaked through the winnowing process and that there was a need to keep checks on people in order to catch them.