Zelensky - Trump meeting.…just horrible. BBC news live.

[JanieJS]

Scary stuff.

I don't know what to say.

Trump & Vance are a pair of ignorant Bastards that have destroyed Americas credibility around the world.

Hard agree

This is what she is saying and is plain stupid. Young lives, old lives, women's lives, baby's lives, people in hospitals lives are all the same when you are invaded. Rather defend yourself with every life you can defend yourself

Mostly US made. It’s been propping up the economy in some states quite nicely. They will miss it if the US stops sending weapons.

They are al sending weapons that are close to expiry and would need disposing of and replacing anyway so it’s debate able how much of that money would have just been written off if they weren’t sending weapons to Ukraine.

Wow! Lindsay Graham has been one of the biggest Ukraine war promoters in the Senate. Lindsay never met a war he didn't want to fund, until today.

By that daft logic I could equally say that you should volunteer to live under an oppressive autocratic regime.

There is a reason people feel so strongly about not giving into Putin.

Technology is definitely a religion. I hadn’t considered Musk as a false prophet but it’s an interesting thought.
I always (inwardly) thought people who talked about the end times and linking it to politics were just scare mongering.

But it’s definitely interesting times….

“You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.”

This is my comfort in this whole mess that is the world stage.

I watched this with my mouth hanging open in utter disbelief. No words for the vile ignorance of Trump and his pathetic side kick Vance. The world becomes more dangerous with every single day this lunatic is in power. On a side note, what on earth does it do for children to see that the most powerful man in the world is a lying lound mouthed bully?

@TENSsion unless you're Ukrainian (which you might be) then your opinion doesn't mean much either, does it in regards to Ukraines response? All of the Ukrainians I have come across want to fight for their country and why shouldn't they?

I live in the UK, personally and yes I'd be willing to fight for it if it came to it. I wouldn't be running away, saying 'oh they have nuclear weapons let them do what they want'. You'd be naive to assume that a dictator would let you live after they took over.

A hypothetical scenario in any case since we also have nuclear capability and MAD stops anything happening really.

Massive respect to Trump and Vance for talking straight to that clown and finally putting it as it is.
From a Czech person.
Nobody dared or thought it "morally fitting" to put Mr. Zelensky in place, for three years. Until now.
👍

I think it would be too inlfamatory and escalate things - but I hate that, that is the case.

We are still a democracy with a parliamentary system and we can lobby them to voice objections, which I suspect many will do but realistically it's unlikely to actually happen.

I think Gov still have to play the part and model the good behaviour, we have entertained all sorts of ghastly people over the years, but there have been protests and robust criticism each time - we can change the narrative around the visit.

OTH (and I am no fan of the royal family) - I feel a bit like an actual king telling him to piss off properly might be the only thing that Trump would listen to and care about, being a sycophantic twat. Does King Charles trump (pun intended) Russian dictator?

I asked my class yesterday if they knew who was in charge of our country.
A few answered Donald Trump. Not one mentioned our prime minister.

As I explained that he wasn’t, and that it was Keir Starmer, I actually thought how false that was. Sadly, they aren’t wrong!

Chamberlain has been used as an insult.
The implication being that he was foolish for NOT wanting to join the war in Europe.

That can only mean that this poster thinks we SHOULD be going to war with Russia. Offering our military support and start conscription proceedings. Just what Chamberlain tried to avoid.

Trump has the resources to fight Russia , unlike Zelenski. Ukraine unfortunately will be history if it wasn’t for US support . Zelenski is stuck unfortunately, it’s either minerals the border and peace or fight Putin alone

Trump should have stuck to being an extra in Home Alone.....

The way they spoke to him was no way to speak to anyone in a professional/political meeting.

Regardless of who they were speaking to.

It’s effing terrifying.

History has a habit of repeating itself everyone liked Hitler at the beginning…

Absolutely not.

That was increadibly uncomfortable to watch. Trump & Vance are bullies.
Looked like it was planned by the two of them.

We are providing financial assistance.
If we stop providing financial assistance, I will stop worrying about our involvement and let Ukraine get on with their own politics without concern.

Not sure what you think is going to happen. Ukraine falls then who next. Do you really think Russia will stop there.

Or will you be happy for Trump and Putin to carve up the Western world between them

Give Putin something? So you advocate giving into bullies then.

I love it that smug middle class mumsnetters sit in their cosy homes, eager to sacrifice foreign young men for their futile ideological wars.

Do you also love that Putin sits safe in his underground bunkers whilst sacrificing his young men to illegally invade a country

What is your solution?

With a bit of nostalgia added to the pie!
It's easier to dig up old plans than to create new ones.

Don't forget Putin is / was a highly intelligent KGB agent... speaks several languages and definitely knows how to manipulate Trump people.