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This migrant problem is going to let Reform in isn’t it?

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 24/07/2025 12:33

Honestly it’s such a bloody nightmare. Reform are making a total hash of local government from what I’ve read, putting teenagers in charge of whole departments with no relevant experience. What are they going to do if they are elected to run a country!!!! I’m honestly terrified. Labour need to be seen to be actively doing something to quell the far-right momentum that’s gaining traction from ordinary folk. I’m amazed at the average, usually pretty sensible people around me who are now telling me they are going to vote Reform.

there was an interview I saw yesterday where the minister said that thousands of people were being deported regularly. The interviewer asked why there were no videos of this and she said there could be. Well let’s see it! It would absolutely help.

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Papayatropics · 05/08/2025 22:51

Cattenberg · 05/08/2025 22:37

I've read a few news stories lately of people being robbed of their Rolexes.

I certainly don't condone street robbery, but personally, I wouldn't dream of walking around with £10,000 on my wrist, especially in an impoverished area.

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Most of the watch thefts and subsequent attacks have taken place in very affluent areas in London. The most recent one where the attack was fatal was in Knightsbridge and one prior was in St. Paul’s (and tragically that watch was a fake).

Nchangeo · 06/08/2025 17:09

Nchangeo · 24/07/2025 14:22

I am glad you have had no issues. That is what people want.

There is a difference to the general population. They are resident usually. As in the community and the local police usually know who the wronguns are.

These hotels are transitory by nature. I dont think you can compare tbh. You have no idea who you are living next to one day to the next. Whether they are the same risk profile as your neighbours is highly debatable tbh. Incidence of conviction of a sexual crime in the British population is something like 2 out of every 10,000. It can go up to 50 for some nationalities.

Do you want to give a descriptor of your area? As in rural, town, etc. Perhaps you have found a good location and people can learn from this in locating more hotels.

Our male migrant hotel is c. 180 men in a village of 2000. There have been no sexual assaults thankfully. There is however constant unhappiness at the migrants. They have nothing to do except sit in the park. Which is next to the school. You often have 20 or so but can have 50 plus sometimes.

The kids cant use the play park as people dont feel comfortable letting them out alone. They no longer walk to school alone. And reports have been made on occasion about men standing outside school gates watching children. (Thankfully not recently so hoping these men have been moved on).

These men could just be watching the world go by. They have absolutely nothing to do. But I am not going to sit here and say people must ignore any gut feeling or feeling of intimidation, ‘be kind’, etc. If they want to be concerned then thats their feeling. And if they want to protest if one of the children is attacked then I am not going to judge that. I would want the hotel gone too.

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Can I just come on to update that sadly a week or so later. We have now had one of the migrants charged with sexual assault from the male only hotel. Thankfully not on a child and from what I heard thankfully the event was disturbed and it hadn’t got to rape stage.

ThisOldThang · 06/08/2025 22:08

Nchangeo · 06/08/2025 17:09

Can I just come on to update that sadly a week or so later. We have now had one of the migrants charged with sexual assault from the male only hotel. Thankfully not on a child and from what I heard thankfully the event was disturbed and it hadn’t got to rape stage.

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This is just insane. How can the government expect people to just suck up this bullshit?

Another5am · 07/08/2025 07:07

I think it’ll be a reform and conservative coalition. The worst case scenario is Reform because they’ll look at abortion, workers rights, pulling as out of human rights commissions, the local areas will be in worse condition because they won’t bother their arses with the small problems that matter to constituents. I’d hope the tories would push back on a lot of that but you never know. It’s dangerous times we live in!

BurntBroccoli · 07/08/2025 14:12

Another5am · 07/08/2025 07:07

I think it’ll be a reform and conservative coalition. The worst case scenario is Reform because they’ll look at abortion, workers rights, pulling as out of human rights commissions, the local areas will be in worse condition because they won’t bother their arses with the small problems that matter to constituents. I’d hope the tories would push back on a lot of that but you never know. It’s dangerous times we live in!

We have four more years yet!
Hopefully the Labour immigration policies will be operating fully over the years in between plus the NHS will be better funded. The election will be won on these two issues.

Julen7 · 07/08/2025 14:33

BurntBroccoli · 07/08/2025 14:12

We have four more years yet!
Hopefully the Labour immigration policies will be operating fully over the years in between plus the NHS will be better funded. The election will be won on these two issues.

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And the economy!

twistyizzy · 07/08/2025 15:16

Julen7 · 07/08/2025 14:33

And the economy!

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Which certainly isn't improving!

Wonder how "surprised" Reeves is today?

Julen7 · 07/08/2025 15:20

twistyizzy · 07/08/2025 15:16

Which certainly isn't improving!

Wonder how "surprised" Reeves is today?

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Probably “doesn’t recognise the figures”

BurntBroccoli · 07/08/2025 17:44

Julen7 · 07/08/2025 14:33

And the economy!

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The British public didn’t care about the economy when they voted Brexit.

There were 2 things; immigration and the NHS.

EasternStandard · 07/08/2025 18:00

Julen7 · 07/08/2025 14:33

And the economy!

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This comes in the form of jobs and taxes. One lower and the other higher and people will care.

It’s why they ran on the ‘working people’ tax line after all.

Julen7 · 07/08/2025 18:05

BurntBroccoli · 07/08/2025 17:44

The British public didn’t care about the economy when they voted Brexit.

There were 2 things; immigration and the NHS.

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Brexit was 5 years ago. I’m not sure it’s true that people didn’t care about the economy then but they certainly care now.

Springhare76 · 07/08/2025 18:07

Rentitis · 24/07/2025 13:19

The next election is several years away - so that means the polls we are seeing today are largely irrelevant.

I think everybody in the UK is keen to get control over illegal migration. And probably nobody wants a migrant hotel on their street. Both Labour and Conservative - and other similar political parties across Europe - absolutely get this and are now trying seriously to get a grip.

I also think that the vast majority of UK voters, from across the political spectrum, realise there is no easy solution. And almost all are smart enough to realise that stirring up mobs of far right thugs to attack these hotels and their occupants is not going to solve anything.

I hear people moaning about the costs of illegal migrants and the crimes some of these migrants commit. They have a point. But we hear an awful lot less about the costs of policing these nasty demonstrations and the crimes those involved are committing.

We also need to be acknowledging the role of hostile state actors - Russia - in weaponising these refugee flows and stirring the pot via social media.

What about the cost of policing the Gaza protests?? Surely that's way in excess of the costs spent policing the "far right"?

Springhare76 · 07/08/2025 18:14

MotherOfRatios · 24/07/2025 13:27

I work on criminal justice stuff and the drivers of crime are largely due to poverty and deprivation.

We have high housing costs, stagnate wages, high bills, high childcare costs and people just cannot cope anymore. We really need to fix the fundamentals in this country.

Migrants aren't the issue, we actually need more immigration. I remember during Brexit farage blamed Eastern Europeans for the reasons northern towns were suffering it wasn't the Eastern Europeans it was austerity but people lapped it up, he's doing the same with migrants. If they stopped all immigration including small boats we'd still have low wages, high housing costs etc

That's just complete rubbish. Stop blaming high levels of crime on high levels of poverty. That's just crap. Fed up of hearing that as an excuse. And I think it's pretty well established that we don't NEED more immigration. Our hospitals and schools are in dire straits, we have a housing crisis and no jobs for our kids who leave school or uni. The people coming are not contributing to the country and to economy, they taking and that's before you get into discussions around cultural integration. It's fundamentally unfair that those of us who've paid tax for the last 30 or 40 years have to fund this shit show. It's people like you who have ruined this country. I for one hope Reform get in. Nothing can be worse that the morally bankrupt shit show we have doing on now.

Springhare76 · 07/08/2025 18:20

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 24/07/2025 14:01

I reckon Farage may well reach net zero immigration because a lot of the decent British people will leave if he is elected.

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We can only hope that happens. Given then so many of you lefty loonies hate this country and all it stands for so much, I'm surprised you haven't left already.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 07/08/2025 18:24

Springhare76 · 07/08/2025 18:20

We can only hope that happens. Given then so many of you lefty loonies hate this country and all it stands for so much, I'm surprised you haven't left already.

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I don't hate this country at all. As for all it stands for, this is under far more threat from the far right than it is from the left.

But yeah, if Reform gets voted in, I'll leave you all to rot in your self-made cesspit.

Springhare76 · 07/08/2025 18:26

BurntBroccoli · 04/08/2025 08:50

Pulling the UK out of the ECHR? Polls have shown that 70% of people do not want this. We are already a polarised society and this would create even more division.
The following are some potential effects of leaving:

Loss of Access to the European Court of Human Rights
UK citizens would no longer be able to take human rights cases to the Strasbourg Court after exhausting domestic remedies.This removes a key layer of external accountability for the UK government.

Undermining the Human Rights Act (1998)
The Human Rights Act (HRA) incorporates the ECHR into UK law. Leaving the ECHR would almost certainly require repealing or significantly rewriting the HRA. Courts could no longer interpret UK laws in line with ECHR rights, reducing protections.

Impact on Devolved Administrations
The ECHR is embedded in the Good Friday Agreement (Northern Ireland), and in the legal frameworks of Scotland and Wales. Withdrawal could breach the Good Friday Agreement and lead to constitutional tensions, possibly encouraging calls for independence.

Breaching International Agreements
The Good Friday Agreement and some aspects of the UK–EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement assume continued adherence to the ECHR. Leaving may be viewed as a breach of international law or undermine trust in UK treaty commitments.

Impact on EU Relations
The ECHR is not part of the EU, but EU agreements with non-member countries often require compliance with it. Leaving the ECHR could damage UK–EU cooperation on:
• Data sharing
• Criminal justice
• Extradition (e.g. the UK’s replacement for the European Arrest Warrant)

Reputation and Soft Power
The UK has historically played a leading role in promoting human rights. Withdrawal could damage the UK’s global image as a defender of the rule of law and human rights. It could align the UK more closely with countries like Russia or Belarus, which are not part of the ECHR.

Impact on Individuals
Reduced Legal Protections
Rights such as:
•Freedom from torture (Article 3)
•Right to a fair trial (Article 6)
•Right to privacy (Article 8)
•Protection from discrimination (Article 14)
could be weakened or harder to enforce.

Increased Executive Power
With less judicial oversight, government decisions may face fewer legal checks, especially in sensitive areas like:
• Immigration and asylum
• Policing and surveillance
• Prisoner rights

Polarisation and Division
Leaving the ECHR would likely deepen political divides both within Parliament and across the UK public. It may become a focal point in broader debates about sovereignty, Brexit, and judicial overreach.

Devolution and Independence Movements
Leaving could inflame support for Scottish independence and Irish reunification, especially if people feel their rights are being eroded.

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We should 100% leave the ECHR. It was established at a very different time (post war after the Holocaust/millions dying in wars/horrific human right abuses) for a very different purpose and is simply not fit for purpose today. It's insulting how it's been misused against the backdrop of what it was created for.

Springhare76 · 07/08/2025 18:27

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 07/08/2025 18:24

I don't hate this country at all. As for all it stands for, this is under far more threat from the far right than it is from the left.

But yeah, if Reform gets voted in, I'll leave you all to rot in your self-made cesspit.

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Goody. Hopefully they'll be many more with you!

Springhare76 · 07/08/2025 18:34

beguilingeyes · 05/08/2025 10:18

I didn't say Chelsea or Knightsbridge, not my areas. I live in East London. Have for nearly 40 years. Never had a problem. I have a nice watch. I walk late at night, get the night tube. I never drive in London and have never felt unsafe because there are always people around.
Farage is a dick. Lives in Belgium, probably never been to Clacton. Wants us to be afraid of our home.

I live in a similar area and have never been mugged, My two teenagers and a lot of their friends have been mugged several times, including at knife point. The problem is definitely worse in London and in certain other cities to stop gaslighting.

Southwestten · 07/08/2025 18:37

MotherOfRatios · 24/07/2025 13:27
I work on criminal justice stuff and the drivers of crime are largely due to poverty and deprivation

There is poverty and deprivation in Korea & Japan so why is there so little mugging, shop-lifting and phone snatching in those countries?

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 07/08/2025 18:45

Southwestten · 07/08/2025 18:37

MotherOfRatios · 24/07/2025 13:27
I work on criminal justice stuff and the drivers of crime are largely due to poverty and deprivation

There is poverty and deprivation in Korea & Japan so why is there so little mugging, shop-lifting and phone snatching in those countries?

I can't comment on Korea but there is less inequality in Japan than in many countries. It has been increasing, though, and so has the crime rate.

suburburban · 07/08/2025 19:07

Springhare76 · 07/08/2025 18:14

That's just complete rubbish. Stop blaming high levels of crime on high levels of poverty. That's just crap. Fed up of hearing that as an excuse. And I think it's pretty well established that we don't NEED more immigration. Our hospitals and schools are in dire straits, we have a housing crisis and no jobs for our kids who leave school or uni. The people coming are not contributing to the country and to economy, they taking and that's before you get into discussions around cultural integration. It's fundamentally unfair that those of us who've paid tax for the last 30 or 40 years have to fund this shit show. It's people like you who have ruined this country. I for one hope Reform get in. Nothing can be worse that the morally bankrupt shit show we have doing on now.

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Yes it’s ridiculous and I don’t understand why people want to impoverish the UK.

Tony Blair started all this nonsense

justasking111 · 07/08/2025 19:22

My GP does on call at the hospital he's got to know the students. Ten of them. Their contracts were ending so they sought positions elsewhere for jobs starting in August. Only two have found posts so eight are now out of work. It's tragic when they've worked so hard for so many years. The incoming ten will face the same thing.

Alexandra2001 · 07/08/2025 19:32

suburburban · 07/08/2025 19:07

Yes it’s ridiculous and I don’t understand why people want to impoverish the UK.

Tony Blair started all this nonsense

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Uh?
Migration under Blair, around 200k to 240k per year, benefited the UK, we had skilled people doing the jobs we didn't want to do, many EU returned home as their economies improved.

We had real terms per capita growth too.

Bojo and Sunak took that to 1m per year, allowing in dependents.

These pair started the impoverishment of the UK

The two are simply not comparable.

ThisOldThang · 07/08/2025 19:59

Alexandra2001 · 07/08/2025 19:32

Uh?
Migration under Blair, around 200k to 240k per year, benefited the UK, we had skilled people doing the jobs we didn't want to do, many EU returned home as their economies improved.

We had real terms per capita growth too.

Bojo and Sunak took that to 1m per year, allowing in dependents.

These pair started the impoverishment of the UK

The two are simply not comparable.

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What tosh. Blair started this whole shitshow.

suburburban · 07/08/2025 20:10

Alexandra2001 · 07/08/2025 19:32

Uh?
Migration under Blair, around 200k to 240k per year, benefited the UK, we had skilled people doing the jobs we didn't want to do, many EU returned home as their economies improved.

We had real terms per capita growth too.

Bojo and Sunak took that to 1m per year, allowing in dependents.

These pair started the impoverishment of the UK

The two are simply not comparable.

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Yes some of them were skilled and did contribute and it was good they could go back but there was also a lot of fiddling going on as well and it was a gateway for other travellers to come into the Uk.

someone selling the big issue for example (not a homeless person which was what it was set up for) is not bringing vital skills or adding any value

the UK was so much better before 2000