Zelensky - Trump meeting.…just horrible. BBC news live.

[JanieJS]

Scary stuff.

I don't know what to say.

I'm furious that millions of Americans voted for this orange faced (enter expletives of your own choice) to bully the leader of a country who has been bravely fighting off an invasion against a much more powerful adversary for the past three years, just because the price of 'gas' was a bit high.

A disgraceful country being led by disgraceful men. No other way of putting it at this point.

What’s your solution?

I always thought Boris Johnson was at his best on the world stage. It was reported last year that (former PM) Johnson's discussion with Trump was important in helping to release the £60 billion military aid package for Ukraine, which had been blocked by Republicans. There's a good chance that Johnson would have been a better go-between for Ukraine than Starmer or Macron.

It’s been like watching The Apprentice again, only it’s world leaders being wheeled out in front of Trump to suck up to him and get spoken to like they’re idiots.

It was really shocking. The BBC reporter looked really shaken. I wonder if it was all a big set up to enable Trump to justify to the American public - at least for the gullible component of it - withdrawing help to Ukraine and aligning itself with Putin.

Even though it’s theft and bullying part of me wanted Zelensky to agree to the deal just to try and avoid an escalation. I feel guilty for saying that though. Easy for us to say. As Zelensky said, we have a sea.

I bet they have watched it back numerous times cackling like the thick bullies that they are, slapping each other on the back and gloating about how macho they think they are. "hey JD, I sure told that idiot where to go", "sure did Mr President, and we didn't even have to host the creep at dinner",

The choices are:

1. appeasement- give Putin some land
2. continue to arm Ukraine and watch them slowly lose a war
3. provide military support and start a war with Russia.

Yes this is it, rubbernecking an assault. I feel like I need to call the police and report what I saw.

He wasn't foolish for not wanting to, for hoping it could be avoided, but he misjudged it completely in thinking that it could be avoided. Hitler, like Putin was never going to stop. Putin has said what he wants, repeatedly, and has moved towards what he wants and has not backed down so far. He won't be appeased. Nor will whoever comes after him.

Not just because living under an oppressive autocratic regime is shit, but because appeasing Putin has been tried before and hasn’t worked.

I wonder if it was all a big set up to enable Trump to justify to the American public - at least for the gullible component of it - withdrawing help to Ukraine and aligning itself with Putin.

That really is the only explanation I can think of.

Maybe Trump has a secret deal with Putin to extract money and minerals from Ukraine once Putin has won the war.

The Orange coward showing his true colours in public.

What's yours?

Have you one that doesn't include Trump and Vance behaving like bad mannered pricks and carving up another country which isn't theirs to begin with.

You've said that you think the first option is best. So what happens when Putin decides to go after Poland?

If allowed which country will be next?

So you and @LuluBlakey1 want to go to war with Russia?

And his followers love it.

There is a fourth option, which is that America could talk tough with Russia. Trump has shown he's very good at making threats. Unfortunately he's only good at doing it to soft targets, so far.

Putin kills his "friends" and Russia is a basketcase country.

Being paid to troll Mumsnet counts as a good job.

We should feel sorry for them, but ultimately, they are serving a tyranny that Putin wants to extend to other countries.

He absolutely does with enough arse kissing. Remember when Vance compared him to hitler and now he’s VP?

I thought the whole thing was hideous but Zelensky shouldn’t have lost his temper. I’m not saying he wasn’t well within his rights to - he absolutely was - but he would’ve got further with some grovelling and sycophancy even if he had to go throw up straight after. For everyone pissing and moaning about Starmer’s approach, he played it incredibly well (& probably found it just as distasteful) but the only way to exert ANY influence over gorillas like Trump is by making them feel all special. Gross but true.

I live in Ireland if trump gets to the UK, I will be demonstrating against his visit. I'm sure i wont be alone.

You mean declare war?

I am Orthodox ( not Russian ) and do not believe this will happen