Angry at scrapping of 2 child limit

[BearBuggy]

I know there are a few families that find themselves in rotten circumstances and this isn’t aimed at them . However I live in an area where having children to continue to receive benefits was the norm and only now the cap is in place has that stopped.

The Scottish government has now announced it will be scrapped. I am so angry I’m paying towards people breeding children they can’t afford. I didn’t vote SNp this time because of this, as did many of my friends. They lost heavily in my area but still seem to not care what the tax payer is saying.

Umm low income households have the largest number of children. The highest proportion of households with 3 or more children are those households with the lowest income levels.

43% of families with 3 or more children are low income households.

I would love to be able to afford 3 kids.

Having read more into it the 2026 timing seems quite relevant and there is a good chance SNP won’t be able to follow through as Labour will gain power in Scotland. Here’s hoping.

I really don’t agree with what you have said about YOU paying for them. No you aren’t. Did you receive any extra money when there was a limit?

I agree that there are parents that don’t use the money for their children - this needs addressing of course . To me, this is a neglect issue.

But , child poverty is at an all time high. If giving more money isn’t the answer , what is ?

I think people also need to get rid of this view that people have children to get benefits . Yes , sadly some do ( why, I don’t know - you don’t get a lot) but you also have to think of those that find themselves in dire situations through no fault of their own.

I am a 2 income household . Both with good jobs . My husband had an accident that put us in the most awful financial situation . No sick pay , no support- just down to a part time wage for me ( as he was injured to the point I had to care for him ) . It broke us . Savings gone , masses of debt. Just when we were starting to get to a point where we could begin to tackle debt and save - literally just as we could start - his condition worsened and he now needs a hip replacement so we have a few months again in that situation .

We didn’t intend to be on benefits, but during that time and now , we will be relying on them to keep our home . I do only have 2 children , but if i had more that I didn’t get any money for I honestly don’t know how we would cope.

I would support any measures that ensured all animals in Britain are, where possible, given the optimum conditions for breeding healthy offspring.

The cap doesn’t apply to those who conceive twins

Yeah, it'll be great if some of the poorest families in Scotland have a wee bit of hope torn away by an election result 👏

Higher earners may not be able to have more children. Dh and I both worked in financial services/tech and we conceived after 9 years of unprotected sex while dh was on sick leave for burnout (he works for an investment bank) and I had just been made redundant (but had a decent payout). I do think there is a close relationship between stress and fertility.

People are also having children later and it's not always financial. The opportunity cost of having children is much higher for higher earners, it may mean a loss of promotion for a woman due to maternity leave which for a higher earner might be loss of tens or even hundreds of thousand of quid of income over the year. Not being able to go abroad every week (dh and I had a year where we went on 18 holidays, nigh impossible with a baby). Having to move out to the suburbs possibly for a bigger home and then held hostage by rail delays (and possibly shelling out for a nanny which would puta dent even in a high wage due to said rail delays). And if you are FIRE, having children delays retirement by 10 years. Actually having children is pretty unattractive for richer people (other than aristocrats) and it has less to do with government support but more to do with the opportunities having more money gives you.

However if u are already poor I can see why having children is attractive cos if you can't afford to go out, you can still cuddle them. Having children isn't a crime and the state should support women who have children given it is hardly an attractive proposition. I don't want more than 1.

@BearBuggy how on earth can you claim to know this? How do you know what their parents do? How do you know they are hungry? What the heck has monster drink got to do with anything? I agree you might be able to observe whether they have a jacket on but frankly the rest of this is just prejudice

They don't have any of OUR money left!! they've squandered it on quangos/, campaigning/scottish embassies (wtf) and gender confusion among other absolute dross.

I now because I see it. If you haven’t you need to open your eyes to what some parts are like.

Total aside but are you aware nurse pay in scotland is a lot higher than England.

Maybe the mother desperately wants the third child as much as I want a first child.

And yet the PF has found enough evidence to support a charge against Murrell for embezzlement. That's embezzlement without the inverted commas. A crime.

The SNP shills with their move on, move along, nothing to see here are SO obvious.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68850088

Shush!!! This is the "everything is Scotland is shite" thread. Don't go derailing it with facts.

Yes but are taxed more. Give with one hand........

Yes, because the appropriate charge is embezzlement given the supposed offence.

That still doesn't mean there is 600k "missing".

I live in an area where having children to continue to receive benefits was the norm and only now the cap is in place has that stopped.

Curious to know if there is any evidence for this?

Sometimes people get bashed because they deserve it. I know you like to pretend everyone on benefits is just a down on their luck angel but we all know that's not true.
Some people on benefits are victims of bad luck and circumstances who do their best. Some are scroungers who neglect their children, would be er work, and would rather buy weed than food for their kids. 🤷‍♀️

Hi Nic, are you keeping well?😂

Humans are worse than animals, not a little better. Definitely not a lot better.

Pardon?

I don't know what would help with people having more children than they can reasonably afford, but I do know with certainty that there are many combined factors that benefit restrictions alone will not solve.

If they did, I'd not work with multiple families on No Recourse to Public Funds who are on baby 4+. Those families struggle but it doesn't change the frequency of pregnancy announcements. Nor did the benefit cap stop some of our families from having baby number 3 (or 7, 9, 12...). It just means we give out a lot of free food and clothes, funded by staff and charitable donations.

I'd like to see more kids fed and appropriately dressed for weather. I'd like to have fewer kids telling me their Mam's run out of food money. I'd like to not feed multiple kids (free) breakfast every day at school. I'd like to not have to discreetly provide winter coats and shoes from our stash. To not have to swap and wash uniforms for those with no laundry access at home. I'd really like to never have to find a kid somewhere to fucking sleep, because their 3rd hostel in 3 weeks is carnage at night and they couldn't sleep between 12-4am, or their family of 5 lives in one room in a shared house, so the poor wee sods are literally falling asleep mid lesson.

I also know that my own mam spent every penny of the benefit money she got on drugs with me getting nothing at all. Deprived kids can't always be rescued from everything with extra cash to parents either. I would still have been starving and shoeless - my mam would have just been more shitfaced.

I don't know what would be the best solution. I know I never want to see another kid cry because they hate the school holidays and they're scared. I DO know that I will see that a lot over the next fortnight and our pastoral workers will be on overdrive... It's shit and I will have nightmares about them, like I do every school holiday. I don't know how the fuck I'd fix it though, so I'll just keep on scooping up the issues as they arise.

Oh sorry, thought you were Sturgeon. My mistake.

Just to add on to your Dh. Women in the workforce have higher levels of infertility problems like pcos than those who are SAH.

Many of them will still be in poverty, sadly, because many of them have irresponsible parents.