Zelensky - Trump meeting.…just horrible. BBC news live.

[JanieJS]

Scary stuff.

I don't know what to say.

Oh shut up !

We need Hugh Grant

I think Trump supporters will support him and Vance today- they don't want the US supporting a war in Europe that seem never ending and are costing them billions. They want the US to go it alone- they think they can. They don't see bigger pictures. They are not sophisticated thinkers.

So is the solution to fight the war forever with the country of Ukraine as the battleground? UK and US just keep sending billions upon billions of pounds worth of arms?

I don't know what the solution is but I'm sure arms manufacturers are getting excessively rich on the back of this.

@BBQHulaHoops unfortunately it seemsaround 50% of his support in the US comes from immature knuckledraggers who would indeed say 'yeh you go Trump' and there's lots of them , particularly men -

Even the daily mail readers have turned on T&V

Why?

Russia apparently breached the Budapest memorandum in 2014 with its annexation of Ukraine's Crimea
As a response, the US, UK and France provided Ukraine with financial and military assistance and imposed economic sanctions on Russia, while ruling out "any direct interventions to avoid a direct confrontation with Russia"

Another key point was that U.S. State Department lawyers made a distinction between "security guarantee" and "security assurance", referring to the security guarantees that were desired by Ukraine in exchange for non-proliferation.

From Russia's point of view they deny breaking the Treaty as Ukraine had formed a new State and they (Russia) hadn't signed any agreement with it.
In February 2016, the Russian foreign minister claimed, "Russia never violated Budapest memorandum. It contained only one obligation, not to attack Ukraine with nukes"

So this shows a very complex situation.

Who TF cares?? We're talking about OUR NEIGHBOURS who've been invaded, bombed and murdered UNPROVOKED by the fricking Russians!! I don't see us supporting Ukraine against Russia any different to how we supported Poland against Germany!

Think of all the Hollywood films where POTUS is shown as super dignified, patriotic, civilised etc. well they can't portray him like that anymore 😆

Really. That's what you got from that exchange?

Two schoolyard bullies without a clue haranguing a leader of another country and Zelensky is the one who needs to be ashamed?

Awful bullying. Why the Americans haven't understood that Trump is pretty much a Russian asset is beyond me.

@ThejoyofNC have you been on the sherry?!

I hear they're putting on planes to florida for their superfans

It made for really uncomfortable viewing but in a way I'm glad we've seen it. Maybe Ukraine will get more support and the US will be ignored more. <probably wishful thinking>

I had to turn it off, I felt sick for Zelensky.

Trump and Vance are bullies and the world is allowing it.

These are dark days for international politics and political stability.

Up till now the agreement has been honoured by the US supplying weapons for the defence of the Ukraine. Dirty Donald and the couch-shagger are tearing the agreement up and rolling over for Putin to tickle their bellies.

Trump and Vance disgusting disgusting disgusting. Zelensky has more courage and backbone than either of those 2 spivs.

America has a short memory, Europe came to their defence after 9/11, conveniently forgotten.

I can't actually believe what I'm reading. Zelensky ought to be ashamed of himself

Fuck me, who watches this & comes to the above conclusion. we are doomed!

Where have you been? FGS. Russia lined up tanks along the border claiming it was just a military exercise. Putin agreed to China's request to not invade Ukraine until the Olympics in Beijing were finished.
THEN PUTIN INVADED UKRAINE.

Ukraine is in a fight for it's life. Russia occupies about 20pc now. Russia has bombed Ukraine's hospitals. And schools. Do you know how many children have been killed?! Ukraine has fought fairly all along.

But, go on pondering and musing about how angry you'd be if your son was conscripted.

Yes, I thought that was pretty cringeworthy.

America has a short memory, Europe came to their defence after 9/11, conveniently forgotten.

Don't they owe NATO money?

A 'question' from a US journalist. The whole thing was a set up. Poor Zelensky.

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Why should he? In my opinion Trump (who keeps boasting what a great negotiator he is) and Vance should be ashamed by bullying someone they really wanted a deal with. What kind of way is that to negotiate??

Well quite, that's why they baited him. But it's massively backfired. Sympathy and support for Zelensky and Ukraine will be massive after this.

US was only giving 42% of Ukraine's support, if everyone puts a bit more in and there are some extra contributions from countries that haven't got involved yet, it's easily surpassed.

Some minor NATO country needs to put boots in Ukraine and trigger article 5 now.