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1dayatatime · 05/01/2025 00:14

@username299

"Brexit was very emotionally driven; people arguing till they were blue in the face. Mostly nonsense but they were very passionate about it."

You seem to think that voting for Brexit was purely a right wing thing, whereas 68% of the 2017 election Labour voters had voted Leave in the 2016 referendum.

Here is the breakdown of the Brexit vote which does indeed show Conservative support n 2016 voted to Leave, 61% to 39%. Labour voters in 2016 (65%) and Liberal Democrats (68%) largely voted for Remain but significant minorities went for Leave.

A large number of Conservative voters in 2016 had switched their support to Labour by 2017 as the Tories lost more and more popular support witnessed by the reduced majority of Theresa May.

But a far bigger differentiator than political leaning was education with 70% of voters whose educational attainment is only GCSE or lower voted to Leave, while 68% of voters with a university degree voted to Remain in the EU.

So does "far right" mean you're concerned about the impacts of mass immigration?

username299 · 05/01/2025 00:29

1dayatatime · 05/01/2025 00:14

@username299

"Brexit was very emotionally driven; people arguing till they were blue in the face. Mostly nonsense but they were very passionate about it."

You seem to think that voting for Brexit was purely a right wing thing, whereas 68% of the 2017 election Labour voters had voted Leave in the 2016 referendum.

Here is the breakdown of the Brexit vote which does indeed show Conservative support n 2016 voted to Leave, 61% to 39%. Labour voters in 2016 (65%) and Liberal Democrats (68%) largely voted for Remain but significant minorities went for Leave.

A large number of Conservative voters in 2016 had switched their support to Labour by 2017 as the Tories lost more and more popular support witnessed by the reduced majority of Theresa May.

But a far bigger differentiator than political leaning was education with 70% of voters whose educational attainment is only GCSE or lower voted to Leave, while 68% of voters with a university degree voted to Remain in the EU.

According to analysis I've read:

Those voters who backed staying in the EU tended to be socially liberal (60 per cent), believed in feminism (62 per cent), and saw multiculturalism (71 per cent), immigration (79 per cent) and globalisation (62 per cent) as 'forces for good'.

Those backing Leave believed the following were 'forces for ill': social liberalism (74 per cent), feminism (74 per cent), multiculturalism (81 per cent), and globalisation (69 per cent).
https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/news/article/brexit-referendum-voting-analysis

74% of Leave voters thought social liberalism is a force for evil. Imagine that. A very emotional way of looking at things; evil.

EdithStourton · 05/01/2025 00:55

username299 · 05/01/2025 00:29

According to analysis I've read:

Those voters who backed staying in the EU tended to be socially liberal (60 per cent), believed in feminism (62 per cent), and saw multiculturalism (71 per cent), immigration (79 per cent) and globalisation (62 per cent) as 'forces for good'.

Those backing Leave believed the following were 'forces for ill': social liberalism (74 per cent), feminism (74 per cent), multiculturalism (81 per cent), and globalisation (69 per cent).
https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/news/article/brexit-referendum-voting-analysis

74% of Leave voters thought social liberalism is a force for evil. Imagine that. A very emotional way of looking at things; evil.

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You're misquoting.
The article you quote says 'force for ill' not 'force for evil'.

Nordione1 · 05/01/2025 08:45

1dayatatime · 05/01/2025 00:14

@username299

"Brexit was very emotionally driven; people arguing till they were blue in the face. Mostly nonsense but they were very passionate about it."

You seem to think that voting for Brexit was purely a right wing thing, whereas 68% of the 2017 election Labour voters had voted Leave in the 2016 referendum.

Here is the breakdown of the Brexit vote which does indeed show Conservative support n 2016 voted to Leave, 61% to 39%. Labour voters in 2016 (65%) and Liberal Democrats (68%) largely voted for Remain but significant minorities went for Leave.

A large number of Conservative voters in 2016 had switched their support to Labour by 2017 as the Tories lost more and more popular support witnessed by the reduced majority of Theresa May.

But a far bigger differentiator than political leaning was education with 70% of voters whose educational attainment is only GCSE or lower voted to Leave, while 68% of voters with a university degree voted to Remain in the EU.

Part of the explanation for the difference in education (degree/no degree) between Remain and Leave is due to the age of the voter. Significantly more people go to university these days despite the degrees often being crap. In the 90s only 10% roughly of school leavers went to university. So I'm not sure how useful a metric it is. The age of the voter is definitely useful as more young people vote Labour although that will probably change over the next few years.

1dayatatime · 05/01/2025 09:17

@Nordione1

Yes the breakdown of the Brexit vote is complex, but it was in part driven by fear of mass immigration as it coincided with large numbers of migrants making their way across Europe. As it happened there was mass immigration into the UK anyway.

Personally I voted remain simply because I didn't want to be poorer or my children poorer or the economy worse off and that's it.

MarkWithaC · 05/01/2025 17:24

NeverDropYourMooncup · 04/01/2025 19:49

I'll answer on medical appointments. Interesting how you chose to phrase this as 'white people' as though they are the only ones who matter.

Who needs the fastest access to assessment, diagnosis and treatment in terms of overall risk of severity, infectious potential, progression and potential cost benefits - somebody like my mother who will ignore any 'you need to keep your blood sugars down and it would help the pain in your feet if you were to lose three stone' as nonsense - or somebody who hasn't had access to childhood vaccinations, has been consistently malnourished, might have undergone torture, hasn't seen a doctor since childhood, has been living in conditions with inadequate nutrition, clean water or sewerage provision with a group of others from similar places where some have been ill for weeks or months, is unable to access a GP due to a lack of passport/lack of fluent English and is afraid that if they seek help for coughing up blood they'll either be charged thousands or be deported to a camp halfway across the world?

It's not just humanitarian to give access to medical services to people with potentially undiagnosed and untreated disease, it's better for the community in terms of finding and preventing outbreaks of disease and a damn sight cheaper than refusing it and then having to deal with a wider problem.

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Not sure you're talking to the right poster?
I was asking Getmeonaflight, who said, 'Yes..its all over the news..the rape of white [my bold] girls ignored because of who they were'

I do not agree with that poster's assertion that 'white people face discrimination in uk'.

JRSKSSBH · 06/01/2025 00:26

NeverDropYourMooncup · 04/01/2025 19:49

I'll answer on medical appointments. Interesting how you chose to phrase this as 'white people' as though they are the only ones who matter.

Who needs the fastest access to assessment, diagnosis and treatment in terms of overall risk of severity, infectious potential, progression and potential cost benefits - somebody like my mother who will ignore any 'you need to keep your blood sugars down and it would help the pain in your feet if you were to lose three stone' as nonsense - or somebody who hasn't had access to childhood vaccinations, has been consistently malnourished, might have undergone torture, hasn't seen a doctor since childhood, has been living in conditions with inadequate nutrition, clean water or sewerage provision with a group of others from similar places where some have been ill for weeks or months, is unable to access a GP due to a lack of passport/lack of fluent English and is afraid that if they seek help for coughing up blood they'll either be charged thousands or be deported to a camp halfway across the world?

It's not just humanitarian to give access to medical services to people with potentially undiagnosed and untreated disease, it's better for the community in terms of finding and preventing outbreaks of disease and a damn sight cheaper than refusing it and then having to deal with a wider problem.

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Right so the people who fund the medical services don’t get medical treatment easily or quickly, but an individual here illegally gets to the front of the queue? How sustainable do you think that is? Economically and politically? We may as well call the nhs what it has become the International Health Service.

BlueSilverCats · 06/01/2025 07:37

Many Inclusion Health (IH) patients struggle to attend A&E due to the long delays waiting to be seen, which can often trigger withdrawal symptoms and other issues. To combat this, the IH team at University College London Hospitals (UCLH) have set up the 987 initiative, so-called because email referrals should have '987' in the subject line to make it easier to find them.
987 is a route for patients to attend University College Hospital (UCH) and have an A&E level of access to tests/treatments, but without the prolonged waits and other problems associated with attending A&E spontaneously.
If you have an IH patient that you feel needs urgent (though not emergency) assessment, you can contact Dr James Norman and team directly, who can arrange attendance to UCH's ambulatory emergency care (AEC) departmentss_ for investigations and a Holistic Inclusion Health Patient Assessment (HIPA).
Please note: This is a planned attendance and must be arranged by the UCH team and a time agreed with the referrer. To access 987, contact Dr Norman directly on the numbers below while also completing the referral form (attached). Dr Norman and team will then book the patient into AEC and confirm the time and date with you (the referrer) for the patient to attend.
On the day, the patient attends A&E at UCH but is directed to AEC rather than the main reception area. In AEC they're quickly seen by the AEC nurses (usually within 15 minutes) who perform the requested blood tests and other simple assessments, before contacting Dr Norman who then sees the patient and performs a more thorough evaluation, with a particular focus on the acute issue. From there, Dr Norman can arrange same day tests, if possible, or even admission if necessary.
To learn more about this initiative, contact Dr Norman, IH consultant at UCLH directly (see Service Feedback).

Eligibility Criteria
INCLUSIONS
IH patients, meaning over 18s who:
• are homeless
• use, or have used, class A drugs
• are on methadone/buprenorphine
• struggle with persistent alcohol misuse
• are undocumented migrants
• have other issues that mean they may have been excluded from good quality healthcare in the past.

BlueSilverCats · 06/01/2025 07:38

Not exactly what the headlines are making it to be.

Getmeonaflight · 06/01/2025 09:56

MarkWithaC · 05/01/2025 17:24

Not sure you're talking to the right poster?
I was asking Getmeonaflight, who said, 'Yes..its all over the news..the rape of white [my bold] girls ignored because of who they were'

I do not agree with that poster's assertion that 'white people face discrimination in uk'.

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And there is the heart of the problem

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 06/01/2025 12:47

NeverDropYourMooncup · 04/01/2025 19:49

I'll answer on medical appointments. Interesting how you chose to phrase this as 'white people' as though they are the only ones who matter.

Who needs the fastest access to assessment, diagnosis and treatment in terms of overall risk of severity, infectious potential, progression and potential cost benefits - somebody like my mother who will ignore any 'you need to keep your blood sugars down and it would help the pain in your feet if you were to lose three stone' as nonsense - or somebody who hasn't had access to childhood vaccinations, has been consistently malnourished, might have undergone torture, hasn't seen a doctor since childhood, has been living in conditions with inadequate nutrition, clean water or sewerage provision with a group of others from similar places where some have been ill for weeks or months, is unable to access a GP due to a lack of passport/lack of fluent English and is afraid that if they seek help for coughing up blood they'll either be charged thousands or be deported to a camp halfway across the world?

It's not just humanitarian to give access to medical services to people with potentially undiagnosed and untreated disease, it's better for the community in terms of finding and preventing outbreaks of disease and a damn sight cheaper than refusing it and then having to deal with a wider problem.

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This is ridiculous.

So, because you think your mum won’t follow medical advice then everybody else’s mother will need to wait for hours while people who are here illegally, and the article mentions refused asylum seekers as well, go right to the top of the queue?

Luciev · 07/01/2025 17:12

genesis92 · 03/01/2025 16:13

Cause I'm far right if so then!

Genuinely interested to hear what people consider as being "far right". I put it in quotation marks cause the term is so over-used incorrectly, it's actually lost all meaning.

I think managed migration is a good thing. Skilled people contributing to society. Uncontrolled migration is a bad thing - we will end up as the world dumpster if we don’t mange it better.

Maddy70 · 11/01/2025 01:54

This current government are going an excellent job of controlling illegal immigration not that the main street news are reporting it
www.threads.net/@kayc1773/post/DEoAecTohNS?xmt=AQGzXf_RXXOz3r35MpO-XTej1XL02K3SsyMDTHK4_dVXtA