Angry at scrapping of 2 child limit

[BearBuggy]

I know there are a few families that find themselves in rotten circumstances and this isn’t aimed at them . However I live in an area where having children to continue to receive benefits was the norm and only now the cap is in place has that stopped.

The Scottish government has now announced it will be scrapped. I am so angry I’m paying towards people breeding children they can’t afford. I didn’t vote SNp this time because of this, as did many of my friends. They lost heavily in my area but still seem to not care what the tax payer is saying.

We’re not actually. Freezing the personal allowance has increased the number of tax payers year on year.

@BIossomtoes

"Our population isn’t increasing, it’s falling"

Factually incorrect:

UK population
• 2000: Estimated population: 57,203,100
• 2010: Estimated population: 63,484,000
• 2022: Estimated population: 67,604,000
• 2023: Estimated population: 68,492,000
• 2024: Estimated population: 69,226,000

That is due to immigration

@30percent

"That is due to immigration"

Yes it is.

But I would view an ever increasing population as a bad thing (environmentally, economically, pressure on infrastructure and quality of life) regardless of whether this increase in population was caused by a high birth rate or high immigration.

Personally I would be in favour of much much lower immigration AND not encouraging a higher birth rate.

@BIossomtoes stated that the UK population was shrinking which is clearly not true.

Agree
Its also worth noting when considering the effect on the environment and resources which my comment originally highlighted
our little island does not stand in isolation of the world.

The increasing population of the world is having a negative impact on the environment and resources available to us and those we share the planet with.
All Countries have a responsibility to look at ways to mitigate this, including not encouraging ( if that’s indeed possible ) more births.

Yes agree it has to be a global reduction.

If we keep going up regardless due to pensions and we must have higher births then there are likely less stable ways to reduce coming up.

The optimum population of Great Britain is approximately 3 million. We have gone far beyond that number.

That’s interesting and very worrying at the same time
Where does that 3 million figure come from Oona

Can those who want higher birth rate for pensions be sure there will be the jobs in twenty or so years to tax anyway

Read the AI replacing thread, it could be many more millions needing unemployment support instead.

Given that it was 10 million in 1880 I find that highly unlikely. Where did you get that gem from?

Perhaps it's bashing the selfish lazy grown arse adults who don't bother to have protected sex thereby spawning kids they can't afford to parent.

I respect your bravery Whackamole.

Have you prepared for incoming

Agree that’s a really low figure

There’s very little stats available and Migration watch even state very little done anyway

Ive found this from 2011 which states a possible figure of 70 million being bandied about. No intel on how that figure came about though
So based on current population and growth it looks like we’ll have reached that sometime next year

Uk pop stats

I know, head is wedged firmly between knees pending .....

which bit of too many people on the planet don't you get? doesn't matter where they come from.

People = too many

Lol ? All I said was "that is because of immigration" in response to someone saying the UK population had increased.

(Key word being UK) Try not to shit yourself too much

It’s very quiet though don’t you think Whacka ( I’ve been waiting too 🤣🤣). Perhaps later when the bottles are cracked open 🍷

Completely right!

The interesting point on this graph is that the UK population has increased by 10 million (or roughly a London) in the last 15 years.

Unfortunately infrastructure and services have not kept pace with this population growth.

So if you are wondering why housing is so expensive or why roads are congested or why stuff like sewage/ water supply does work or why things take longer like A&E or judicial system or basically why life in the UK seems to be getting worse then the simple answer is that the population has grown too much and too fast.

The simple answer is that for those 15 years we have had a government that has spent nothing on infrastructure, under invested in services and focussed on the upward transfer of wealth. It’s allowed privatised utilities like Thames Water and the rail companies to suck money out of the economy while presiding over failure.

Agree with the comments but the figure is
10 million in 24 years not 15years @1dayatatime

Not that it helps though, improvement in infrastructure and services never keeps pace.

I understand we are currently ( recent figures ) growing in the UK by approx 600,000 a year!

@BIossomtoes

"The simple answer is that for those 15 years we have had a government that has spent nothing on infrastructure, under invested in services "

I don't disagree that there has been under investment in infrastructure and services. But it's a bit more complicated than the default " let's blame the Tories " argument. It's also worth noting that the current Labour government is equally not investing enough in infrastructure and services but I'm sure that somehow that's the Tories fault as well.

Firstly in a democracy with five year political terms investing in something that voters see as quite dull such as a new road or a new sewerage main which the benefits are incrementally shown over say 30 years doesn't win as many votes as say a pay rise for nurses and junior doctors or scrapping the 2 child limit on child benefit.

Secondly major building projects in the UK take longer than pretty much any other country in the world due to restrictive planning laws, environmental regulations and legal objections. Just look at Hinkley power station or the A465 road in Wales

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpvkdvrm1wpo.amp

Lastly even if there was a will and a way there it would have been completely impossible from a resources and labour standpoint to keep pace with the population increase.

The current government has been in power less than a year so it’s rather early to judge. It has, however, begun to renationalise the railways and plans are in train for two new reservoirs - the first for 30 years. It’s also addressing your second point and simplifying the planning process.

The fact remains that for 15 years we had a government that sat on its hands and did nothing to improve lives in this country, despite empty promises of “levelling up”.

Your last point makes no sense. An additional 10 million people increases the resources available through taxation and enlarges the pool of available labour. Before Brexit immigration was economically positive.

I agree with this.
I am mid 30s. Held off having children until in a good financial and career position. Why should I fund those who are irresponsibly popping them out and draining resources? It’s so unfair to people like us.