Page 24 | Angry at scrapping of 2 child limit

BearBuggy · 2024-12-04T15:42:05+00:00

I know there are a few families that find themselves in rotten circumstances and this isn’t aimed at them . However I live in an area where having children to continue to receive benefits was the norm and only now the cap is in place has that stopped. The Scottish government has now announced it will be scrapped. I am so angry I’m paying towards people breeding children they can’t afford. I didn’t vote SNp this time because of this, as did many of my friends. They lost heavily in my area but still seem to not care what the tax payer is saying.

EasternStandard · 01/06/2025 10:30

StandingSideBySide · 01/06/2025 01:58

Agree with the comments but the figure is
10 million in 24 years not 15years @1dayatatime

Not that it helps though, improvement in infrastructure and services never keeps pace.

I understand we are currently ( recent figures ) growing in the UK by approx 600,000 a year!

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Politically I think this high figure is out. The idea we can keep pace likely isn’t the case. Borrowing is up and taxes.

I don’t think any party will try and sell in high immigration numbers at next GE.

Hysterectomynext · 01/09/2025 21:08

albapunk · 04/12/2024 16:21

I've never understood why people fail to see that there IS many who absolutely relish being on benefits, and many children will not see the extra money as their parents will continue to use it to make poor choices.

I come from a very deprived Scottish town. The roots of poverty run far deeper than any money thrown at it would ever reach. Massive changes in attitude are required, generations of families on benefits needs to be stopped, I know MANY people who have 0 intentions of work and some how find loopholes. Including by having children.

I've been on benefits twice, it was utterly hellish and the hoops I jumped through were ridiculous just to receive a pittance.

We need a robust welfare state as anyone could fall on hard times, but we also need intervention to ensure we have people who want to grow and break these moulds.

Those in genuine need, should always get what they need and I don't think this is what tbe OP was talking about.

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I totally agree with you. And I’ve also seen and experienced similar.

being on benefits is absolutely a way of life for a lot of people. That’s not to say it’s easy but there are people who will have more children to remain on benefits. It’s not bashing people to say this. It’s about poverty of aspiration and also it’s very scary to have to earn enough money to pay rent as a single parent- for example.

I know families where they have had generations of being on benefits and not working and they are not wanting to change this. It’s what they know and what they see around them.

it’s very very difficult to get past that mindset of poverty and living hand to mouth.

MintChocCat · 01/09/2025 21:17

Hysterectomynext · 01/09/2025 21:08

I totally agree with you. And I’ve also seen and experienced similar.

being on benefits is absolutely a way of life for a lot of people. That’s not to say it’s easy but there are people who will have more children to remain on benefits. It’s not bashing people to say this. It’s about poverty of aspiration and also it’s very scary to have to earn enough money to pay rent as a single parent- for example.

I know families where they have had generations of being on benefits and not working and they are not wanting to change this. It’s what they know and what they see around them.

it’s very very difficult to get past that mindset of poverty and living hand to mouth.

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Where do you even begin with breaking that cycle though? It absolutely is a way of life for some people. Many women and families rely on the state to have and provide for their families.

Hysterectomynext · 01/09/2025 21:44

@MintChocCat i really don’t know what the answer is. One problem is the gulf between the haves and the have nots can feel insurmountable.

so for example a single mother wanting to go to university to improve her life chances will be financially penalised. If she tries to get a job she will also lose benefits that can make it seem like it’s not worth it. So staying at home and out of education and work will mean the safety net of benefits will cover the costs of the family’s living expenses.

I think there needs to be more support for those genuinely trapped in this way. More financial incentives for those trying to climb out of poverty.

And maybe more expectations on men to provide for their children. It seems that single parent families can continue to grow- having more children and still claiming as single parents with men pretending not to live in the home. (I know many families who do this). There needs to be an expectation on both parents that they will be providing for their families in the future. I think financial support when babies are young is very important and I am grateful there is a welfare state- but going forward as children grow up I think the support needs to look different

MintChocCat · 01/09/2025 22:19

Hysterectomynext · 01/09/2025 21:44

@MintChocCat i really don’t know what the answer is. One problem is the gulf between the haves and the have nots can feel insurmountable.

so for example a single mother wanting to go to university to improve her life chances will be financially penalised. If she tries to get a job she will also lose benefits that can make it seem like it’s not worth it. So staying at home and out of education and work will mean the safety net of benefits will cover the costs of the family’s living expenses.

I think there needs to be more support for those genuinely trapped in this way. More financial incentives for those trying to climb out of poverty.

And maybe more expectations on men to provide for their children. It seems that single parent families can continue to grow- having more children and still claiming as single parents with men pretending not to live in the home. (I know many families who do this). There needs to be an expectation on both parents that they will be providing for their families in the future. I think financial support when babies are young is very important and I am grateful there is a welfare state- but going forward as children grow up I think the support needs to look different

Very good propositions there.

I, too, would like to see more emphasis on men providing for their offspring! I think it should be an offence to dodge CMS.