Would you support mandatory identity cards in the UK?

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Non-mandatory cards have been attempted multiple times and failed to be adopted, do you think now is the time to make them mandatory?

Many moons ago when I did have a passport you could choose one with extra pages if you were going to be travelling a lot.
So why can't you have a choice.
Choice one - the little cardboard book with pages for those actually travelling abroad available in the two sizes.
Choice two - credit card size one that can only be used within the UK.
If people are getting passports just to use as ID and not actually going abroad it's not going to create more work - because those people will just opt for the small card version.

Yes.
I have a passport, driving licence, a tesco clubcard and Google knows where I am.
I want my medical data linked up rather than hospital and GP notes etc (why didn't my address match across these when I got sent to A&E my by GP and they couldnt find me because I was still registered at my parents from 15 years ago?!)

I'm already fairly sure if I go to a football match and borrow someone's season ticket they know that I'm not the person holding the ticket.

What website?

a passport is £100, as sympathetic as I am for someone who can’t afford £100 at any point , I can’t allow the state to track me for the sake of allowing that tiny amount of people get ID.

What am I talking about? Try reading a book, or at least doing some googling. An ID card scheme means the government (and whichever private contractors they flog the data to) gets to build a centralised database tracking your movements, biometrics, and personal details.

f you can’t see how being forced to carry and produce documentation just to exist is a loss of freedom, then frankly you’ve already surrendered yours without even realising.

Tesco and Google might know where you are but they can’t tell anyone else.

it’s so dystopian to not care that the state has the ability to track you (and potentially stop you accessing things)

Absolutely. They could be used for access to all public services and to ensure that individuals have the right to live and work in the UK. Would make it less attractive for people to be in the UK illegally.

Because the full scope of what is being suggested
-compulsory national ID with
-compulsory carry and present on demand

Isn’t required in any other European country.

https://www.labourtogether.uk/all-reports/britcard

I resent the wording that I need to 'prove' I belong in this society!

It would be free, I believe an ID card that we'd have to pay for was mooted in the past and of course no-one wants to have to pay for it.

Quote: It could lay the foundations for a fully-functioning digital identity system that would in time deliver huge benefits in terms of great efficiency and better outcomes in public services, as well as being a driver of growth, building on the existing One Login and Gov.UK Wallet.

The DVLA website 🤔
I don't think ID cards should be compulsory. They should just be available as an alternative for those who can't/don't want to pay 100 quid for a passport.

We are taking about compulsory carrying of identity documentation.

I don’t actually know what other European countries do within their card systems, but let’s face it many of them were easily turned to totalitarianism in the recent past so maybe aren’t the best example.

I do know what they do with compulsory ID in China and Russia though.

But we already have biometric ID cards for all immigrants. This is just making all British citizens get an ID card too.

they wouldn’t be free though, would they? So what’s the advantage?

Where I live in the world it’s compulsory to have an ID from the time you’re a young teenager and if a person wants one before then they can have it.

At birth you’re given what must be like the Uk national insurance number (I think) and that follows you through life on all your official documents/official life and it’s your ID that’s your official proof of ID. Not your passport and not your Driving license as not everyone has those things.

The ID even has your blood group on it as well as an abbreviated version of your driving licence though that’s also a seperate card in itself. And off the top of my head I seem to recall your next of kin/person to contact is also on it as well as the name of your local Sheikh

It’s renewed every two years, costs about 10 pounds and is a painless procedure.

Having one is no trouble at all.

This… it’s a slippery slope to loss of privacy and freedom.

You don't believe in the right to privacy? You trust all your personal information will be safe in a leaky centralised government system? You want the government to have instant access and control over all your personal data?

I am politically and philosophically opposed- but pragmatically I think it’s the way forward now.

For people like me who don’t have either

No, there’s never been any situation in Europe where it’s ended badly for citizens requiring to carry and produce ID on demand.

They don't need to be free.
I'd happily pay £50 or something.
Surely most of the money for the passport is for the special paper that's embossed and got special pictures all over it and the cardboard cover that those pages are sewn into.
The important bit is just the back page. That could easily go on a card instead.

been put forward several times on the thread

still as invalid an argument as the first time

Belgium, Germany, Italy, and Spain. To name a few.

this is a nonsense. How selfish to argue that something so many people are fundamentally opposed to is necessary so you can get ID for £50 rather than £100. Absolutely ridiculous.

I'd be a bit annoyed if it would be expected that you produce one on demand. I'd be ok with it if you have a week to produce it at a police station, like with a driving licence.

@Bambamhoohoo this is what the DVLA website says.
So if I want a provisional driving license for ID... I need to provide photo ID??
(screenshot incoming)

Those people without can get one of these instead of having another layer of ID.

Its pointless and unnecessary.

I wonder who benefits from the introduction of this ID? Which government ally will get access to this contract.

it won’t stop illegal employment anyway as employers are already meant to check right to work documents anyway. Why would an ID make this more likely to happen. It won’t.