This migrant problem is going to let Reform in isn’t it?

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Honestly it’s such a bloody nightmare. Reform are making a total hash of local government from what I’ve read, putting teenagers in charge of whole departments with no relevant experience. What are they going to do if they are elected to run a country!!!! I’m honestly terrified. Labour need to be seen to be actively doing something to quell the far-right momentum that’s gaining traction from ordinary folk. I’m amazed at the average, usually pretty sensible people around me who are now telling me they are going to vote Reform.

there was an interview I saw yesterday where the minister said that thousands of people were being deported regularly. The interviewer asked why there were no videos of this and she said there could be. Well let’s see it! It would absolutely help.

People threatening to go in 4 years because Reform might get in. People are leaving in their droves NOW because of Labour. If they got in again you'd see a mass exodus of Brits.

I’m more interested in which country isn’t experiencing migration pressures and tensions than the personal take.

A fair few EU countries have similar strain to here I’d say Greece, Italy, France, ROI and those countries that don’t already have hardline measures - eg Aus, Poland or Denmark.

It's unlikely that we would end up in the EU.

Interesting. I can’t think where has no migration issues but also no hardline policies.

Australia?

Climate change is bringing different problems there though.

I agree. A lot of Europe is becoming more right wing and strict with their immigration/refugee laws.
Australia, Canada etc have clamped down too.
Countries like Argentina have had large amounts of illegal immigration but now has a president who is right wing with various, dubious beliefs.
Iran has one of the largest amounts of refugees, a huge amount of which are now being deported even with their kids who were born in Iran.

The process of deporting the first Channel migrants under a new deal with France will begin within days, Sir Keir Starmer has announced.

The Prime Minister disclosed that Britain had ratified a treaty with France which means those entering the UK on a small boat can now be detained on arrival and returned across the Channel.

It is believed that around 50 migrants will be returned to France each week, with the numbers expected to climb by the end of the year.
Migrants will be detained for deportation in the coming days before being deported.

Let’s see how this plays out - my bet is that the actual numbers returned proves to be the square root of fuck all.

It will but as a country it’s got the toughest border policies so anyone lamenting Reform and moving there are just going to the version that has done what some here would love to do. Incidentally I don’t mind their policies I might go there if we don’t sort it out.

@bumble6yes either countries are attractive with soft policies and have the same tensions, hardline ones and ok on tensions or are not places people will choose.

Here we go again..... Deported to where? many countries either don't accept back migrants or we have no transport links with.

Many countries.... such as?

ID cards only work if there is enforcement.

I don't think ID cards are a good solution: they're too easy to get around and fake (this is the kind of arms race the criminals always win - because the gain to them is higher than the cost to the authorities to combat the fraud) and imposes too much social cost on the population.

I think offshore processing is probably necessary, along with immigration policies like Denmarks around not allowing dependents, only temporary granting of asylum, and a far higher bar to get permanent residency.

Much tighter legal immigration too - in particular having different rights to bring in dependents/pass on nationality depending on whether you were born British or acquired British nationality: in order to prevent cascade immigration. (that's very normal, including many EU countries - really weird that we don't).

Yes this. I agree on your ID card view and what would be needed.

The people who are going to leave because of migrants will themselves become migrants? Will Australia (for example) let them in?

There used to be an age cut off.

Well, they'll have to follow Australia's immigration rules- which Australia sets - and apply for visas, get jobs, prove themselves to be contributors and good citizens, and eventually get PLR and then maybe after many decades citizenship.

No one is suggesting they go to Australia in a dinghy and join the black economy as a taxi driver under a fake id, or pretend to need asylum when actually they just want a different life.

Are you usually so unable to appreciate nuance, or is it only on political subjects which the wokies scream insults about to try to shut down reasonable political debate?

I’m happy here still but in answer to your last question yes. Just watching the how resistant people are to policies they have makes me glad it is an option though.

Are you for real? 😅
Nobody can distinguish between real and fake gems (which begs the question: what’s the point of buying real ones anyway? but I digress…) Potential thieves probably think you are wearing fakes and that’s why they don’t care. They want watches, mobile phones and credit cards nowadays.
Btw don’t tell me you are wearing all those fancy diamonds and don’t have money for a taxi at nighttime somewhere in Chelsea or Knightsbridge. Because I don’t believe you are walking home alone covered in diamonds somewhere in Bermondsey at 2am after lager and kebab 😆

I didn't say Chelsea or Knightsbridge, not my areas. I live in East London. Have for nearly 40 years. Never had a problem. I have a nice watch. I walk late at night, get the night tube. I never drive in London and have never felt unsafe because there are always people around.
Farage is a dick. Lives in Belgium, probably never been to Clacton. Wants us to be afraid of our home.

Think you have to live in the right parts of London to be robbed of your Rolex, diamonds

I was going to say watches are harder to steal than phones but that recent crime was a Rolex, poor person

. I never drive in London and have never felt unsafe because there are always people around.

Good luck getting any of these people to come to your aid if you’re mugged. Not that I blame them - most people would think twice about taking on muggers armed with knives.

@beguilingeyes Farage does not live in Belgium. Curious as to where in “East London” you are ? It’s a big place, we lived in Tower Hamlets for over 20 years and I absolutely did not walk about at night on my own nor let my daughters. We had enough problems with being harassed and followed in daylight hours.

I live in Walthamstow. I work in Whitechapel. I've never been harassed or followed. Go out from work quite a lot, fond of Taayabs.
It's just the implication that London is uniquely full of crime (it's all those forriners innit) and you couldn't possibly be mugged in Bristol, or Sheffield or Salisbury or Chichester come to that. There are scum everywhere.

@beguilingeyes Whitechapel’s crime rate is three times the national average. You are braver than me if you walk around there as a lone woman at night.

I've read a few news stories lately of people being robbed of their Rolexes.

I certainly don't condone street robbery, but personally, I wouldn't dream of walking around with £10,000 on my wrist, especially in an impoverished area.

Someone I know her husband paid 26k for her Rolex years ago. It's beautiful though.

I've never taken good jewellery on holiday, leaving it behind is sensible.