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Are we surprised to hear that the Orange Tyrant may be a Russian agent?

125 replies

BaMamma · 22/02/2025 01:55

Ex-Soviet spy makes sensational KGB claim about Trump

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MsAmerica · 22/02/2025 23:50

Sorchamarie · 22/02/2025 01:59

Not in the slightest bit surprised. In fact, I think Putin (and his awful oligarchs) totally own Trump. I read that he was bailed out by Russian oligarch money many years ago (perhaps in the 80's?) after one of the many times he lost all his money by being such a horrific businessman (conman more like it). Nothing else explains why he's so pro Russian (except that he is very partial to awful dictators like the Hungarian guy and the super weird man in North Korea).

Right. When American banks caught on to Trump's riskiness, to put it mildly, they refused to deal with him, obliging him to turn to Russia.

GameofPhones · 23/02/2025 00:12

It would explain the bizarre behaviour of the SCROTUS.

Circularmadness · 23/02/2025 10:33

NewYorkBuilder · 22/02/2025 09:23

The ignorance on this thread isn’t mind-boggling at all, it’s entirely predictable.

It’s 2025 now, the old lies and insults aren’t going to work, time to do some critical thinking of your own and not rely on legacy media.

It’s not an insult or a lie though. It’s the truth.Trump is parroting the Kremlin line. You need to educate yourself and stop swallowing Russian propaganda. Trump just lies and lies - Ukraine started the war, Zelenskyy’s approval rating being 4%- I could go on and on. Here is some non legacy media for you https://bylinetimes.com/2025/02/21/donald-trump-was-recruited-by-the-kgb-under-codename-krasnov-claims-former-soviet-spy-chief/

Hoppinggreen · 23/02/2025 10:36

hamstersarse · 22/02/2025 07:22

you guys are so dumb

you’ll believe anything

Not as dumb as the people who voted for trump

BobnLen · 23/02/2025 12:43

Like 'The Americans' then

TheCastleDoesNotReply · 25/02/2025 00:28

Comrade Krasnov.

There's not really any other logical explanation for his behaviour.

Jacquettes · 25/02/2025 00:32

FictionalCharacter · 22/02/2025 03:25

The only thing that surprises me is that people seem to have forgotten that this was known the first time round, right at the beginning of his first presidency.

I remember this too. At the beginning of Trump’s first term conjecture over whether the Russians owned Putin was pretty common. People were talking about the possibility of Russia bailing out Trump financially years before, and the ‘pee tapes.’

TheCastleDoesNotReply · 25/02/2025 00:36

The financial entanglements alone are staggering. His businesses have long relied on dubious cash flows, and his son Don Jr. even admitted in 2008 that Russian money played a significant role in their assets. When you factor in Trump’s mysteriously generous Deutsche Bank loans—at a time when no Western bank would touch him—alarm bells start ringing. And it just so happens that Deutsche Bank was fined for laundering billions in Russian money. Coincidence? Perhaps. Or perhaps Russia has been bankrolling him in ways we don’t fully understand.

The infamous Steele dossier may not have been fully verified, but it wasn’t plucked from thin air. Maybe there’s a tape, maybe there isn’t. But let’s not pretend Trump hasn’t left himself open to that kind of scenario.

And then his behaviour—because even if you ignore the financials, even if you dismiss the kompromat theories, it is self-evident that he bends over backwards to defend Putin at every opportunity: his secret, interpreter-free meetings with the Russian leader; his constant attacks on NATO; his attempts to block military aid to Ukraine—makes no sense from a rational American perspective in terms of strategic security policy.

The silence from US politicians outside his immediate circle/ ex-presidents is deafening.

Jacquettes · 25/02/2025 01:00

TheCastleDoesNotReply · 25/02/2025 00:36

The financial entanglements alone are staggering. His businesses have long relied on dubious cash flows, and his son Don Jr. even admitted in 2008 that Russian money played a significant role in their assets. When you factor in Trump’s mysteriously generous Deutsche Bank loans—at a time when no Western bank would touch him—alarm bells start ringing. And it just so happens that Deutsche Bank was fined for laundering billions in Russian money. Coincidence? Perhaps. Or perhaps Russia has been bankrolling him in ways we don’t fully understand.

The infamous Steele dossier may not have been fully verified, but it wasn’t plucked from thin air. Maybe there’s a tape, maybe there isn’t. But let’s not pretend Trump hasn’t left himself open to that kind of scenario.

And then his behaviour—because even if you ignore the financials, even if you dismiss the kompromat theories, it is self-evident that he bends over backwards to defend Putin at every opportunity: his secret, interpreter-free meetings with the Russian leader; his constant attacks on NATO; his attempts to block military aid to Ukraine—makes no sense from a rational American perspective in terms of strategic security policy.

The silence from US politicians outside his immediate circle/ ex-presidents is deafening.

All of this.

However in regard to the silence I’m beginning to wonder. James Carville, old southern Democrat, who was an advisor in Clinton’s presidency, thinks the Trump government will be finished in 4-6 weeks time. His opinion is that all the Democrats have to do is say nothing. That Trump’s presidency is already collapsing.

I think his opinion seems pretty extreme - but it is interesting.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-administration-collapse-james-carville-2035164

TooBigForMyBoots · 25/02/2025 01:08

If by agent you mean "puppet", then no.

I agree with the Democrats sitting back and doing nothing. They're best off letting him get on with fucking it all up himself.

Leira2025 · 25/02/2025 01:37

Whatever would make anyone think the 45th and 47th POTUS is in the pay of the Russians? I mean it's not like the two countries have previously been at loggerheads for decades or anything... nothing to see here, move along, move along...

DPotter · 25/02/2025 01:43

I doubt he is a recruited spy - too much of a liability I would have thought. No one knows what's coming out of the man's mouth next. So not a fully fledged spy, just a volunteer, keen but untrained (or in this case untrainable)

Breezeblock · 25/02/2025 01:49

hamstersarse · 22/02/2025 07:22

you guys are so dumb

you’ll believe anything

THE IRONY 😂

Breezeblock · 25/02/2025 01:50

I think the surprise would be if he wasn’t. I like his code name, I think the English equivalent would be Crass-nob.

Happyinarcon · 25/02/2025 01:58

I’ve mentioned this on another thread, but nobody seems to remember Obamas Uranium One scandal. Other presidents have cozied up to Putin and no one cared. Either Obama was a Russian agent, or the media has lied to us and Russia isn’t a threat.

Jacquettes · 25/02/2025 02:06

hamstersarse · 22/02/2025 07:22

you guys are so dumb

you’ll believe anything

Too much covfefe for you I think.

Jacquettes · 25/02/2025 02:07

Breezeblock · 25/02/2025 01:50

I think the surprise would be if he wasn’t. I like his code name, I think the English equivalent would be Crass-nob.

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👍😂😂

Breezeblock · 25/02/2025 02:09

Covfefe! I almost have nostalgia for the days of covfefe and Four Seasons Total Landscaping. When we thought nobody could be imbecilic enough to vote him in twice.

Breezeblock · 25/02/2025 02:09

Happyinarcon · 25/02/2025 01:58

I’ve mentioned this on another thread, but nobody seems to remember Obamas Uranium One scandal. Other presidents have cozied up to Putin and no one cared. Either Obama was a Russian agent, or the media has lied to us and Russia isn’t a threat.

But wait, did you ever hear about Hillary’s emails?!

TheCastleDoesNotReply · 25/02/2025 02:14

DPotter · 25/02/2025 01:43

I doubt he is a recruited spy - too much of a liability I would have thought. No one knows what's coming out of the man's mouth next. So not a fully fledged spy, just a volunteer, keen but untrained (or in this case untrainable)

The KGB say they recruited him in the 1980s. Nobody knew he would become President back then. In fact, the mere suggestion of this would have been laughable because the USA hadn't lost its marbles to anywhere near this extent at that point.

Breezeblock · 25/02/2025 02:49

TheCastleDoesNotReply · 25/02/2025 02:14

The KGB say they recruited him in the 1980s. Nobody knew he would become President back then. In fact, the mere suggestion of this would have been laughable because the USA hadn't lost its marbles to anywhere near this extent at that point.

It says they were aiming to recruit rich American businessmen.

TheCastleDoesNotReply · 25/02/2025 08:29

Yes, that was well-known, in Europe as well.

Msmoonpie · 25/02/2025 08:41

I don’t believe he has the intelligence or the discretion.

They could be exploiting/ using him without his knowledge. He may has passed them information.

But an actual agent ? Not a chance. This has cheered me right up 😆

Namsara · 25/02/2025 08:45

MarsScarlet · 22/02/2025 05:46

No - this has been rumoured for some years. I have thought that he's too boastful and careless with his speech while not possessing the right kind of wit for such a role. Perhaps the Russians see a use for someone with no ethics and little intelligence to hold him back.

He's too stupid and vain to be a spy for anyone.

He would have boasted about it before, being the biggliest most brainy spy in the world.

If anything, the Russians have played him, he thinks they are his friends