Zelensky - Trump meeting.…just horrible. BBC news live.

[JanieJS]

Scary stuff.

I don't know what to say.

@GreekDogRescue as you are saying you are a Ukrainian, what do you think should happen? Also, do you think Putin is likely to adhere to any agreement he makes?

They also couldn't care less about the land - it's an infertile, wasteland. It's worthless to them.

This makes no sense..,where do they live? work?

Norway, Finland, Estonia and Latvia share a border with Russia. The Ukraine is not the 'gateway to Europe'. Being conquered by Russia makes Europe no more or less under threat by invasion from Russia.

And we are in the 21st Century - there are planes, drones, long range missiles a plenty. Russia doesn't exactly need to put boots on to start a war with Europe if it wants to. It can just press a few buttons.

And also, this TV show thing appeared incredibly staged and given both Zelensky and Trump are TV personalities, no idea whether to take this at face value or not.

and blindly support Zelenskyy when the Ukrainians do not.

No Ukrainians at all support Zelenskyy?

I'm scared now. Poor Ukraine :(

Vance is the attack dog.....

Why do you think Russia would be bothered about influencing some mums in the UK?

So I assume that you @Witchlite and@Donttellempike will be the first to encourage your sons, brother, husbands etc. to sign up and fight for “what is right”

The US has sunk $119.7 billion (£94.3.billion) into Ukraine.

Did the US buy weapons from other countries for Ukraine ? or did they send weapons made in the US ? Because if the weapons were made in the US, then in a roundabout way, that money has been spent supporting US businesses, workers and their families ? All of whom also pay taxes to the US Government. I imagine its quite complicated to work out the net figure when you take into account all of that ?
Also if US businesses then provide weapons etc to NATO countries who are bolstering their own military, well it might actually work out to be a benefit cost wise to the US ?

Does anyone think writing to MPs to ask for invitation for Trump to visit UK be kicked into the long gras be worth it? Feel pretty helpless but would like to show support for Ukraine/Zelenskyy

Your ignorance is too enormous to bother with.

I've wondered about a petition

I don’t think I’d say sitting safely .
I think it’s time to step up and protect everyone’s rights.
We the west have been tip toeing around people for too long.
Do you think I don’t understand the risk to going against America and standing for Ukraine .

War Does not fill me with anything but dread.
Zelenskyy is doing his country proud.

Let’s all back down to , two bullies trump and Putin.
The goal posts will keep changing . Neither can be trusted .

And yet they are and they try to.

In some situations we might have to.

Not to mention all the minerals under the ground trump wants

The "think of your poor sons" rhetoric.

Totally ignoring the fact that in the unlikely event this happens, it would be girls too. Strange, considering the history of the USSR/Red Army.

This was awful to watch, and I've only seen a small amount.
Trump and Vance are horrible bullies, nothing more.
Unfortunately, horrible bullies who couldn't do unspeakable harm.

Poor Zelensky. I think he was set up from the start.

. . . but that's exactly what the UK, and basically all Western countries, have done for thousands of years.

It's why you are in a warm home tap tap tapping on your laptop or phone right now.

That piece of IT is full of minerals from less well off countries, badgered into deals by the west.

So any smaller country invaded by its more powerful neighbours should just go "oh, rightio, we can't win this so rather than fight we will just quickly surrender" ?

No sane parent wants their young people conscripted or fighting, of course not. It must be terrifying. Having three young adult sons the thought horrifies me. But so does the thought of Russia wondering in to my home country and declaring it is now part of Russia, and my government just rolling over.

Why?
You have scoffed at my wish for appeasement and attempted to use “Chamberlain” as an insult.
If we “stand up to Putin” someone’s going to have to go off and fight.
Surely all you who condemn an appeasement should be the first to volunteer?

And also, this TV show thing appeared incredibly staged and given both Zelensky and Trump are TV personalities, no idea whether to take this at face value or not.

But what is there to gain from it? Trump just ruined the pending deal with Ukraine. What is he expecting to come next? Is this just a sell-out to Russia? How could Zelenskyy possibly benefit from what just happened?

A few? Putin has 5,580 functional nuclear warheads as we speak.

Do you think our government should enforce conscription straight away then and send every British 25 year old over to Ukraine to help stop the 'Russian invasion of Europe and prevent WW3' then?

It sounds like they should judging how scared everyone on here is of that being exactly what is going to happen.