Zelensky - Trump meeting.…just horrible. BBC news live.

[JanieJS]

Scary stuff.

I don't know what to say.

If history is any guide the Europeans will complain a lot, issue sternly worded letters, make a token effort, if that, to increase military spending, find out how many hundreds of billions it will cost to retool European forces to operate without the Americans, realize that western Europeans, especially, are not so willing to give up their cozy social welfare states and send their children to fight and die in trenches in Ukraine, and quietly let Trump and Putin end it.

Yep, he had his script ready. It's so blatant.

He certainly could.

Exactly! Putin chose to invade. He's choosing to push forward. It's all him.

Would the MAGAs on this thread take the same stance if it was America being invaded?

Why would he though? Signal such weakness?

News outlets are having a field day, most people are shocked.

and quietly let Trump and Putin end it.

@LifeExperience and what does that scenario look like for Ukraine ?

Oh he absolutely won’t. He could though.

He had no choice unless you want to pay for the tariffs on top of existing higher cost of living.

Chilling to even think about it.

Not giving in.

On a broader level - it feels like every day, Trump and/or Musk do something really shocking. Why, and to what end? Just in the last two or three days: the ridiculous Trump Gaza video, threatened 25% tariffs on the EU which was 'formed to screw the US', mass sackings of government workers, forcing the Romanian government to release Andrew Tate, now the public humiliation of Zelenskyy and ripping up of a potential peace deal. Is there any plan to this?

It would be the American paying the tarriffs not us.

Trump certainly does - he was one of them! He made up an injury.

So, declaring war on Russia?

I saw it - Commander Waterford and his bad eyeliner job really want to emasculate Zelensky, all in service of Putin.

This is what Trump supporters love though so shrugs.

Absolutely if Canada decided to roll into the US and stake a claim on some of the northern states would America just accept that? Of course not!!

That's already been answered! There is a long way to go before declaring war.

Hmmm I'm not so sure who is actually the bully, dictator, narcissist here

I think we do know, and I think whataboutery is quite a dangerous path to go down. There is no equivalence here.

Having listened to a really long podcast recently about WW2 I can understand what’s going on. I don’t understand the public nature of it, that’s feels grotesque, but Russia really cannot be defeated and won’t back down. The only choice unfortunately is to either die fighting or accept the loss. It’s extremely unpalatable and makes a fucking dangerous precedent but there probably is no other option.

How on earth is that a guide from history when both World Wars were started by Europeans?

It was disgusting and infuriating, a repugnant group of school yard bullies grown into adult bullies. And the nerve of one of the entourage yes-men criticizing President Zelensky for not wearing a suit, absolutely vile. I despise the lot of them!!

Genius.

I did not say that. Don't put words where they weren't and claim they are mine.

And the nearly 35000 people who have signed a petition requesting just that !