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So does "far right" mean you're concerned about the impacts of mass immigration?

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genesis92 · 03/01/2025 16:13

Cause I'm far right if so then!

Genuinely interested to hear what people consider as being "far right". I put it in quotation marks cause the term is so over-used incorrectly, it's actually lost all meaning.

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Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 10:44

username299 · 04/01/2025 10:40

There have already been several investigations into the abuse as well as a child abuse enquiry in 2022.

It's too simplistic to view the abuse as being ignored because the majority of perpetrators were Muslim. Those girls were dismissed out of hand because they had no power.

Misogyny and classism meant they went ignored. There were also concerns about racial tension. The crux of the issue is people not doing their jobs and the point of reports are to examine why people didn't do their jobs and put strategies in place to prevent it happening again.

There is obviously nuance about why the girls were ignored and quite possibly the police weighed up the dangers of being accused of Islamophobia compared to ignoring white working class victims and came down on the side of "community cohesion". As always.

BlueSilverCats · 04/01/2025 10:45

White working class people don't matter to large parts of the establishment.

There's definitely a hierarchy of mattering. Not necessarily race based, but more lack of power and prejudice based.

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 10:48

BlueSilverCats · 04/01/2025 10:45

White working class people don't matter to large parts of the establishment.

There's definitely a hierarchy of mattering. Not necessarily race based, but more lack of power and prejudice based.

It's terribly terribly sad. That's why I actually think Elon Musk championing this and being such a loud voice could be a good thing. Or backfire. Who knows what is going to happen with this.

username299 · 04/01/2025 10:48

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 10:44

There is obviously nuance about why the girls were ignored and quite possibly the police weighed up the dangers of being accused of Islamophobia compared to ignoring white working class victims and came down on the side of "community cohesion". As always.

It was obvious from the reports what the police thought of the girls. Let's just say that if the parents of the girls were middle class, they would have been taken seriously.

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 10:49

username299 · 04/01/2025 10:48

It was obvious from the reports what the police thought of the girls. Let's just say that if the parents of the girls were middle class, they would have been taken seriously.

Easy targets.

BlueSilverCats · 04/01/2025 10:54

@Nordione1 it's absolute bullshit , for one thing only. There are hundreds of thousands of children in the US going through the same thing(demographics might vary, but that shouldn't matter right?)right now, but not a peep about that from Musk. Not one. If he cares so much why not at least try to highlight that (at any point in time) ? It would be perfect timing right now, really. But that doesn't suit the agenda. Because the agenda is not these girls, it's not justice, it's not solutions, the agenda is interfering in UK politics.

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 10:56

BlueSilverCats · 04/01/2025 10:54

@Nordione1 it's absolute bullshit , for one thing only. There are hundreds of thousands of children in the US going through the same thing(demographics might vary, but that shouldn't matter right?)right now, but not a peep about that from Musk. Not one. If he cares so much why not at least try to highlight that (at any point in time) ? It would be perfect timing right now, really. But that doesn't suit the agenda. Because the agenda is not these girls, it's not justice, it's not solutions, the agenda is interfering in UK politics.

It may be his intention but the effect is that it's getting a good airing, perhaps more so than it would otherwise have done. That's good for the country.

username299 · 04/01/2025 10:58

BlueSilverCats · 04/01/2025 10:54

@Nordione1 it's absolute bullshit , for one thing only. There are hundreds of thousands of children in the US going through the same thing(demographics might vary, but that shouldn't matter right?)right now, but not a peep about that from Musk. Not one. If he cares so much why not at least try to highlight that (at any point in time) ? It would be perfect timing right now, really. But that doesn't suit the agenda. Because the agenda is not these girls, it's not justice, it's not solutions, the agenda is interfering in UK politics.

The US has child marriage and four states have no minimum age. Why isn't Musk causing a stir about that?

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 11:03

username299 · 04/01/2025 10:58

The US has child marriage and four states have no minimum age. Why isn't Musk causing a stir about that?

It's incredibly sad but not relevant here. I'm not interested in Elon Musk's agenda or views about child marriage or what he does in the US. I'm interested in the effect his actions (irrelevant of his own motive) has on highlighting this current issue about Asian grooming gangs in the UK.

BlueSilverCats · 04/01/2025 11:11

@Nordione1 I honestly don't think it's good for the country. Because , While people are arguing, attempts at destabilising the government are being done, and what not, nothing practical is actually being done.

There was already a review done in 2022 , findings published, recommendations made and not acted on.

Even if another review was commissioned, which would set a terrible precedent in my view, it would again take years, cost millions, and the findings would be very similar to previous ones.

What I would like to see is action being taken , recommendations being implemented and policy changed NOW,in the next year(s), on reports already done. Because all the failings have already been highlighted, we don't need another year or two for another paper to say more of the same thing, and then look at changing things.

Hope this makes sense.

username299 · 04/01/2025 11:12

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 11:03

It's incredibly sad but not relevant here. I'm not interested in Elon Musk's agenda or views about child marriage or what he does in the US. I'm interested in the effect his actions (irrelevant of his own motive) has on highlighting this current issue about Asian grooming gangs in the UK.

The grooming gangs issue has been dealt with in that there have been several reports, investigations and incarcerations. Sunak put a grooming gangs unit in place specifically to deal with it. To suggest nothing has been done is wrong.

You should be concerned with his agenda. He's not concerned about child abuse in the States but is demanding the prime minister of the UK resigns and an MP goes to prison.

Asian grooming gangs are a pet project of Robinson and other far right goons and Musk is supporting him. He is also supporting the far right in Germany.

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 11:15

username299 · 04/01/2025 11:12

The grooming gangs issue has been dealt with in that there have been several reports, investigations and incarcerations. Sunak put a grooming gangs unit in place specifically to deal with it. To suggest nothing has been done is wrong.

You should be concerned with his agenda. He's not concerned about child abuse in the States but is demanding the prime minister of the UK resigns and an MP goes to prison.

Asian grooming gangs are a pet project of Robinson and other far right goons and Musk is supporting him. He is also supporting the far right in Germany.

Yes agreed. As I mentioned earlier in the thread re Elon Musk.and Tommy Robinson. But there's reasons this has all kicked off again which can only be good as apparently the grooming is still happening. Publicity can (hopefully) be a good thing.

SallyWD · 04/01/2025 11:19

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 11:03

It's incredibly sad but not relevant here. I'm not interested in Elon Musk's agenda or views about child marriage or what he does in the US. I'm interested in the effect his actions (irrelevant of his own motive) has on highlighting this current issue about Asian grooming gangs in the UK.

But it's been headline news on and off for many years. I don't think Musk is bringing any new awareness to the issue. Everyone is already aware of what happened and finds it abhorrent. It would actually go so far as to say it's one of the most talked about and reported issues of the last decade.
Musk is publicly supporting Tommy Robinson who has made blatantly untrue and hateful claims against Muslims. Tommy has publically said that Islam is a cancer and that "every single Muslim" in the country "got away" with the 7/7 bombings. He once encouraged people to 'burn the mosques".
Do you really not see any of this as problematic? Innocent Muslims I know are getting attacked and verbally abused in the street because of this.

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 11:20

BlueSilverCats · 04/01/2025 11:11

@Nordione1 I honestly don't think it's good for the country. Because , While people are arguing, attempts at destabilising the government are being done, and what not, nothing practical is actually being done.

There was already a review done in 2022 , findings published, recommendations made and not acted on.

Even if another review was commissioned, which would set a terrible precedent in my view, it would again take years, cost millions, and the findings would be very similar to previous ones.

What I would like to see is action being taken , recommendations being implemented and policy changed NOW,in the next year(s), on reports already done. Because all the failings have already been highlighted, we don't need another year or two for another paper to say more of the same thing, and then look at changing things.

Hope this makes sense.

It does make sense but one issue re destabilising the government is the elephant in the room being the PM who stopped prosecutions of the groomers. He needs to be held accountable for that. We can't brush this under the carpet. I don't have a teenage daughter but I can try and empathise at how horrendous it must be for the victims to be failed at such an institutional level and for people to continue to have the fear it might still happen to their own child as Labour are preventing a proper investigation to protect Keir Starmer.

username299 · 04/01/2025 11:26

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 11:20

It does make sense but one issue re destabilising the government is the elephant in the room being the PM who stopped prosecutions of the groomers. He needs to be held accountable for that. We can't brush this under the carpet. I don't have a teenage daughter but I can try and empathise at how horrendous it must be for the victims to be failed at such an institutional level and for people to continue to have the fear it might still happen to their own child as Labour are preventing a proper investigation to protect Keir Starmer.

Starmer has already spoken about this and said that cases were dropped because of lack of evidence. It's clearly in the reports that the victims were terrified to come forward.

You're just repeating things on social media. There's no evidence that Starmer prevented prosecutions or that Labour are preventing a proper investigation.

The Tories also refused a national enquiry saying that it was for the individual councils to investigate. I think there have already been six reports and a national child abuse enquiry.

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 11:28

SallyWD · 04/01/2025 11:19

But it's been headline news on and off for many years. I don't think Musk is bringing any new awareness to the issue. Everyone is already aware of what happened and finds it abhorrent. It would actually go so far as to say it's one of the most talked about and reported issues of the last decade.
Musk is publicly supporting Tommy Robinson who has made blatantly untrue and hateful claims against Muslims. Tommy has publically said that Islam is a cancer and that "every single Muslim" in the country "got away" with the 7/7 bombings. He once encouraged people to 'burn the mosques".
Do you really not see any of this as problematic? Innocent Muslims I know are getting attacked and verbally abused in the street because of this.

That I do think is terrible yes. And will get worse. As I've said before, Keir needs to act fast. He could take responsibility and resign.

I think Elon Musk's has brought this issue which has, as you say, been rumbling on in this country for years, to international prominence.

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 11:29

username299 · 04/01/2025 11:26

Starmer has already spoken about this and said that cases were dropped because of lack of evidence. It's clearly in the reports that the victims were terrified to come forward.

You're just repeating things on social media. There's no evidence that Starmer prevented prosecutions or that Labour are preventing a proper investigation.

The Tories also refused a national enquiry saying that it was for the individual councils to investigate. I think there have already been six reports and a national child abuse enquiry.

Well it's clearly not good enough.as it's kicked off again.

BlueSilverCats · 04/01/2025 11:30

It's incredibly sad but not relevant here. I'm not interested in Elon Musk's agenda or views about child marriage or what he does in the US. I'm interested in the effect his actions (irrelevant of his own motive) has on highlighting this current issue about Asian grooming gangs in the UK.

I think this is the main difference between us. Intent matters to me. Using these girls and their abuse and trauma for his own interests and agenda , can never be a good thing. It's still another powerful man using them for his own gain.

username299 · 04/01/2025 11:30

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 11:29

Well it's clearly not good enough.as it's kicked off again.

It's kicked off because the far right are stirring the pot. The richest man in the world has decided that he wants the UK PM to resign. He's supporting Farage.

SallyWD · 04/01/2025 11:33

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 11:28

That I do think is terrible yes. And will get worse. As I've said before, Keir needs to act fast. He could take responsibility and resign.

I think Elon Musk's has brought this issue which has, as you say, been rumbling on in this country for years, to international prominence.

There is absolutely no reason for Keir Starmer to resign. He needs to be allowed to do his job without right wing billionaires trying to destabilise this country.
I'm going to hide this thread now because it's making me agitated and spoiling my Saturday morning peace.

BlueSilverCats · 04/01/2025 11:39

@Nordione1 if you’re willing to read and listen ....

Concerns about the abuse of underage girls by members of minority communities in towns in Yorkshire, Lancashire, Greater Manchester and some Midlands counties first surfaced in 20022**, when they were raised by the then-Labour MP for Keighley, Ann Cryer.
Subsequent reportss and investigationss**confirmed that some people believed “a fear of being labelled ‘racist’ had hindered the ability of official agencies to combat the grooming and sexual exploitation”.
However, Mr Starmer did not become director of public prosecutions and head of the CPS until 1 November 20088*
A number of prosecutions involving grooming gangs were taking place around the time Mr Starmer took up his new post.
In the first of a series of articles exposing the grooming gangs scandal, published in January 2011, The Timess* identified 17 grooming gang prosecutions dating back to 1997. Of the 17 cases, 14 had taken place since 2008, the year Mr Starmer became the director of public prosecutions.
“In total, 56 people, with an average age of 28, were found guilty of crimes including rape, child abduction, indecent assault and sex with a child. Three of the 56 were white, 53 were Asian. Of those 50 were Muslim and a majority were members of the British Pakistani community,” the newspaper reported. *
*
Mr Starmer was the head of the CPS in 2009, when a key decision not to prosecute a case in Rochdale was takenn.

According to evidence given to the Home Affairs Committeee**, the decision was based on CPS guidelines of the time which suggested a jury might see victims as unreliable if they had come forward some time after the offence, if they had deviated or changed their accounts, made use of drink or drugs or had subsequently gone back to the perpetrator. As a result, such cases were thought not to have a realistic prospect of achieving a conviction.
In 2011, Nazir Afzall, who at the time was director of prosecutions in London, was made chief prosecutor for the north west. He subsequently overturned the 2009 decision and a total of nine menn** were later convicted.
In a recent intervieww* Mr Afzal recalled: “The only way we could bring that case was to admit that we had failed these victims when they had first made a complaint in 2008. Keir was 100% behind the decision to publicly admit that we had got it wrong in the past.”
Following these convictions, Mr Starmer appointed Mr Afzall as the head of a newly formed national network of specialist prosecutors for child abuse and sexual exploitation. Mr Afzal went on to oversee numerous convictions against other grooming gangs.

An independent reportt* into child sexual abuse in Rotherham, published in 2014, noted that prior to leaving the CPS, Mr Starmer had established a new set of guideliness* around the prosecution of child sexual exploitation to prevent earlier mistakes from being repeated.

Has he not done enough? Sure, I can agree with that. No one did. Deliberately blocking prosecution of Asian rape gangs specifically? No.

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 11:40

I know this is the Spectator and Douglas Murray who as a centre right commentator probably is on many of your blacklists but in this case I (personally) think he is talking sense and is providing balance and clarity so perhaps don't dismiss him out of hand? As an alternative viewpoint which deals comprehensively with many of the points raised in this thread.

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OneAmberFinch · 04/01/2025 11:50

I don't really care about being called far right, same as I don't care about being called a fascist TERF.

Immigration is clearly unsustainable in all categories.

Work visas going to convenience store workers and takeaway shop managers.

Study visas going to "business college" students who don't go to class and just do deliveroo anyway.

Refugee visas going to anyone who shows up on a boat and "lost" their documents.

Family visas going to cousins of people from patriarchal, radically conservative societies who came via the previous routes.

And that's just the people on visas - ignoring all the overstayers in the grey economy doing gig work on borrowed accounts.

I'm an immigrant myself but the benefits Britain is getting from immigration aren't outweighing the costs.

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 11:50

SallyWD · 04/01/2025 11:33

There is absolutely no reason for Keir Starmer to resign. He needs to be allowed to do his job without right wing billionaires trying to destabilise this country.
I'm going to hide this thread now because it's making me agitated and spoiling my Saturday morning peace.

Yes it's hugely distressing. Not nice to think about for anyone but there we are.

JRSKSSBH · 04/01/2025 11:55

BlueSilverCats · 04/01/2025 10:54

@Nordione1 it's absolute bullshit , for one thing only. There are hundreds of thousands of children in the US going through the same thing(demographics might vary, but that shouldn't matter right?)right now, but not a peep about that from Musk. Not one. If he cares so much why not at least try to highlight that (at any point in time) ? It would be perfect timing right now, really. But that doesn't suit the agenda. Because the agenda is not these girls, it's not justice, it's not solutions, the agenda is interfering in UK politics.

Just as the Labour Party meddled in the US elections.