This migrant problem is going to let Reform in isn’t it?

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Honestly it’s such a bloody nightmare. Reform are making a total hash of local government from what I’ve read, putting teenagers in charge of whole departments with no relevant experience. What are they going to do if they are elected to run a country!!!! I’m honestly terrified. Labour need to be seen to be actively doing something to quell the far-right momentum that’s gaining traction from ordinary folk. I’m amazed at the average, usually pretty sensible people around me who are now telling me they are going to vote Reform.

there was an interview I saw yesterday where the minister said that thousands of people were being deported regularly. The interviewer asked why there were no videos of this and she said there could be. Well let’s see it! It would absolutely help.

Wishful thinking I’m afraid. It’ll get Labour into more deep shit if they don’t face up to the facts. AR tried to say something the other day. They should listen to her more. But she’s a woman without a penis, innit.

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The next election is several years away - so that means the polls we are seeing today are largely irrelevant.

I think everybody in the UK is keen to get control over illegal migration. And probably nobody wants a migrant hotel on their street. Both Labour and Conservative - and other similar political parties across Europe - absolutely get this and are now trying seriously to get a grip.

I also think that the vast majority of UK voters, from across the political spectrum, realise there is no easy solution. And almost all are smart enough to realise that stirring up mobs of far right thugs to attack these hotels and their occupants is not going to solve anything.

I hear people moaning about the costs of illegal migrants and the crimes some of these migrants commit. They have a point. But we hear an awful lot less about the costs of policing these nasty demonstrations and the crimes those involved are committing.

We also need to be acknowledging the role of hostile state actors - Russia - in weaponising these refugee flows and stirring the pot via social media.

Farage and Tice are playing with fire at the moment re: their support for the Epping protests. It could easily blow up in their faces, especially given the neo-Nazi involvement.

You obviously don’t live next to a male migrant hotel. There’s nothing wrong with the Epping protests. If you had one of these next to your school and they were loitering, staring and following your kids home you would be concerned. If one of them was raped you would absolutely lose your shit too.

Male migrant hotels should not be in town centres. Should not be next to schools. And should have tight curfews. These are unvetted men from countries where they do not have the same culture framework or law as us.

@PropertyD well I disagree on that - I personally would be more than ok with Scandinavian style levels of tax and standards and subsidies where it matters- but that’s not what we are going to get because the right wing press would be all over it and to be frank the appetite and mentality in the UK isn’t about a sustainable society - it’s as Thatcher said all about the individual - so whilst I support labours underlying principles ( I vote Lib Dem by the way as a disclosure) the problem they have is you can end up with the worst of all worlds, tighter controls on some things , a flatter economy but still shit standards and services because the country has allowed things to get so out of control over last 15 years- be it housing, or land being used for uni private blocks rather than good social housing, allowing people to take the piss on benefits - I’m anti maintenance not being counted too towards benefits which I know won’t be popular but knowing someone who is claiming full housing benefit, plus cash benefits and is getting close on £1000 a month maintenance and not doing more than 8 hours work a week without much pressure really pisses me off that she’s better off than a single mum nurse or teacher working full time etc -

I don’t think it’s Labour that would open the floodgates to people leaving even if they moan, but I certainly think Farage would for those that have other options.

Starmer is truly out of his depth. Reeves crying because it all got too much for her and she realised that she was doing a shit job and everyone knows. Streeting with that smug, shiny look saying he would sort out the Dr's strike if it had been him. It now IS him! He didnt negotiate at all last time which means they come back for more and more.

There are ways, get the trainee Drs to commit to staying within the NHS for xx years, remove some of their student debt. They have more applications then they know what to do with. Sort out the shit show that is the NHS. Look at some nominal charges for using the services. Of course there will be howls of outrage from people who claim some dont have a penny to spend but we HAVE to do something about this rotten government dept that couldnt fight their way out of a paper bag.

In what way will it be bad? Why should people start getting their ducks in a row? I am genuinely asking and not being goady.

There is a lot wrong with the protests.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/epping-hotel-protests-migrants-neo-nazi-b2795022.html

Farage wants to make America light. He wants to ban abortion. He wants to stoke culture division and race wars. He wants to go down in the history books and he doesn’t care what for.

Whats wrong with the protests?

Whats wrong with the protests?

Read the article.

The facts are where the key to all this lies - record UK immigration - 1.3m (900k net) droppingn a bit but not enough. The 1st 30 year sof my life we had about zero - a few some year and more leaving than coming the next. The 2nd (the last 30 years) we have had vastly increased numbers up to the recent record highs and yet not enough housing, NHS etc etc for everyone so it is just a sheer numbers issue. That is just lawful immigration. There are about 1m illegals in the UK and Labour has removed about 19,000 so the person saying there are removals - yes there are but we need to remove about 1m people not 19,000.

"Farage is Johnson mark 2, in being a privileged twit out to feather his own nest first and foremost"
So just like multi millionaire Starmer then? With his tax free pension....now remind me who brought in that law? Oh yeah Starmer brought in the law to ensure his own pension was tax free yet is now talking about taxing pensioners.........

Good!

Plus pledges to end use of hotels and smash the gangs are coming back to bite.

Automatically labelling and dismissing anyone and everyone who objects to the use of their local hotels by migrants as XRW or neo-facist is a sure fire way of getting a Reform Government next time around

That they are organised by far right hate groups?

Thats not what I saw on YouTube. They are well documented. Hours and hours of live feed. These are local people. Whatever their initial political inclination. One of their kids was raped.

I work on criminal justice stuff and the drivers of crime are largely due to poverty and deprivation.

We have high housing costs, stagnate wages, high bills, high childcare costs and people just cannot cope anymore. We really need to fix the fundamentals in this country.

Migrants aren't the issue, we actually need more immigration. I remember during Brexit farage blamed Eastern Europeans for the reasons northern towns were suffering it wasn't the Eastern Europeans it was austerity but people lapped it up, he's doing the same with migrants. If they stopped all immigration including small boats we'd still have low wages, high housing costs etc

What labour need to do is stop waging a war of hate against ordinary British people who work hard and have high aspirations for themselves, their kids and the future stability of this country. That might help.

Pierce the boats - if young men are swimming out to the boat then why cant the French police do this. Or why cant the UK provide some people to man the beaches.

The digusting scenes I saw a few weeks ago with young men pushing young children out of the way to get onto a boat. Shame on them. They then just disappear into the black economy. We have a number of car washes and nail bars. None have closed down, there is no appetite to do it so its just left.

Blame Starmer he refuses to deal with the problem.

I have to disagree that Labour have no interest in sorting out migration, illegal
in particular. They know people will vote with their feet if they don't make inroads into a problem whose complexities we are only just beginning to understand. The first duty of a government is to keep its citizens safe. At the moment, many people don't feel safe, most with good reason. There is evidence that Labour are introducing as many different approaches as possible to staunch illegal migration. Europe-wide, though, it is the right who have made difference. But Labour still have four years to go.

We also have a problem of not being able to openly talk about things like British culture, immigration - legal or illegal, religion, without being branded racists.
It was telling that there was a mum with a sign saying 'I'm not far right, I'm just worried about my kids'.

If the tables were turned and there was a hotel full of British men somewhere very culturally different, do you think the locals would be cool with them carrying on and trying to kiss the local school girls?

I'm pretty worried about this. I know a few people who openly support reform who would never have wanted to be associated with parties like BNP or UKIP for fear of outing themselves as racist.

It feels like the far right is gaining a scary amount of support atm.