Zelensky - Trump meeting.…just horrible. BBC news live.

[JanieJS]

Scary stuff.

I don't know what to say.

So continue fighting a war than can never be won. What about in 5 years’ time when this is still ongoing? Then what?

Trump hasn’t pulled out of NATO though.

Hes not wanting to send money and aid to Ukraine.

Other countries being invaded is a bit different.

So Zelensky condemned the Ukrainians to a death sentence? For what purpose?

Just catching up with the news. Trump is an unhinged shitgibbon.

If NATO had stuck by its promise to Ukraine when they wanted nuclear weapons this wouldn’t be happening now.

And the Suit comment was disgusting

‘You are disrespecting America and this office by not wearing a suit’

Get a F*ing grip

Regardless of your stance on the Ukraine war.
This behaviour was despicable for a world leader.

But they didn’t and it has, so now what?

traitor to your own country

It was Putin’s choice to start this war so it can’t be ended unless he and his ambitions are stopped.

No war ever ends easily. Which is why so many of us were angry about the illegal war in Iraq.

No. This meeting was NEVER about security

Trump had said that NUMEROUS times

This meeting was about signing a contract on Minerals. Not on Security

This is a public forum for discussing ideas.

if you find debate unbearable I suggest this is not the place for you.

What is really unbearable is that so many women take such a cavalier approach to the sacrifice of so many young lives for a war that will never be ‘won’.

And how do you suggest Putin is stopped?

He's an utter cunt.

I don’t appreciate being called a bot because I don’t agree with others. Zelensky wanted US money, he didn’t appreciate who he was dealing with.

Sorry I don't think I worded my post very well at all (and probably should have taken more time given the nature).

I didn't mean the whole of Ukraine, obviously. I meant the area identified in potential peace talks.

I could go into detail but honestly it's not my job to do so. It would take hours.

I just find it incredibly sad and depressing that so many people jump on Trump when brokering a peace deal and blindly support Zelenskyy when the Ukrainians do not. WTF.

I'm leaving the thread now but wanted to put some balance into this thread.

Yes balance and yet because you don’t agree with others you are called a bot or thick.

Ah so someone sitting safely in the UK arrogantly dismisses the opinion of some mere ‘foreigner’ discussing the affairs of her own country.

Agreed. We’re not allowed to call it out because apparently that’s troll-hunting. But it’s the same pattern all over again. It takes the Putin/Trump supporters a bit of time to get to us, then suddenly there’s loads of them. All with similar scripts.

I certainly don’t suggest that appeasing him would work, which is what you seem to think should happen.

When you appease dictators, they become emboldened to carry on.

I just find it incredibly sad and depressing that so many people jump on Trump when brokering a peace deal and blindly support Zelenskyy when the Ukrainians do not.

Pretty sure that given a choice between Zelenskyy, the elected leader, and Putin, the violent invader, most Ukranians would support Zelenskyy.

Ok but is the minerals deal not a back door NATO deal and why can Zelensky not see that? So Ukraine signs a deal with US and then if Putin interferes with it, then US has a legitimate issue with Russia?

You can and you should. Those who forget the lessons of history are condemned to repeat them.

Disgusting behaviour from Trump and Vance, they could have had a private meeting behind closed doors, why publicly bully and disrespect another world leader in that way.
Trump was doing quite ok on his own, Vance didn’t need to add his thuggery to the bullying.