So does "far right" mean you're concerned about the impacts of mass immigration?

[genesis92]

Cause I'm far right if so then!

Genuinely interested to hear what people consider as being "far right". I put it in quotation marks cause the term is so over-used incorrectly, it's actually lost all meaning.

I was rather thinking of Starmer taking responsibility and doing the honourable thing. Silly me. It's Labour.

@Nordione1

Presumably he did stop the prosecutions.

Proof or source for this? I backed my argument with facts. Do you have any facts or just opinion?

It’s politics. What PM ever resigned unless they lost the backing of their party? I can only think of Harold Wilson.

You may not like this man, but to suspend all logic or grip on the political process doesn’t work either.

In the context of migration, I think people are unaware of just how low the standard is.

It's not about chemistry at Oxford vs history at a redbrick. It's both of those vs "foundational business studies" at the University of Zone 5 which has never failed a single person and doesn't mark attendance.

Likewise with work visas it's not about an accountant vs a plumber, it's both of those vs a convenience store worker who's a cousin of the owner.

I personally think the cultural impact of mass migration is the biggest reason for caution (disclaimer: I am an immigrant from a culturally similar country to the UK and have British ancestry). But the argument for so long has been that the economic benefits justify the cultural costs, and it's important to be clear that in many cases the economic impact is actually a cost too.

The prosecutions were stopped. He was responsible as head of the body making the decisions. I know he's a slippery little customer though so it will be interesting to see how he wriggles out of it like he's done in the past. Let's wait and reserve our judgement and see if he agrees to an investigation into decision making on this.

But you have not reserved your judgment!

Aww you're the right kind of immigrant. Well done you.

As one who was the wrong kind for a long time , as the media made it so, I bow down to your superiority.

He will have to resign eventually. There's no.way he's leading labour into the next election. He's been an utter disaster and it may well be a good excuse for the party to get rid of him. Very sadly I think he will be unable to deal with the civil unrest that I fear will come re this and the truth about the terrorist that started the last riots off. He's clearly unsuited for the job of PM in every area. The sooner he goes for the sake of our country the.better. There are presumably still enough decent Labour MPs and trade unionists left who know this.

I think there is so much dodgy dealing and dishonesty that comes as part of this and then money is taken out of the country

There will no right kind of migrant. I did not see that in the riots this year.

The idea there will be is daft. White British it will be, with some associated hangers on who will be rich enough to evade public consequences

Well, I have read a newspaper since July and he's not bathed himself in the glory of honourable and skilled decision making. So hopes aren't high. But let's see if he can surprise everyone.

You raise a pertinent point. In power since July. This government is six months old.

Migration has been an issue for decades. I’m all for having an open debate but to suggest Starmer is uniquely responsible does not bear scrutiny.

I favour much lower levels of migration, and consequently much tougher laws on settlement, visas, social resources. I see a lot of people suffering in the UK. We are a rich country; it doesn’t need to be so unequal.

What honourable thing? He hasn't done anything wrong, you're making stuff up.

I suppose I just find all this profoundly undemocratic.
Do the natives of a country have the right to decide who comes to their country?
Is it within their gift to deny or grant access or is it the migrants choice,or is it the government's decision?

I never thought I'd say it but multiculturalism doesn't seem to have worked.
Nationalism is profoundly unfashionable among the bien-pensant, pointing to centuries of war to back up their point.
Yes, but it's incomplete - we're tribal and territorial.

If international borders are arbitrary lines on a map, we'll sort ourselves into other groups. Slow migration can be assimilated into the culture, we can see that over and over again throughout history.
The vast majority of people have an ingroup bias. That will manifest at international conferences or outside pubs at closing time. I don't think we can simply be educated out of it. It's depressing but maybe we have to face it.

@username299 that poster's agenda has become very clear . As expected, it has nothing to do with CSE.

He has no shame in veering to the right but unfortunately we find increasingly that a majority of the left wing in our circle are intolerant of that, they can make it feel uncomfortable & confrontational, so he sometimes holds back.

Well that's a turn up. It's normally the other way round!

Own your politics. It’s the only way democracy works. You may find it means different company.

Really? I've never experienced that! Even as a trotskist left student all the way through my current position as vaguely centre right I suppose.
It really is the left who are more intolerant. I was myself - youth I suppose but also certainty. Why can't they just SEE!? It's the adage, the right think the left are wrong, but the left think the right are evil.
Head & heart I suppose - you need both

We were at school event recently where a group of about 10 parents had gathered and were sat around a table catching up. One couple pointedly chose to sit separately, alone on a separate table as they count themselves as left wing/liberal and one of the parents from the main group is a journalist associated with a right leaning newspaper…
The irony.

Honestly how can you care about people like that? Why would you want their company?

@username299

"Brexit was created by people who wanted to get rid off immigrants. And to say that the far right didn't support Brexit is surely in jest. They didn't consider the glaring fact that immigrants would simply come from outside the EU. "

Brexit was created by people who believed a bullshit story about how the EU needs us more than we need them and that we could select all the bits we want and to ignore the bits we don't like. Also it attracted people who liked simple slogans like "take back control ".

That's true for now but give it another couple of years with weaker economic data and some drubbings in local elections and by elections and the Labour Party will get restless. My hunch is that the Labour Party members will decide the reason for their falling support is that they are not left wing enough and will want someone much more left wing for the 2029 election.

@1Week

"It's the adage, the right think the left are wrong, but the left think the right are evil.
Head & heart I suppose - you need both"

Or another adage "if you vote right then you have no heart but if you vote left you have no brain"

Left wing politics is very emotionally driven and views that for every winner there must be a loser or an oppressor and the oppressed or the bourgeois and the proletariat.

For example they cannot comprehend that it is in everyone's to actually grow the economy.

Right wing politics is very emotionally driven. The right wing were throwing bricks at the police last year and yet again are very riled up by social media.

Brexit was very emotionally driven; people arguing till they were blue in the face. Mostly nonsense but they were very passionate about it.

It's not difficult to get them jumping up and down.