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Zelensky - Trump meeting.…just horrible. BBC news live.

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JanieJS · 28/02/2025 18:08

Scary stuff.

I don't know what to say.

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Fran2023 · 28/02/2025 22:02

ThankyouBakedP0tato · 28/02/2025 22:00

Laugh it up.

It's a theory, and it makes sense to end the mess and save face for everyone involved (even if Zelensky had to play McFly for 10 minutes)

I for one, hope it's the real story.

You can sneer and smirk and rant but you have absolutely no idea what the real story is.

I guess we'll just have to see how it all plays out.

Thank you for your response.

Hope for the best.

Prepare for the worst.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 28/02/2025 22:02

AliceWhoisAlice · 28/02/2025 21:58

so would people be happy then if Zelensky did cause WW3 ? yes ill admit i want the best for Zelensky but the realpolitik of the situation is the world cannot have WW3

How exactly could Zelensky cause WW3? I'm not aware of him having threatened or invaded any of his neighbouring countries?

Surely you're not pointing the finger at him because he won't roll over and play dead in response to Russia's aggression?

If we end up in WW3, Putin will be the one that started it and Trump will bear a big share of the blame. Not the man who tried to fight for the freedom of his own country.

Shame on you for blaming the victim.

Bogginsthe3rd · 28/02/2025 22:02

Zelensky messed up here. He needed to show defence and gratefulness and thank Trump and the American people . In exchange for his 30 mins of extreme hat dothing, Trump could have felt like the big man and Ukraine could get a deal that protects them. Trump is, as we know, a very stable genius but he will not change or accept any questioning and to correct or argue is futile if you have no power. Macron and Starmer treated Trump the way he liked and as a result, had positive negotiations.

RubyTuesday48 · 28/02/2025 22:02

LifeExperience Zelensky cannot afford to be conciliatory - he is fighting a war. Starmer can be because he wants trading agreements for Britain.

Notonthestairs · 28/02/2025 22:02

Putin invaded another country.

Ukraine didn't.

Do we not respect sovereignty now?

bakedFishandChips · 28/02/2025 22:02

AliceWhoisAlice · 28/02/2025 21:58

so would people be happy then if Zelensky did cause WW3 ? yes ill admit i want the best for Zelensky but the realpolitik of the situation is the world cannot have WW3

who are we to predict what will happen?

cardibach · 28/02/2025 22:03

so would people be happy then if Zelensky did cause WW3 ?
@AliceWhoisAlice on what way is Zelenskyy causing WW3? He's not the aggressor.

Notonthestairs · 28/02/2025 22:03

Bogginsthe3rd · 28/02/2025 22:02

Zelensky messed up here. He needed to show defence and gratefulness and thank Trump and the American people . In exchange for his 30 mins of extreme hat dothing, Trump could have felt like the big man and Ukraine could get a deal that protects them. Trump is, as we know, a very stable genius but he will not change or accept any questioning and to correct or argue is futile if you have no power. Macron and Starmer treated Trump the way he liked and as a result, had positive negotiations.

He's thanked the US every which way. Did he not think them in congress?

SL2924 · 28/02/2025 22:04

Absolutely appalling. Vance is a thug.

cardibach · 28/02/2025 22:04

Bogginsthe3rd · 28/02/2025 22:02

Zelensky messed up here. He needed to show defence and gratefulness and thank Trump and the American people . In exchange for his 30 mins of extreme hat dothing, Trump could have felt like the big man and Ukraine could get a deal that protects them. Trump is, as we know, a very stable genius but he will not change or accept any questioning and to correct or argue is futile if you have no power. Macron and Starmer treated Trump the way he liked and as a result, had positive negotiations.

Did you watch? Trump just went for him with no reason. Zelenskyy wasn't disrespectful. He's thanked everyone for their support on many occasions. Don't be an apologist for Trump and Vance (and by extension, Putin).

swimsong · 28/02/2025 22:04

Hihellogoodbye · 28/02/2025 21:59

Finally someone with a bit of common sense - thought mumsnet has lost it there for second.
is everyone watching only BBC propaganda?

Zelensky is a fraud- he is now a millionaire with properties in Florida ….guess where he has the money from? Honestly Zelenskyy should now resign … he’s playing with fire and he doesn’t want peace.

i think you guys need to switch off BBC as you are being indoctrinated

Or you could not lie and talk crap.

Wishyouwerehere50 · 28/02/2025 22:04

Lyannaa · 28/02/2025 21:57

I wonder why Trump was not equally scornful of Musk turning up in the Oval Office looking like he was going to a coffee shop?

And bringing his spawn along to behave in a manner I'm sure was not becoming to Trump 😆.

I'm embarrassed to ask - is it not the case that Russia invaded Ukraine? So when Trump blames the Ukraine, he is actually blaming the victim, eg the Ukraine for being subject to invasion for no viable reason by Russia. 🤯

Notonthestairs · 28/02/2025 22:05

cardibach · 28/02/2025 22:03

so would people be happy then if Zelensky did cause WW3 ?
@AliceWhoisAlice on what way is Zelenskyy causing WW3? He's not the aggressor.

Exactly. Putin's mess.

BBQHulaHoops · 28/02/2025 22:05

Has anyone actually read the transcript is absolute garbled gargade from Trump and Vance - baffling crap. And then at the end trump says: "All right, I think we’ve seen enough. What do you think? Great television. I will say that."

WTAF?!

Dymaxion · 28/02/2025 22:05

Zelensky screwed the pooch today. The whole 40 minutes of the Oval presser is revealing. The discussions were going well until Z demanded American boots on the ground. That is NEVER going to happen, and was not on the agenda to be discussed, especially in front of the world's press. That's when Vance fired back telling Z he should show more gratitude and chaos ensued.

@LifeExperience do you have a link that shows the bit where Zelensky asks for American service personnel to be deployed into Ukraine ?

RubyTuesday48 · 28/02/2025 22:06

swimsong · 28/02/2025 22:04

Or you could not lie and talk crap.

HiHelloGodbye Could you provide proof of your accusations please? Otherwise you are just a Russian troll.

birdcake · 28/02/2025 22:06

We appear to have some GB News influenced propagandists / Maga cult recruits / Russian bots on here. Shame.

Petuniaspetal · 28/02/2025 22:06

Hihellogoodbye · 28/02/2025 21:59

Finally someone with a bit of common sense - thought mumsnet has lost it there for second.
is everyone watching only BBC propaganda?

Zelensky is a fraud- he is now a millionaire with properties in Florida ….guess where he has the money from? Honestly Zelenskyy should now resign … he’s playing with fire and he doesn’t want peace.

i think you guys need to switch off BBC as you are being indoctrinated

Please show us the evidence of Zelensskys wealth and his properties. This smacks of Russian bot lies.
Also I haven't.watched any bbc in about 6 months.

NotTerfNorCis · 28/02/2025 22:07

Bogginsthe3rd · 28/02/2025 22:02

Zelensky messed up here. He needed to show defence and gratefulness and thank Trump and the American people . In exchange for his 30 mins of extreme hat dothing, Trump could have felt like the big man and Ukraine could get a deal that protects them. Trump is, as we know, a very stable genius but he will not change or accept any questioning and to correct or argue is futile if you have no power. Macron and Starmer treated Trump the way he liked and as a result, had positive negotiations.

Short of crawling on the floor and kissing boots, I don't know what more Zelenskyy could have done to 'show deference and gratefulness'. He has dignity, he represents a country at war. Trump and Vance had no dignity, and have shamed America in front of the world.

birdcake · 28/02/2025 22:07

I think the posters are trying to distract from trumps outrageous behaviour by projecting elsewhere and whataboutery.

birdcake · 28/02/2025 22:08

Zelensky is a true statesman in the face of cretinous, bullying behaviour from Vance and Trump.

NotTerfNorCis · 28/02/2025 22:08

All right, I think we’ve seen enough. What do you think? Great television. I will say that.

What a see-you-next-Tuesday. It's all a show to Trump. That's why he was nice to Starmer. He wants to parade with British royalty.

BIossomtoes · 28/02/2025 22:09

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 28/02/2025 21:57

Yesterday, I desperately wanted to believe that.

Today, I think we've seen that our attempts to manipulate and influence didn't work at all.

Not for want of trying, but it just didn't work.

We now need to change our strategy.

We should only change our strategy if we can come up with a better one. And I don’t think there is one.

RubyTuesday48 · 28/02/2025 22:09

NotTerfNorCis · 28/02/2025 22:07

Short of crawling on the floor and kissing boots, I don't know what more Zelenskyy could have done to 'show deference and gratefulness'. He has dignity, he represents a country at war. Trump and Vance had no dignity, and have shamed America in front of the world.

But the Americans seem to have lapped it up 😡

howrudeforme · 28/02/2025 22:09

Utterly frightening.

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