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Would you support mandatory identity cards in the UK?

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Dbank · 16/08/2025 16:11

Non-mandatory cards have been attempted multiple times and failed to be adopted, do you think now is the time to make them mandatory?

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NothingLeftToInheritDarlings · 30/08/2025 20:24

I absolutely would use one - we have lived in five other countries with mandatory ID cards and it's just no biggie! Even better when it's on my phone. V useful when I was younger as it allowed me access to the pub when I looked a bit too young!

For people saying that we're being surveilled by government etc: hons, it's WAY too late for that.

You're online, so most of your stuff is visible to many, many organisations, not just the government.

Do you pay tax? Pay NI? Have a pension? Own a car? use the NHS? That's your info out there already.

Do you bank online? Pay bills online? Buy stuff online? That's your info out there already.

Do you travel though airports?

There are over 7.5 million CCTVs in the UK alone, so your movements are already tracked. That's your info out there already.

I could go on....

I literally have nothing to hide. I'm an ordinary person, with an ordinary life. I am happy to express my views, although I generally prefer to do that face-to-face.

Literally, not bothered.

PractisingMyTelekenipsis · 30/08/2025 20:44

OnTheRoof · 30/08/2025 17:04

But since it quite clearly proves who a person is and also their age, that's procedural and could be changed. For less than designing and implementing yet another form of photo ID for the minority of adults who can't get a provisional licence and also for whatever reason don't want to apply for a passport- it's not like we could reasonably expect them to be any cheaper given that they'd likely be biometric.

I doubt it practically can't be used as ID for anything else anyway. A retailer who wanted proof someone is 18 or above would clearly have it there, for example.

Oh I absolutely agree that it could quite easily be changed. I don't really know why it's not an accepted form of ID anyway.

If mine arrives before the next election (it didn't for the previous two) I'll try using it for something else and see what happens!

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 30/08/2025 20:48

I didn’t vote Labour o e ejection as they were proposing ID cards.

I’m aware that Blair’s think tank are pushing for ID cards. I wonder why that is? Who will gain from this?

OnTheRoof · 30/08/2025 20:48

PractisingMyTelekenipsis · 30/08/2025 20:44

Oh I absolutely agree that it could quite easily be changed. I don't really know why it's not an accepted form of ID anyway.

If mine arrives before the next election (it didn't for the previous two) I'll try using it for something else and see what happens!

TBH I suspect it probably is. Like if a retailer wants ID in order to sell knives, alcohol etc then a voter ID card clearly does prove the person is at least 18. They wouldn't have to accept it, but they also wouldn't have to accept a passport if for whatever reason they didn't want to.

If you're young looking enough to get ID'd maybe you could give it a go!

LoremIpsumCici · 04/09/2025 19:59

OnTheRoof · 30/08/2025 20:48

TBH I suspect it probably is. Like if a retailer wants ID in order to sell knives, alcohol etc then a voter ID card clearly does prove the person is at least 18. They wouldn't have to accept it, but they also wouldn't have to accept a passport if for whatever reason they didn't want to.

If you're young looking enough to get ID'd maybe you could give it a go!

Wouldn’t a future voter ID prove age 16+? Or did the government u-turn on that too? I am finding it hard to keep track of which way Labour are flipping or flopping.

TWT199 · 27/09/2025 09:34

I have no problem, I don't loose a thing. It just takes few minutes to register. When people have all the time in the world to scroll non stop, this form filling should not bother them unless they are into dodgy activites and it proves they are scared, all they do is whine whine whine !

LlynTegid · 27/09/2025 09:55

I think there should be a non-digital option say the size of a credit card. I also think it should only be for those without a UK passport. One form of ID should be enough.

Needmorelego · 27/09/2025 09:57

LlynTegid · 27/09/2025 09:55

I think there should be a non-digital option say the size of a credit card. I also think it should only be for those without a UK passport. One form of ID should be enough.

Yes a card.
I just want a card.
I have been trying to find out what the government intends to do if someone doesn't have a smart phone.
They are being vague.
And if this whole thing is to stop "illegals" working - who is going to be providing them with smart phones?

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 10:02

TWT199 · 27/09/2025 09:34

I have no problem, I don't loose a thing. It just takes few minutes to register. When people have all the time in the world to scroll non stop, this form filling should not bother them unless they are into dodgy activites and it proves they are scared, all they do is whine whine whine !

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You’re very keen. Starmer will be happy.

TWT199 · 27/09/2025 10:08

I’m not particularly enthusiastic about it, but I can accept it not a big deal. Starmer seems indifferent, and I am sus , it’s all part of a strategy to divert attention from the pressing issue of boats. But regardless of the cunning political tactics at play, it’s interesting to see that even small, sensible measures are being put into action.

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 27/09/2025 15:04

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/730194

dwordle · 27/09/2025 15:46

I have no problem with them but my question is why are they necessary. I'm struggling to understand the reasoning

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 27/09/2025 15:52

dwordle · 27/09/2025 15:46

I have no problem with them but my question is why are they necessary. I'm struggling to understand the reasoning

They’re not necessary.
they won’t solve the black market economy.

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 16:40

dwordle · 27/09/2025 15:46

I have no problem with them but my question is why are they necessary. I'm struggling to understand the reasoning

There isn’t any. Beyond a panicking politician

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 27/09/2025 22:44

From another thread

Multiverse....the Company chosen to produce the UK's Digital ID app..... was founded by... Euan Blair...... Yup.... the SON of former Labour PM: TONY BLAIR

JenniferBooth · 27/09/2025 23:00

hes saying it will help to stop the boats. So basically some will blame this on the asylum seekers. Not very smart is he.

MsAmerica · 28/09/2025 00:14

Needmorelego · 27/09/2025 09:57

Yes a card.
I just want a card.
I have been trying to find out what the government intends to do if someone doesn't have a smart phone.
They are being vague.
And if this whole thing is to stop "illegals" working - who is going to be providing them with smart phones?

Wait - this requires a smart phone? Isn't that inherently discriminatory against poor people or elderly people?

As it happens, I don't have one. In the U.S. immigrants can only apply for certain things via a smart phone, and I've wondered about that, too.

MsAmerica · 28/09/2025 00:16

dwordle · 27/09/2025 15:46

I have no problem with them but my question is why are they necessary. I'm struggling to understand the reasoning

I find that most new ideas that politicians - or even heads of companies or groups - float aren't usually "necessary." They most often seem to be dumb ideas stemming from lack of imaginations, or underhanded ideas to benefit/profit themselves or others.

Dbank · 29/09/2025 14:53

For any government, the true purpose of a Digital ID is to provide a unique identifier that enables the linking and analysis of various data structures. These include:

  • Tax and pensions
  • Immigration status
  • Criminal record
  • Healthcare
  • Banking
  • Land registry
  • Council tax
  • Border crossing
  • Driving licence
  • Passport

From a standard data modelling perspective, this is an obvious decision that should have been made years ago, as most countries have done.

Currently investigating an individual for any infringement is highly complex, costly and unproductive, whether it's fare evasion, stamp duty evasion or claiming disability benefits.

A unique identifier via a Digital ID has the potential to generate substantial tax revenue and reduce public spending by detecting fraudulent claims and evasion.

For Labour to justify a mandatory Digital ID will reduce illegal working, was clearly an attempt to appear tough in response to Reform.

Many people view it as an infringement of their liberty, for the vague argument that it will deter illegal working.

This will be yet another communications disaster that could have been avoided if the true rationale behind its implementation and the significant savings it could have brought had been explained.

This was probably the last opportunity this Government had to do something other than tax and spend, but it has the potential to be their ‘Poll Tax’ moment.

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bombastix · 30/09/2025 10:29

They will consult won’t they? I don’t think it’s a comms disaster. They seem to have managed it well.

I don’t want one! Last time it was proposed I campaigned against it. interesting is how much more accepting people are of the idea 20 years later.

EasternStandard · 30/09/2025 10:40

bombastix · 30/09/2025 10:29

They will consult won’t they? I don’t think it’s a comms disaster. They seem to have managed it well.

I don’t want one! Last time it was proposed I campaigned against it. interesting is how much more accepting people are of the idea 20 years later.

This made me laugh. As Starmer plummets to the least popular PM since the 70s.

Dbank · 30/09/2025 11:10

bombastix · 30/09/2025 10:29

They will consult won’t they? I don’t think it’s a comms disaster. They seem to have managed it well.

I don’t want one! Last time it was proposed I campaigned against it. interesting is how much more accepting people are of the idea 20 years later.

You only need to ask anyone "what is the rational behind the introduction of Digital IDs, and will it be effective?"

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bombastix · 30/09/2025 12:43

Well I am skeptical it will happen because usually there are strong institutional biases against introducing large databases across government.

What surprised me is the relatively muted reaction to it here and elsewhere. 20 years ago it was uproar. Now, nothing like the same. Have we all got used to have a public facing identity to the point it doesn’t bother us?

@Dbank - that would be the shortest consultation ever! I assume the consultation will bolster the case not diminish it. All in the questions you ask, isn’t it?

Dbank · 30/09/2025 17:39

bombastix · 30/09/2025 12:43

Well I am skeptical it will happen because usually there are strong institutional biases against introducing large databases across government.

What surprised me is the relatively muted reaction to it here and elsewhere. 20 years ago it was uproar. Now, nothing like the same. Have we all got used to have a public facing identity to the point it doesn’t bother us?

@Dbank - that would be the shortest consultation ever! I assume the consultation will bolster the case not diminish it. All in the questions you ask, isn’t it?

Time will tell, I actually think it’s a good idea, but not for the reason they gave.

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LlynTegid · 30/09/2025 18:53

Still a no from me if you have a passport or driving licence as ID.

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